NBA Trade Thread #12

[sco]

Two non-lottery picks for Coby is an easy yes IMO.

As for why, Coby can score on good volume and efficiency, but what else does he bring? He can play with and without the ball, but he's not a great isolation scorer who forces doubles, and he isn't an elite off-ball shooter who runs off screens. He can't defend, and he's only a solid passer.

Volume scorers like this can be a vital part of a great team, but they are flawed and shouldn't be treated as irreplaceable pieces. We went through this with Zach.

With a Coby trade, it's a 2 part consideration. What do we get in terms of pick compensation and how much cap space do we clear vs. keeping him on a new deal. A situation where we go into the season after next with 2 picks and enough cap space for 1 max guy plus a $30M guy is sorta appealing. We're likely not fixing the roster this offseason, and we'll get the season to see what we got with this year's pick (one thing I like about Coward is that he could be a future replacement, and play behind Huerter or Ayo next season).

[nomorezorro]

i gotta get something better than the 16th pick to trade coby. i'm not even that much of a believer in him, but his post-lavine performance was enough to make me think he's still got a better chance of becoming an impact player than one mid- and one late-first rounder.

and even if he regresses a little, as long as he doesn't completely fall off a cliff you should probably still be able to get at least a late first for him at the deadline next year, so it's not like you're risking losing that much value by keeping him

[nomorezorro]

i'm also not ready to go into next season with kevin huerter as the only thing close to a reliable shooter on the roster

[sco]

i'm also not ready to go into next season with kevin huerter as the only thing close to a reliable shooter on the roster

Why does next season matter? IMO, it's just about experimenting with Giddey and Matas to see what else is needed and to get Matas experience in a bigger role on offense. If they win 25 games or 41 games, it has no meaning, really. Also it's about sorting through guys like Smith, Ayo, Phillips, etc. to see if there are any keepers post next season.

[Infinity2152]

Don't think anybody considers Coby untradable. Some in here just place much greater value on non lottery picks than others. The majority of times the picked players end up role player or worse, but these longshot lottery tickets are treated like pounds of gold. Has to be some balance between acquiring as many picks as you can and acquiring good players that are useful now. The only reason a team offers you first round picks for a player is if they think the player is worth as much or more than the picks. They could be right.

Nobody in here EVER treated Zach like he was untradeable, AFAIK. Most wanted some assets in return, and we arguably got more waiting than trying to trade him while he was injured.

60 players drafted every year into a league of 450 players. 40-50 have to be kicked out. Most won't make it past their rookie contracts. The odds either of two late first round picks are better than Coby is very slim. Having two role player or below players does not move the needle. Coby's one of our best trade assets, be nice if we got something more than a hope and a dream for him. Like maybe some actual, good NBA talent we can plug in.

For instance, I'd move him for Derrick Lively or Kel' el Ware faster than pick 16 and 25. We have a way better idea of what we're getting back.

[nomorezorro]

i'm also not ready to go into next season with kevin huerter as the only thing close to a reliable shooter on the roster

Why does next season matter? IMO, it's just about experimenting with Giddey and Matas to see what else is needed and to get Matas experience in a bigger role on offense. If they win 25 games or 41 games, it has no meaning, really. Also it's about sorting through guys like Smith, Ayo, Phillips, etc. to see if there are any keepers post next season.

it wouldn't be a make or break factor for me in determining whether to make a coby trade, but i do think this roster sans coby would be at a point where you would risk hampering player development due to a lack of reliable spacing (and possibly a lack of reliable shot-creation). we're honestly not in a great place for that stuff with coby

obviously you have a chance to offset his absence with the right correlating offseason moves, but still...it's another reason to push for a legitimately good return for him, rather than just going 'eh he's probably gonna walk or get overpaid after this season; let's just take what we can get now'

[ChettheJet]

If the Bulls do decide to move Coby for picks, would prefer they be future picks. Our roster is extremely crowded for the next year, new guys would get little play while we're still trying to figure out if Ayo, Phillips or Terry are coming back plus our rookie at 12.. Again, would prefer to trade Coby for more established talent, but if it's for two picks and we take future picks, good chance one or both are above 16 and 25, depending on the team.

