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TheBlackCzar wrote:WizD stated a few posts back it was only like 4 or 5 engines in the NBA right now, SGA being one of them... Halli was not in that group, hence why I stated what i said.....
I would say that would be about fair value but I think that's like sure my buddy's selling his side by side for 13 grand and maybe that's worth it but I don't have that so it doesn't matter. That's just to high a price for them to pay right now. Maybe they do but we just don't have the player to make that trade make sense.TheBlackCzar wrote:9 and 20 wrote:Twitter brings up Derozan for Smart. We also get a 2nd rounder.
Derozan is still a decent player but shouldn't be playing for us. Maybe send Middleton instead, and route Derozan to a third team? We get a worse player than Derozan but more than one second rounder out of the trade.
I think we should trade a 2nd rounder and Richaun Holmes for Paul George and #3. We should be rewarded for eating that contract, so why not.... Draft Ace, Fears, Queen and be rolling if we get first next year or not......
Bickerstaff: who's up for kickball?!!
Ed Wood: Only if it's the no-pants variety.
Rafael122 wrote:Random slop 5 teamer where everyone gets what they want:
Knicks get: Giannis
Rockets get: KD
Bucks get: KAT
Suns get: Middleton, Holmes, Kolek, Whitmore, 10th pick in draft
Wizards get: Jabari Smith, Reed Sheppard, Landale, Dillon Brooks, '26 FRP back from Knicks
Why for the Suns? Rumor is KD will get traded at some point this summer and they're looking for young players and/or picks. Well, they get Whitmore and the 10th pick from the Suns and expiring contracts in Middleton and Holmes that they could probably flip at the deadline.
Why for the Bucks and Knicks? A KAT for Giannis trade seems to be in the rumor mill as well. It's an even swap from a salary perspective and it allows Milwaukee to not tank next season. New York also gets better defensively.
Why for the Rockets? They get KD, and cash in on some of the young assets.
Why for the Wizards? They use expirings and in exchange get their first round pick from the Knicks back, two young players in Smith and Sheppard and flippable contracts in Landale and Brooks.
nate33 wrote:Rafael122 wrote:Random slop 5 teamer where everyone gets what they want:
Knicks get: Giannis
Rockets get: KD
Bucks get: KAT
Suns get: Middleton, Holmes, Kolek, Whitmore, 10th pick in draft
Wizards get: Jabari Smith, Reed Sheppard, Landale, Dillon Brooks, '26 FRP back from Knicks
Why for the Suns? Rumor is KD will get traded at some point this summer and they're looking for young players and/or picks. Well, they get Whitmore and the 10th pick from the Suns and expiring contracts in Middleton and Holmes that they could probably flip at the deadline.
Why for the Bucks and Knicks? A KAT for Giannis trade seems to be in the rumor mill as well. It's an even swap from a salary perspective and it allows Milwaukee to not tank next season. New York also gets better defensively.
Why for the Rockets? They get KD, and cash in on some of the young assets.
Why for the Wizards? They use expirings and in exchange get their first round pick from the Knicks back, two young players in Smith and Sheppard and flippable contracts in Landale and Brooks.
These proposals are much easier to evaluate if you provide and outgoing and incoming for each team.
Ultimately, the Bucks are getting robbed blind here. Why on Earth would they trade Giannis for KAT alone? Giannis is the 3rd best player in the NBA and still in his prime. KAT is okay, but at his salary he is barely even a positive asset. After all, the Knicks only traded Randle (off of a bad year) and Divencenzo to acquire him.
Valuewise, this is basically like trading Randle and Divencenzo for Giannis!
The Wizards are stealing a ton of value in this trade too. Sheppard and Smith is a lot of value just to absorb Brooks (who is a playable guy) and Landale.
Bickerstaff: who's up for kickball?!!
Ed Wood: Only if it's the no-pants variety.
dckingsfan wrote:Question: there are rumors that a KD to San Antonio could be a done deal.
How do they pull off that trade given where Phoenix is cap wise?
Bickerstaff: who's up for kickball?!!
Ed Wood: Only if it's the no-pants variety.
Rafael122 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:Question: there are rumors that a KD to San Antonio could be a done deal.
How do they pull off that trade given where Phoenix is cap wise?
They can still make trades, they just can't trade 2 players for 1 for example because they're over the second apron.
If I had to guess, its the 14th pick, Barnes, Sochan and Johnson for KD or 14th pick, Vassell, Barnes for KD.
Let's say they do the second trade, they are at $211 million in salaries. The 2nd apron is at $207.8 million.
