2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Negrodamus]

I did like that lost in the chart of halfcourt layup looks was me pumping DQ/Kasparas extremely hard, but was called out for pumping Kon.

[Black Mage]

Former RealGM great Derek Bodner has Tre #3 on his big board. Smart man.

Take that, Leon!

It's not a surprise. Derek has been irrational this entire draft period in his views. First stating he wanted to straddle a win now approach with building for future while admitting there is no win now if Joel's not ready and he doesn't know if Joel will be ready. To wanting to trade back b/c he hates the options at 3 but likes them better if drafting at 5 or 6 (um it's the same options Derek, just less to choose from b/c you let someone else with some balls make the tough call). To stating the team needs two-way talent and that offense only guards get played off the court in the playoffs and then saying Tre's his man.

I think he’s done his homework over these last 3 weeks and has come to the proper conclusion. Let’s not overthink this.

Want more proof that Derek isn't thinking rationally?

Someone posted a quote from him about Ace without saying anything negative, just providing what Derek said into a Sixers subreddit and Derek actually responded to the post to to defend himself, even tho no one really posted anything against him.

He's in his own head at this point over Ace and whatever backlash he first got from those posting on PHLY.

[76thBearCub]

I don't hate Ace I'm a fan

In what way?

Big shoot make shot

Sold

[Black Mage]

I'd say Tre is less crafty with the ball going to the rim than Kon Knueppel is which is saying something.

I think his year at Texas was just a weird year for him in that aspect. Watching him in HS he was better/more crafty at the rim. He showed flashes at Texas but I agree it wasn’t consistent enough.

Alternative thought, facing bigger and stronger competition affected his ability to abuse smaller and weaker competition when trying to drive.

[Negrodamus]

Read on Twitter

?s=46

Interesting Wolf is at the top.

[Arsenal]

Read on Twitter

?s=46

Interesting Wolf is at the top.

Everything I've heard says Wolf is not a good defender. DBPM is a terrible stat anyway. I believe it just takes total BPM and subtracts OBPM, and doesn't directly measure defense at all.

[Black Mage]

No he'd average 40. Greatest Euro player of all time.

Big facts

We should create a poll: Would Ace score 40ppg overseas?

Ace haters will be punching air, smashing their heads against the walls over the poll results.

I'd actually be voting no in that poll so there ya go.

[Black Mage]

You know what's going to be F"?:ing hysterical?

We'll trade down with NOP and take Kasper and all this fighting will be for nothing LOL

Even better, a lot of the anti-Morey people will have to start defending him b/c he took their guy while the pro-Morey folks will have pitchforks out for him.

[Negrodamus]

Big facts

We should create a poll: Would Ace score 40ppg overseas?

Ace haters will be punching air, smashing their heads against the walls over the poll results.

I'd actually be voting no in that poll so there ya go.

Brave to admit that. 40ppg was 30ppg too high.

[Black Mage]

Do you think that applies in February and March too? Because Harper's numbers look fine there, while Ace looks like someone who should return for another year.

I assume the book was out on how to defend Rutgers by Feb. Just crowd and double/triple Ace since no one else can shoot or space the floor. Meanwhile, Harper gets to put up nice looking numbers since Ace is taking away the defensive attention.

More fanfic. Double AND triple teamed? Alright.

Not commenting on this back and forth except to address this. Yes, Ace was double and triple teamed. It's not hard to watch video and see it, it's right there on the screen.

[76ciology]

I keep seeing people say Bailey’s floor is a 3&D wing.

But isn’t the bar for 3&D guys a lot higher now? It’s not just about standing in the corner and hitting open shots anymore. You’ve got to be able to read the defense, put the ball on the floor, drive, pass, and make decisions. That’s why a lot of teams are leaning toward 6’4”–6’6” guards (Lu Dort or Nesmith types) with long wingspans, guys who can actually read, dribble, shoot, and pass. On top of that, with the league allowing more physicality, they can hold their own. They’re proving to be better alternatives than the traditional raw 3&D wing.

[Black Mage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/1l6ihkb/nondunk_rim_fg_vs_t50_competition_knueppel_66/

Ignore the two guys in the top right of the chart. Is >60% FG and >90 attempts good?

Wait, why are dunks excluded in this chart?

Do they count for less than 2 points now?

Was this chart made just to elevate certain players by removing another way of scoring at the rim?

Dunks create energy and momentum for teams and fans, maybe the should count for 2.5 half points?

[Black Mage]

This draft is the perfect Petri dish for confirmation bias. Every player at 3 has potentially fatal flaws and theoretically enormous upside. I’ve somehow found myself in the anti-Tre camp and nothing can change my mind that he’s a 6th man of the year candidate at best.

I am happy that we got the nickname Casper Nipples from tonight tho. Honestly makes me want to draft him more now.

I just want the Sixers to get the pick right. If that means I eat a dump truck full of crow b/c whoever we take pans out and Ace busts, I'll happily do it b/c at least our team didn't blow it.

It'd be nice to not blow it on a Top 3 pick and land someone who both excels and stays healthy. Just once I want to have a nice thing.

[Iverson Armband]

I keep seeing people say Bailey’s floor is a 3&D wing.