I'm with you on this year's roster not having much room for a 2nd or especially a 3rd rookie. If Coby can bring back picks I'd be up for taking a 2026 and 2028 pick and after some consideration gambling that the team he goes to crumbles. Let's say they trade Coby the the Nobodies and he has a great year, then he gets a great offer and leaves. The Nobodies lose another key guy, they end up signing the wrong FAs and without trying end up in the lottery. For an example look at how long PORT has been in the lottery despite some high picks and big name players. The gamble on another team screwing up is better than just getting the sure mid to late picks #16 and #25 this year

[Infinity2152]

I invite everybody to check common views of what Coby is looking at for 2026 free agency. I know it's possible everybody/anybody is wrong, but I tend to go with majority opinions from professionals. Put Coby White contract extension into any AI, it comes and basically says he could expect upwards of $40 mill and is unlikely to sign. I just did it. Assume it's drawing from the large number of articles saying exactly that. Read multiple articles suggesting the same. No reason to be biased.

You know how you see something coming and despite knowing what's about to happen, you still don't get out of the way? Everybody's telling you what it's going to be, stick to your own beliefs. Coby's going to be 27, probably our #1 option this year, and could put up gaudy stats. Lots of teams will have cap space. Scorers get overpaid in the league in free agency. The story writes itself.

We can get ahead of the bus or get run over.

[Chi town]

Don't think anybody considers Coby untradable. Some in here just place much greater value on non lottery picks than others. The majority of times the picked players end up role player or worse, but these longshot lottery tickets are treated like pounds of gold. Has to be some balance between acquiring as many picks as you can and acquiring good players that are useful now. The only reason a team offers you first round picks for a player is if they think the player is worth as much or more than the picks. They could be right.

Nobody in here EVER treated Zach like he was untradeable, AFAIK. Most wanted some assets in return, and we arguably got more waiting than trying to trade him while he was injured.

60 players drafted every year into a league of 450 players. 40-50 have to be kicked out. Most won't make it past their rookie contracts. The odds either of two late first round picks are better than Coby is very slim. Having two role player or below players does not move the needle. Coby's one of our best trade assets, be nice if we got something more than a hope and a dream for him. Like maybe some actual, good NBA talent we can plug in.

For instance, I'd move him for Derrick Lively or Kel' el Ware faster than pick 16 and 25. We have a way better idea of what we're getting back.

Yep. Good context.

I’d only trade Coby if we were getting a player like Tre Johnson or we had a separate move to get a player like Cam Whitmore that could score like him.

Folks don’t realize how hard it is to create 3s in this league. Coby can do it and make them at a solid clip. Creating offense at all 3 levels is a big help to an offense.

[Chi town]

If the Bulls do decide to move Coby for picks, would prefer they be future picks. Our roster is extremely crowded for the next year, new guys would get little play while we're still trying to figure out if Ayo, Phillips or Terry are coming back plus our rookie at 12.. Again, would prefer to trade Coby for more established talent, but if it's for two picks and we take future picks, good chance one or both are above 16 and 25, depending on the team.

I'm with you on this year's roster not having much room for a 2nd or especially a 3rd rookie. If Coby can bring back picks I'd be up for taking a 2026 and 2028 pick and after some consideration gambling that the team he goes to crumbles. Let's say they trade Coby the the Nobodies and he has a great year, then he gets a great offer and leaves. The Nobodies lose another key guy, they end up signing the wrong FAs and without trying end up in the lottery. For an example look at how long PORT has been in the lottery despite some high picks and big name players. The gamble on another team screwing up is better than just getting the sure mid to late picks #16 and #25 this year

We all know AK is not trading Coby for future picks. He doesn’t value picks. He doesn’t value the future.

I’ll keep saying it…

AK wants to win not build a winner.

[boozapalooza]

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Nets looking to package Cam Johnson and #19 to move up into the lotto

Would you do Ayo, filled (Carter), 12 for Cam and 19???

[2weekswithpay]

Don't think anybody considers Coby untradable. Some in here just place much greater value on non lottery picks than others. The majority of times the picked players end up role player or worse, but these longshot lottery tickets are treated like pounds of gold. Has to be some balance between acquiring as many picks as you can and acquiring good players that are useful now. The only reason a team offers you first round picks for a player is if they think the player is worth as much or more than the picks. They could be right.

Nobody in here EVER treated Zach like he was untradeable, AFAIK. Most wanted some assets in return, and we arguably got more waiting than trying to trade him while he was injured.

