Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[Texas Chuck]

Same poster who insists Sochan is super valuable thinks Giannis/Amen would be a sucky combo because they aren't both spamming 3's. This isn't serious discussion, but you've expressed your thoughts.

Some of us will still think Houston should look to add one of the best players in the world to an already good team. You keep thinking adding great players who aren't perfect fits is just the worst idea of all time. Hopefully that little team you root for will listen to you instead of adding talent around a generational young player.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Same poster who insists Sochan is super valuable thinks Giannis/Amen would be a sucky combo because they aren't both spamming 3's. This isn't serious discussion, but you've expressed your thoughts.

Some of us will still think Houston should look to add one of the best players in the world to an already good team. You keep thinking adding great players who aren't perfect fits is just the worst idea of all time. Hopefully that little team you root for will listen to you instead of adding talent around a generational young player.

I have literally never praised Sochan at any point and you again seem to just have a really bad memory. I think the Spurs should trade Sochan as part of the KD deal as he sucks and will kill them in the postseason. Why would you ever think I had this opinion.

Teams with bad spacing always get rocked in the postseason. It's why Ja's teams have always sucked in the postseason and why Ben Simmons' teams always sucked in the postseason and why Amen Thompson's team sucked in the postseason. Amen needs a team built around him with four elite shooters around him to do well. So does Giannis and that is incompatible.

[jayjaysee]

I’m liking those AD/Garland based three teams deals a bit more now.. Could make it the longest recovery from an injured toe we have ever seen..

[daoneandonly]

I've thought all along the Spurs make the most sense for him. He's a great bridge along with Fox to help Wemby get playoff experience while waiting on Harper/Castle to be ready to have major roles.

I also like the deal for them financially. While Wemby, Castle, and Harper are all on rookie deals, the Spurs can afford Durant for a few years, raise their ceiling, and KD can demonstrate where commitment to the game can take the youngins.

So in such a scenario, SPurs are keeping Fox, Castle, and Harper. What exactly are they giving up then for Durant? Yea Im a Mavs homer and hate SA, but they gave up jack for Fox, and had Wemby and Harper handed to them. How can one team just keep getting without giving?

[Texas Chuck]

I've thought all along the Spurs make the most sense for him. He's a great bridge along with Fox to help Wemby get playoff experience while waiting on Harper/Castle to be ready to have major roles.

I also like the deal for them financially. While Wemby, Castle, and Harper are all on rookie deals, the Spurs can afford Durant for a few years, raise their ceiling, and KD can demonstrate where commitment to the game can take the youngins.

So in such a scenario, SPurs are keeping Fox, Castle, and Harper. What exactly are they giving up then for Durant? Yea Im a Mavs homer and hate SA, but they gave up jack for Fox, and had Wemby and Harper handed to them. How can one team just keep getting without giving?

Dallas got Luka because at minimum 3 teams were dumb as rocks. In the same draft even more teams were dumb as Brunson got to them in the 2nd round. Now Dallas fumbled both of those gifts, but they got em, and now Flagg was just gifted to them.

[Godaddycurse]

I've thought all along the Spurs make the most sense for him. He's a great bridge along with Fox to help Wemby get playoff experience while waiting on Harper/Castle to be ready to have major roles.

I also like the deal for them financially. While Wemby, Castle, and Harper are all on rookie deals, the Spurs can afford Durant for a few years, raise their ceiling, and KD can demonstrate where commitment to the game can take the youngins.

So in such a scenario, SPurs are keeping Fox, Castle, and Harper. What exactly are they giving up then for Durant? Yea Im a Mavs homer and hate SA, but they gave up jack for Fox, and had Wemby and Harper handed to them. How can one team just keep getting without giving?

vassell/barnes/14 and future pick or 2

[pipfan]

Giannis to Hou works easily, if they want to go for it
Sengun to NO
Murray/#7/Bucks 26/27 picks to Milw, along with #10, the Suns' 2027 pick and JGreen
Giannis to Hou

NO goes with CJ/Murphy/Jones/Zion/Sengun-that's a fun team, bench of Alvaro, Hawkins, KellyO, Missi-need more depth but that's a playoff team if healthy

Milw starts all over, let's JGreen gun away and add the #7/10. I would go with Malauch/Newell, setting up a defensive front line. They tank the year and get a top 5 2026 pick. Hope Murray can come back and play some, to build up any value for June, 2026. They'd have the Suns' 2027 pick to play with too

[HadAnEffectHere]

I looked up literally every post I made about Sochan and this page had the only bits of praise I ever had for him

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Midway through his second year, I thought he was worth a mid to late lottery pick. I was more optimistic about his shooting here, but there's no reason to be optimistic now. He's a strongly negative player on the court and is worth a late first at best now.

[Texas Chuck]

I also like the deal for them financially. While Wemby, Castle, and Harper are all on rookie deals, the Spurs can afford Durant for a few years, raise their ceiling, and KD can demonstrate where commitment to the game can take the youngins.

So in such a scenario, SPurs are keeping Fox, Castle, and Harper. What exactly are they giving up then for Durant? Yea Im a Mavs homer and hate SA, but they gave up jack for Fox, and had Wemby and Harper handed to them. How can one team just keep getting without giving?

vassell/barnes/14 and future pick or 2

Might not even need the future pick depending on what the Suns think of Vassell. Or if they can flip him for a big, which I believe they could.

[ACMFFL]

I’m liking those AD/Garland based three teams deals a bit more now.. Could make it the longest recovery from an injured toe we have ever seen..

Yeah it's kinda interesting but then what happens to Kyrie in this scenario if he takes his PO?