But isn’t the bar for 3&D guys a lot higher now? It’s not just about standing in the corner and hitting open shots anymore. You’ve got to be able to read the defense, put the ball on the floor, drive, pass, and make decisions. That’s why a lot of teams are leaning toward 6’4”–6’6” guards (Lu Dort or Nesmith types) with long wingspans, guys who can actually read, dribble, shoot, and pass. On top of that, with the league allowing more physicality, they can hold their own. They’re proving to be better alternatives than the traditional raw 3&D wing.

Covington and Andre Robertson would be damn near unplayable today on a championship team.

[Negrodamus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/1l6ihkb/nondunk_rim_fg_vs_t50_competition_knueppel_66/

Ignore the two guys in the top right of the chart. Is >60% FG and >90 attempts good?

Wait, why are dunks excluded in this chart?

Do they count for less than 2 points now?

Was this chart made just to elevate certain players by removing another way of scoring at the rim?

Dunks create energy and momentum for teams and fans, maybe the should count for 2.5 half points?

Layups suggest touch around the rim since dunks aren’t exactly easy to come by in halfcourt offense.

[Black Mage]

I was pounding the table for Tatum as the best player in that draft and he was hardly a distributor. But despite having to fight with Kennard and Allen to have the ball, he was still a >10 AST% because he has some distribution chops. Despite being off ball quite a bit, he found ways to get to the line. Despite having a mediocre 3FG%, he had the volume and an excellent FT%, so I wasn’t worried.

Now do Ace, and try to do it without making excuses for his team, having to share with Harper, etc, because honestly, I can’t be sold on a guy at three that you need to explain away his season to me. Sorry, I’ll happily be wrong and eat crow when he’s a superstar, but that very, very rarely happens. Like Jaylen Brown, if you consider him a superstar, was an unlikely stud by statistical standpoint. But do we want to bet on the anomaly with this pick?

You'd think it would be easier to get assists passing the ball on a stacked Duke team to Luke Kennard, Grayson Allen, Frank Jackson, Harry Giles and Amile Jefferson instead of the trash at Rutgers, but I guess that's just an excuse in your book.

Oh but why did Ace choose Rutgers then you'll say? I concede the point, Ace didn't pick the best college team for himself as a high school senior. His team choosing skills as a 17-year-old are subpar.

So we like him because of what he could possibly be if his team wasn’t holding him back?

Do you have failed potential assists? Do you have clips that show he’s being triple teamed? Do you have data showing the defense packing the paint, preventing him from getting rim looks?

Wait... Tatum was fighting for dominance against the likes of Kennard, Allen, Jackson, Giles and Amile Jefferson????

Seriously, he couldn't command 1st at the food-line against that pathetic scrub lineup? That's like one of the weakest Duke rosters I've seen in the last 20 years. So yeah, him not standing out was a red flag.

[Black Mage]

I keep seeing people say Bailey’s floor is a 3&D wing.

But isn’t the bar for 3&D guys a lot higher now? It’s not just about standing in the corner and hitting open shots anymore. You’ve got to be able to read the defense, put the ball on the floor, drive, pass, and make decisions. That’s why a lot of teams are leaning toward 6’4”–6’6” guards (Lu Dort or Nesmith types) with long wingspans, guys who can actually read, dribble, shoot, and pass. On top of that, with the league allowing more physicality, they can hold their own. They’re proving to be better alternatives than the traditional raw 3&D wing.

So 3&D guards is what you want?

How's Tre's.... oh nevermind, I'm not sure he realizes there's a second half to the court.

How's Kon.... oh he's a traffic cone and T-rex's go to stand next to him to feel better about their wingspan.

[Negrodamus]

You'd think it would be easier to get assists passing the ball on a stacked Duke team to Luke Kennard, Grayson Allen, Frank Jackson, Harry Giles and Amile Jefferson instead of the trash at Rutgers, but I guess that's just an excuse in your book.

Oh but why did Ace choose Rutgers then you'll say? I concede the point, Ace didn't pick the best college team for himself as a high school senior. His team choosing skills as a 17-year-old are subpar.

So we like him because of what he could possibly be if his team wasn’t holding him back?

Do you have failed potential assists? Do you have clips that show he’s being triple teamed? Do you have data showing the defense packing the paint, preventing him from getting rim looks?

Wait... Tatum was fighting for dominance against the likes of Kennard, Allen, Jackson, Giles and Amile Jefferson????

Seriously, he couldn't command 1st at the food-line against that pathetic scrub lineup? That's like one of the weakest Duke rosters I've seen in the last 20 years. So yeah, him not standing out was a red flag.

Pretty disqualifying to say Kennard and Allen were scrubs at Duke, if I’m being honest. I suggest going back and peeping their impact.

[Black Mage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/1l6ihkb/nondunk_rim_fg_vs_t50_competition_knueppel_66/

Ignore the two guys in the top right of the chart. Is >60% FG and >90 attempts good?

Wait, why are dunks excluded in this chart?

Do they count for less than 2 points now?

Was this chart made just to elevate certain players by removing another way of scoring at the rim?

Dunks create energy and momentum for teams and fans, maybe the should count for 2.5 half points?

Layups suggest touch around the rim since dunks aren’t exactly easy to come by in halfcourt offense.

What about floaters and teardrops were they included? This is feeling an awful lot like a very precise method of pumping up a certain type of player while downing others.

[Negrodamus]

The pick is def going to be Ace because we almost always take the prospect I fear the most inside the top 5.