Cody Martin's deal becomes fully guaranteed on 6/30/2025. Micic has a team option, and Richards deal becomes guaranteed on 6/29. This is why Phoenix wants to get a deal done by the draft because if they pull off the Vassell/Barnes/14th pick for KD by draft night, they can decline Micic's option which puts them under the 2nd apron. More flexibility to make trades, less financially burdensome. Or they could take it a step further and decline Martin and Micic's options and they're under the 1st apron at that point. That would give them access to the tax payer MLE.
As long as they take in like $7-8 million less than KD's salary, their cap sheet should be OK moving forward.
Hibachi_0 wrote:
Bickerstaff: who's up for kickball?!!
Ed Wood: Only if it's the no-pants variety.
payitforward wrote:Trading Poole... what an interesting idea! But trading him where...?
Dallas? For Lively, picks, and...?
The Lakers? For...?
Denver? To take a big swing one more once?
I know.... to Portland for Deni!
Frichuela wrote:Hibachi_0 wrote:
Interesting, if this is true it might mean Dawkins will pick up a guard in the draft...Traore would be my guess. Maybe Poole to ORL for their #16 pick, which combined with our existing #18 pick should allow us to trade up into the lottery.
pcbothwel wrote:I'll keep banging on this drum... We are a perfect fit with ORL.
They need a scoring point guard that can create and shoot from 30ft - Poole
They need another 2/3 that can also shoot from deep, but on low usage - Kispert
We need a draft pick - 16 or 25
We need Center that compliments Sarr (Ie. Lunch pail rebounder and positional defender) - WCJ
We'll need to backfill Poole's role a bit - Cole Anthony
Poole, Kispert, 18 for WCJ, Cole, KCP, 16, 25
- We move up from 16=>18 and get 25
- Salary neutral ($45M in/out) for two years, ORL saves 5-6M in years 3 & 4
- Cole & KCP had down years... but they started slow and then really stepped-up post ASB. Might be a good buy low
Dat2U wrote:payitforward wrote:Trading Poole... what an interesting idea! But trading him where...?
Dallas? For Lively, picks, and...?
The Lakers? For...?
Denver? To take a big swing one more once?
I know.... to Portland for Deni!
Hopefully its for amunition to give to San Antonio so we can draft Dylan Harper
dckingsfan wrote:pcbothwel wrote:I'll keep banging on this drum... We are a perfect fit with ORL.
They need a scoring point guard that can create and shoot from 30ft - Poole
They need another 2/3 that can also shoot from deep, but on low usage - Kispert
We need a draft pick - 16 or 25
We need Center that compliments Sarr (Ie. Lunch pail rebounder and positional defender) - WCJ
We'll need to backfill Poole's role a bit - Cole Anthony
Poole, Kispert, 18 for WCJ, Cole, KCP, 16, 25
- We move up from 16=>18 and get 25
- Salary neutral ($45M in/out) for two years, ORL saves 5-6M in years 3 & 4
- Cole & KCP had down years... but they started slow and then really stepped-up post ASB. Might be a good buy low
With respect, I don't like the trade for either team.
For the Wizards, they will rue the day the took on WCJ's contract. For Orlando, they need a medium usage/high assist/TO guy.
payitforward wrote:TheBlackCzar wrote:WizD stated a few posts back it was only like 4 or 5 engines in the NBA right now, SGA being one of them... Halli was not in that group, hence why I stated what i said.....
Anybody can make a list. But if you make a list of the dozen best players in the league today, Tyrese Haliburton is on that list!
TheBlackCzar wrote:dckingsfan wrote:pcbothwel wrote:I'll keep banging on this drum... We are a perfect fit with ORL.
They need a scoring point guard that can create and shoot from 30ft - Poole
They need another 2/3 that can also shoot from deep, but on low usage - Kispert
We need a draft pick - 16 or 25
We need Center that compliments Sarr (Ie. Lunch pail rebounder and positional defender) - WCJ
We'll need to backfill Poole's role a bit - Cole Anthony
Poole, Kispert, 18 for WCJ, Cole, KCP, 16, 25
- We move up from 16=>18 and get 25
- Salary neutral ($45M in/out) for two years, ORL saves 5-6M in years 3 & 4
- Cole & KCP had down years... but they started slow and then really stepped-up post ASB. Might be a good buy low
With respect, I don't like the trade for either team.
For the Wizards, they will rue the day the took on WCJ's contract. For Orlando, they need a medium usage/high assist/TO guy.
Who is WCJ?