60 players drafted every year into a league of 450 players. 40-50 have to be kicked out. Most won't make it past their rookie contracts. The odds either of two late first round picks are better than Coby is very slim. Having two role player or below players does not move the needle. Coby's one of our best trade assets, be nice if we got something more than a hope and a dream for him. Like maybe some actual, good NBA talent we can plug in.

For instance, I'd move him for Derrick Lively or Kel' el Ware faster than pick 16 and 25. We have a way better idea of what we're getting back.

Untradable isn't how I'd describe it. Overvalued or somewhat unrealistic is better. All fans tend to overrate players, and the return they want for them becomes a bit unreasonable IMO. Last season, a lot of fans thought that Austin Reaves wasn't good enough to be the centerpiece in a trade for Zach. Not enough attention was paid to Zach's terrible contract, and fans talked about Zach like it was 2020.

I know the odds of getting a layer better than Coby aren't high, but picks are the best trade assets teams have, and I want as many chances as possible to draft a good player. I would love Lively or Ware, but I don't see good young players on rookie contracts getting traded for Coby.

[jnrjr79]

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Nets looking to package Cam Johnson and #19 to move up into the lotto

Would you do Ayo, filled (Carter), 12 for Cam and 19???

To my understanding, you wouldn’t need to match contracts with Brooklyn, since they’ll have cap space.

[Infinity2152]

Here's where I'm at now. I'm all in on Giddey's going to be great, Matas is going to be great because why not? Why not give the opportunities, Giddey's put up the numbers and Matas looks good and versatile early. Lonzo Ball is a great player, why not be positive about his health? He looked way better last year than the 2 years before. But we at least have Giddey and Matas. If Patrick Williams is your worst contract, you're doing pretty damn good in the cap situation. We have RIDICULOUS cap space opening up. Giddey is the only big contract we're looking at in 2026.

Unless we plan on swinging for two max free agents in the competitive 2026 free agency, we pretty much CAN'T mess up getting a good reasonably expensive player like Bane or Zion or KD if it's a fit. Even if it doesn't work out perfectly year 1.

We'll still have plenty of cap space left. Unless we're re-signing Coby to a very high contract, we have space for two max players in expirings. We're have too many good young players now to be a bottom team. We're drafting a lottery player. We need to make the first big step in getting better while so many teams are hamstrung. I don't see what the question is, Coby's contract expiring, him not willing to sign an extension, public opinion he could get $40 mill, seems obvious to me. Combine Coby with one or two of those huge expirings and get a great vet player, preferably two-way, to run with Giddey and Matas. We still have money and pieces for a star trade.

We're adding two high cost players by the end of summer 2026, bank it. Teams are cap struck, guys are acting up. I'm up for taking one good step, whether it's a mid-high one like Gafford, Lively, Bane or the star shot for Jaylen Brown, Zion, JJJ.

[Chi town]

What I expect…

1. Vuc and 45 for a late 1st and expiring filler.

2. Demin at 12. C late 1st.

3. No FAs.

Zo/Ayo
Coby/Huerter
Giddey/Demin
Buz/PW
Collins/Smith/Rookie

[Chi town]

Here's where I'm at now. I'm all in on Giddey's going to be great, Matas is going to be great because why not? Why not give the opportunities, Giddey's put up the numbers and Matas looks good and versatile early. Lonzo Ball is a great player, why not be positive about his health? He looked way better last year than the 2 years before. But we at least have Giddey and Matas. If Patrick Williams is your worst contract, you're doing pretty damn good in the cap situation. We have RIDICULOUS cap space opening up. Giddey is the only big contract we're looking at in 2026.

Unless we plan on swinging for two max free agents in the competitive 2026 free agency, we pretty much CAN'T mess up getting a good reasonably expensive player like Bane or Zion or KD if it's a fit. Even if it doesn't work out perfectly year 1.

We'll still have plenty of cap space left. Unless we're re-signing Coby to a very high contract, we have space for two max players in expirings. We're have too many good young players now to be a bottom team. We're drafting a lottery player. We need to make the first big step in getting better while so many teams are hamstrung. I don't see what the question is, Coby's contract expiring, him not willing to sign an extension, public opinion he could get $40 mill, seems obvious to me. Combine Coby with one or two of those huge expirings and get a great vet player, preferably two-way, to run with Giddey and Matas. We still have money and pieces for a star trade.

