Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[sidsid]

Lol.

Well if we were the Lakers, yes, it would have a chance

Edit: how about Luka for Giannis.

Legitimately the Cavs should do this for their Garland/Allen package. They wont get Giannis for it and AD provides more shooting to work with Mobley. Fixing the main problems on both ends. They'll get a SF in that deal, too.

The Mavs just reroute Allen somewhere else and sell Kyrie to the highest bidder.

Do you guys even try to use logic in these trades or just pull them out the ass? Why would the Mavs give up Davis for Garland and Allen when they just gave up a superstar player to get Davis not to mention they already have Lively and Gafford in the front court and a PG that is a million times better than Garland

Well the Luka trade was a historically awful decision. Can't make decisions around sunk costs. This upcoming offseason is likely to see the Spurs make a jump in contender rankings and the Thunder will just be 1 year more experienced. The Mavs are not contending for anything.

The Flagg draft just gave them a lifeline to pivot to youth and wash themselves of that disaster trade.

The Mavs manager Nico or what's his name said their roster is set to compete. They will not break the team apart for tanking, imo.

They surely wanted to pair Kyrie with Lively and AD. They may want to give it a try since they couldn't this year, right?

They almost certainly will, but they shouldn't. They have their draft pick next year, but not for the 2 after. They can pivot to cap space next offseason depending on the trades or just take on expensive vets instead and start climbing the ladder around a team closer to the age of their hopeful young star.

[TheGeneral99]

Giannis I'm good with...but please don't go after a 36 year old KD...

[WuTang_CMB]

Over the last 2 years, KD played 75 and 62 games, which is more than a lot of other younger stars.

Last season, he put up 26 PPG on shooting splits of 53/43/84 and a 64 TS%. He's still one the very best offensive players.

If you can get him and keep your core intact, that's a big win because you're likely getting a legit #1 option who will play around 65 games.

He's a rental though, with only a year left on his deal so a lot will depend on the cost to acquire him.

He would instantly be our best player next season.

[ishoy123]

Over the last 2 years, KD played 75 and 62 games, which is more than a lot of other younger stars.

Last season, he put up 26 PPG on shooting splits of 53/43/84 and a 64 TS%. He's still one the very best offensive players.

If you can get him and keep your core intact, that's a big win because you're likely getting a legit #1 option who will play around 65 games.

He's a rental though, with only a year left on his deal so a lot will depend on the cost to acquire him.

Reality is that no one (especially realgm posters) really knows how many games any player will play in a season.

OG couldn't stay healthy in Toronto, then goes to New York and plays 74 games under the Thibs minute load.

[OakleyDokely]

Over the last 2 years, KD played 75 and 62 games, which is more than a lot of other younger stars.

Last season, he put up 26 PPG on shooting splits of 53/43/84 and a 64 TS%. He's still one the very best offensive players.

If you can get him and keep your core intact, that's a big win because you're likely getting a legit #1 option who will play around 65 games.

He's a rental though, with only a year left on his deal so a lot will depend on the cost to acquire him.

Reality is that no one (especially realgm posters) really knows how many games any player will play in a season.

OG couldn't stay healthy in Toronto, then goes to New York and plays 74 games under the Thibs minute load.

Everyone is susceptible to a freak injury and those you can't predict.

KD's older so he's a greater risk than your average guy in his prime, but he's played 137 games over the last couple years which is solid.

[NotMyKawhi]

You guys don't want Giannis, trust me. You should but you don't. You don't even wanna give up 2 future 1sts and 2 pick swaps while you get to pick the salary that goes out.

It's never gonna happen. I proposed the worst possible trade for the bucks and you guys said it was too much.

Move on

[MiamiSPX]

Over the last 2 years, KD played 75 and 62 games, which is more than a lot of other younger stars.

Last season, he put up 26 PPG on shooting splits of 53/43/84 and a 64 TS%. He's still one the very best offensive players.

If you can get him and keep your core intact, that's a big win because you're likely getting a legit #1 option who will play around 65 games.

He's a rental though, with only a year left on his deal so a lot will depend on the cost to acquire him.

He would instantly be our best player next season.

I doubt any current Raptor ever has a season with that statline. Of course his age gives me pause, but if he were 26 he wouldn't be available.

[Rapsobsessed7]

We can't ask for Richards back because the salaries won't work with KDs 54M.

Yes it does. You can do 2 separate deals

1. KD for Barrett + Poeltl

2. Gradey/Ochai for Richards

Or I believe we still have a TE. You can absorb Richards into the TE first then do KD for Barrett + Poeltl + Dick

Richards ia NOT worth that. He sucks.

So you guys know how many times a game kd would literally yell at richards for messing up? He had everyone frustrated over there. You DONT give up dick or ochai for that level of 5. You leave richard in Phoenix and go shop for another one on the market.

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The intelligence level has dropped tremendously on this board. I was responding to a comment saying we cannot ask for Richards back in the deal because it doesnt work with KDs 54M. The reason it doesnt work with KDs 54M is because KD cannot be combined with another player as the Suns are a 2nd apron team. So above, im not saying to trade Dick or Ochai for Richards, im merely stating that if you wanted Richards back in the deal it would need to be done in 2 parts. The first for KD and the 2nd for Richards. The net results being KD + Richards for Gradey + Poeltl + Barrett. Thats all. Obviously and it goes without saying as its fairly common sense but because it seems to lack here, no one would trade Gradey or Ochai straight up for Richards.

[OakleyDokely]

Over the last 2 years, KD played 75 and 62 games, which is more than a lot of other younger stars.

Last season, he put up 26 PPG on shooting splits of 53/43/84 and a 64 TS%. He's still one the very best offensive players.