[zimpy27]

Yeah I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But there's been a lot of smoke about KD to SA lately so I'm starting to believe it's real

I think the mutual interest is real too. Not sure I believe a deal is essentially already agreed to. I don't think we'd be hearing some of the other KD stuff floating around if that were true.

But Spurs have always made the most sense for him just as their Texas mates the Rockets have always made the most sense for Giannis if he pops free.

Strong agree. Spurs seems like the most likely situation even before Durant or Simmons made comments.

KD is also clearly not worth #2 and Suns would really want playable young guys and tax savings. Most interesting wrinkle will be working out the starting C the Suns get in the trade, will there be a 3rd team?

[Godaddycurse]

Yeah I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But there's been a lot of smoke about KD to SA lately so I'm starting to believe it's real

I think the mutual interest is real too. Not sure I believe a deal is essentially already agreed to. I don't think we'd be hearing some of the other KD stuff floating around if that were true.

But Spurs have always made the most sense for him just as their Texas mates the Rockets have always made the most sense for Giannis if he pops free.

Strong agree. Spurs seems like the most likely situation even before Durant or Simmons made comments.

KD is also clearly not worth #2 and Suns would really want playable young guys and tax savings. Most interesting wrinkle will be working out the starting C the Suns get in the trade, will there be a 3rd team?

claxton/barnes/26/27/future spurs 1st to suns
vassell/14 to brooklyn
kd to spurs

[zimpy27]

I think the mutual interest is real too. Not sure I believe a deal is essentially already agreed to. I don't think we'd be hearing some of the other KD stuff floating around if that were true.

But Spurs have always made the most sense for him just as their Texas mates the Rockets have always made the most sense for Giannis if he pops free.

Strong agree. Spurs seems like the most likely situation even before Durant or Simmons made comments.

KD is also clearly not worth #2 and Suns would really want playable young guys and tax savings. Most interesting wrinkle will be working out the starting C the Suns get in the trade, will there be a 3rd team?

claxton/barnes/26/27/future spurs 1st to suns
vassell/14 to brooklyn
kd to spurs

Something like that though I think Suns prefer Vassell over Barnes+26+27 but it's debatable.

I also wondered if Magic might be the third team for one of their bigs.

[HadAnEffectHere]

KD to the Spurs is OK as a fit due to their cap situation, but I don't love it because KD plays just such losing basketball at this point in his career. KD HATES playing within an offense and hates making the extra pass and isn't a force defensively any more. He's still one of the best shot makers in NBA history, but he's just such a losing player in every other aspect. He's also obviously a really bad teammate.

Hopefully for them they get him for fairly cheap.

[Godaddycurse]

Strong agree. Spurs seems like the most likely situation even before Durant or Simmons made comments.

KD is also clearly not worth #2 and Suns would really want playable young guys and tax savings. Most interesting wrinkle will be working out the starting C the Suns get in the trade, will there be a 3rd team?

claxton/barnes/26/27/future spurs 1st to suns
vassell/14 to brooklyn
kd to spurs

Something like that though I think Suns prefer Vassell over Barnes+26+27 but it's debatable.

not sure they want a 3rd high salary SG on the roster

[daoneandonly]

I also like the deal for them financially. While Wemby, Castle, and Harper are all on rookie deals, the Spurs can afford Durant for a few years, raise their ceiling, and KD can demonstrate where commitment to the game can take the youngins.

So in such a scenario, SPurs are keeping Fox, Castle, and Harper. What exactly are they giving up then for Durant? Yea Im a Mavs homer and hate SA, but they gave up jack for Fox, and had Wemby and Harper handed to them. How can one team just keep getting without giving?

Dallas got Luka because at minimum 3 teams were dumb as rocks. In the same draft even more teams were dumb as Brunson got to them in the 2nd round. Now Dallas fumbled both of those gifts, but they got em, and now Flagg was just gifted to them.

But Dallas "Won" a coinflip against Atlanta in that draft and yet Atlanta passed them in the lottery so Dallas had to give up another pick. No team is as lucky as SA and they shouldn't be able to get KD without giving up valuable pieces. Vassel isnt that, nor is Sochan, or Keldon, and really SA picks with that roster. So they're not giving up anything.

[K_chile22]

Amen and Giannis fit fine, they don't operate from the same parts of the floor, Sengun and Giannis very much do. Games not as simple as shoot or no shoot. Obviously that matters but not the end all be all

[HadAnEffectHere]

Amen and Giannis fit fine, they don't operate from the same parts of the floor, Sengun and Giannis very much do. Games not as simple as shoot or no shoot. Obviously that matters but not the end all be all

Yeah, Amen operates from the dunker spot so now you have your SF at the dunker spot and need a center who can absolutely bomb threes next to your shooting incompetent SF and very bad shooting PF who does not like guys next to him in the dunker spot.

List of competent centers who bomb threes who are available:

If you want 31 year old Giannis to get injured playing center, sure, you can do that.

[jayjaysee]

I’m liking those AD/Garland based three teams deals a bit more now.. Could make it the longest recovery from an injured toe we have ever seen..

Yeah it's kinda interesting but then what happens to Kyrie in this scenario if he takes his PO?

Let him rehab and trade him for minimal value I guess or help at a different position depending on if the team is tanking or not at that point l?

Not ideal at all. Still just dreaming on tanking here though..

[zimpy27]

claxton/barnes/26/27/future spurs 1st to suns
vassell/14 to brooklyn
kd to spurs

Something like that though I think Suns prefer Vassell over Barnes+26+27 but it's debatable.

not sure they want a 3rd high salary SG on the roster

Vassell is a wing that pairs well with Booker.
Beal is dead money breathing as it stands. Suns will treat him as bench fodder. But perhaps Suns give up Grayson?