We're adding two high cost players by the end of summer 2026, bank it. Teams are cap struck, guys are acting up. I'm up for taking one good step, whether it's a mid-high one like Gafford, Lively, Bane or the star shot for Jaylen Brown, Zion, JJJ.

I think AK will make his big trade at this deadline while he has big expirings to deal and all our picks.

[Infinity2152]

Here's where I'm at now. I'm all in on Giddey's going to be great, Matas is going to be great because why not? Why not give the opportunities, Giddey's put up the numbers and Matas looks good and versatile early. Lonzo Ball is a great player, why not be positive about his health? He looked way better last year than the 2 years before. But we at least have Giddey and Matas. If Patrick Williams is your worst contract, you're doing pretty damn good in the cap situation. We have RIDICULOUS cap space opening up. Giddey is the only big contract we're looking at in 2026.

Unless we plan on swinging for two max free agents in the competitive 2026 free agency, we pretty much CAN'T mess up getting a good reasonably expensive player like Bane or Zion or KD if it's a fit. Even if it doesn't work out perfectly year 1.

We'll still have plenty of cap space left. Unless we're re-signing Coby to a very high contract, we have space for two max players in expirings. We're have too many good young players now to be a bottom team. We're drafting a lottery player. We need to make the first big step in getting better while so many teams are hamstrung. I don't see what the question is, Coby's contract expiring, him not willing to sign an extension, public opinion he could get $40 mill, seems obvious to me. Combine Coby with one or two of those huge expirings and get a great vet player, preferably two-way, to run with Giddey and Matas. We still have money and pieces for a star trade.

We're adding two high cost players by the end of summer 2026, bank it. Teams are cap struck, guys are acting up. I'm up for taking one good step, whether it's a mid-high one like Gafford, Lively, Bane or the star shot for Jaylen Brown, Zion, JJJ.

I think AK will make his big trade at this deadline while he has big expirings to deal and all our picks.

I'm with that too. IMO you never let contracts expire and get nothing back unless you're REALLY targeting free agency. Which is the least efficient way to add a good player. Can't see them letting that much money just expire. We hav.e enough contracts to do both.

It could get hot this summer though. If Zion, Ja, and Giannis are all on the block, we're at least getting in as a third team unless the Nets do.

[nomorezorro]

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Nets looking to package Cam Johnson and #19 to move up into the lotto

Would you do Ayo, filled (Carter), 12 for Cam and 19???

i don't think there's any way we would be able to pull this off and i assume the nets would be aiming higher than 12 if they're dangling johnson, but this report does make me think that there's a higher chance of us trading down than i previously expected

draft where there's perceived to be a talent dropoff somewhere around 8-10 + teams sitting at 15/16/19 willing to consolidate two firsts into a late lottery pick...conditions seem ripe for us to be in the mix there

[Chi town]

https://t.co/XaSCgTxy35

Nets looking to package Cam Johnson and #19 to move up into the lotto

Would you do Ayo, filled (Carter), 12 for Cam and 19???

i don't think there's any way we would be able to pull this off and i assume the nets would be aiming higher than 12 if they're dangling johnson, but this report does make me think that there's a higher chance of us trading down than i previously expected

draft where there's perceived to be a talent dropoff somewhere around 8-10 + teams sitting at 15/16/19 willing to consolidate two firsts into a late lottery pick...conditions seem ripe for us to be in the mix there

Demin and Drake are the two players the Bulls have been most connected too.

[sco]

https://t.co/XaSCgTxy35

Nets looking to package Cam Johnson and #19 to move up into the lotto

Would you do Ayo, filled (Carter), 12 for Cam and 19???

i don't think there's any way we would be able to pull this off and i assume the nets would be aiming higher than 12 if they're dangling johnson, but this report does make me think that there's a higher chance of us trading down than i previously expected

draft where there's perceived to be a talent dropoff somewhere around 8-10 + teams sitting at 15/16/19 willing to consolidate two firsts into a late lottery pick...conditions seem ripe for us to be in the mix there

Demin and Drake are the two players the Bulls have been most connected too.

IMO Johnson is exactly the wrong sort of player to add to the roster. Sure 3pt shooting is helpful, but we to focus on adding a 3-D POA or defensive/rim running C. It's almost like adding another Coby. I was surprised to see he's 29. What would folks think about Vuc + Pat + Terry + 12 + Por 1st for Claxton + Johnson + 19?