If you can get him and keep your core intact, that's a big win because you're likely getting a legit #1 option who will play around 65 games.

He's a rental though, with only a year left on his deal so a lot will depend on the cost to acquire him.

He would instantly be our best player next season.

I doubt any current Raptor ever has a season with that statline. Of course his age gives me pause, but if he were 26 he wouldn't be available.

Kawhi didn't even put up those numbers in his year with the Raps, he put up 50/37/85, 61 TS%

KD"s an old man, but he's one of the greatest scorers of all-time and his old man seasons are still elite.

[MiamiSPX]

He would instantly be our best player next season.

I doubt any current Raptor ever has a season with that statline. Of course his age gives me pause, but if he were 26 he wouldn't be available.

Kawhi didn't even put up those numbers in his year with the Raps, he put up 50/37/85, 61 TS%

KD"s an old man, but he's one of the greatest scorers of all-time and his old man seasons are still elite.

I've said this before but I truly think he would agree to go to the Raptors. And this is coming from a guy who naturally assumes no player wants to play in Toronto. He made a comment that the Raps would never win another title, but that was when the loss was still fresh and he was bitter. He has always spoken fondly of the city, and there are no wife and kids to contend with.

[OakleyDokely]

I doubt any current Raptor ever has a season with that statline. Of course his age gives me pause, but if he were 26 he wouldn't be available.

Kawhi didn't even put up those numbers in his year with the Raps, he put up 50/37/85, 61 TS%

KD"s an old man, but he's one of the greatest scorers of all-time and his old man seasons are still elite.

I've said this before but I truly think he would agree to go to the Raptors. And this is coming from a guy who naturally assumes no player wants to play in Toronto. He made a comment that the Raps would never win another title, but that was when the loss was still fresh and he was bitter. He has always spoken fondly of the city, and there are no wife and kids to contend with.

KD could rebuild his image here. He'd be LOVED here and if the Raps had any semblance of success and he'd get most of the credit.

[WuTang_CMB]

He would instantly be our best player next season.

I doubt any current Raptor ever has a season with that statline. Of course his age gives me pause, but if he were 26 he wouldn't be available.

Kawhi didn't even put up those numbers in his year with the Raps, he put up 50/37/85, 61 TS%

KD"s an old man, but he's one of the greatest scorers of all-time and his old man seasons are still elite.

I would do Jak and RJ .. I'm not adding #9 to that ... give them #39. I don't even know if you can give them the 2026 pick. We still at the end of the day only won 30 games and health is going to be a big factor with KD and BI next season.

Masai needs to get a centre at 9 if he can do that deal. Ideally you want a defensive centre.
Ishbia doesn't want to rebuild even though as you said they should 100% be dealing Booker for their picks back - I agree. HOU would do it for Booker, not KD.

PHX wants a centre in any deal. Poeltl makes sense for them.

[Asif16]

Jak + RJ might be one of the better offers Phoenix can get.

Unless Minnesota offers up Mcdaniels and Gobert

[WuTang_CMB]

Jak + RJ might be one of the better offers Phoenix can get.

Unless Minnesota offers up Mcdaniels and Gobert

Doesn't work. PHX would be over by $5M .. and they cant aggregate.

In the RJ/JP deal they would actually save $7.5M

[And1Skip]

Back when we traded for Kawhi, there was a cautious excitement in Toronto but the anticipation throughout the rest of the summer and into training camp was nothing the city's ever experienced before. And then Kawhi ended up playing in every home game under McKechnie's load management plan. Getting KD will be similar in that everyone is cautious because of his age, but the buzz around here will be similar to Kawhi, if not more. Can't compare KD to Hakeem - Hakeem was washed for 2 seasons before he came here. KD is 2 years younger than when Hakeem got here, and still produced All-NBA like numbers across the board playing 37 mins a game.

[Asif16]

Jak + RJ might be one of the better offers Phoenix can get.

Unless Minnesota offers up Mcdaniels and Gobert

Doesn't work. PHX would be over by $5M .. and they cant aggregate.

In the RJ/JP deal they would actually save $7.5M

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification on that.

Yeah, in terms of Phoenix getting back a legit center in this deal, options become limited. Unless they like Naz Reid? Also I dont know how Phoenix views Jabari Smith Jr.

[OakleyDokely]

KD+Ingram+Barnes+IQ would be quite the qroup. Who knows if it would work, but it would be fun to find out.

[WuTang_CMB]

Jak + RJ might be one of the better offers Phoenix can get.

Unless Minnesota offers up Mcdaniels and Gobert

Doesn't work. PHX would be over by $5M .. and they cant aggregate.

In the RJ/JP deal they would actually save $7.5M

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification on that.

Yeah, in terms of Phoenix getting back a legit center in this deal, options become limited. Unless they like Naz Reid? Also I dont know how Phoenix views Jabari Smith Jr.

He's a FA, i think he opts out, I don't think you can S&T either if you are in the 2nd apron

Yeah, it's limited for sure

Houston isn't even offering FVV or a centre .. and they want to keep those PHX picks because they know they are going to implode (right move) and PHX is all in on keeping Booker

The only team is San Antonio because looks like KD would go there but to be honest, the West is such a blood bath that it's going to take a lot more thinking to do it then say Toronto cuz East is wide open.

[WuTang_CMB]

KD+Ingram+Barnes+IQ would be quite the qroup. Who knows if it would work, but it would be fun to find out.

The biggest winner here? Ingram. He would cook with the attention KD would get.

[OakleyDokely]

KD+Ingram+Barnes+IQ would be quite the qroup. Who knows if it would work, but it would be fun to find out.

The biggest winner here? Ingram. He would cook with the attention KD would get.

We could also load manage both. One of them with Barnes/IQ should be enough to still win games.