Offseason 2025 Thread

[SWedd523]

And they were extremely unwatchable for at least half of the year

So we should keep him or else the thing that would have happened with him (someone else starting half the games) will also happen without him?

Not tracking the logic there.

It seems fairly clear?

You cannot move Mark unless you get a legit replacement (not the Duke kid) because the team is unwatchable with Nurkic starting.

[yosemiteben]

And they were extremely unwatchable for at least half of the year

So we should keep him or else the thing that would have happened with him (someone else starting half the games) will also happen without him?

Not tracking the logic there.

It seems fairly clear?

You cannot move Mark unless you get a legit replacement (not the Duke kid) because the team is unwatchable with Nurkic starting.

"Watchability" is obviously pretty subjective, but I didn't think we were unwatchable in the fall before he came back.

I enjoyed watching those games much more than the 9-35 that we were in games he played after he came back. Not that the losing was all on him, and the bigger issue was missing like half the roster, but it feels like revisionist history to say we were unwatchable when he didn't play.

[fatlever]

nurk isnt gonna win you games, but i actually enjoy watching him play. he's pretty fun. he can pass, hes great screener, he's a hoss, rebounds in traffic. fun stuff.

i enjoy watching moose play more than anyone other than melo/miller so...

watching mark play isnt super high on my enjoyment meter. watching mark try to defend isnt fun. watching him shrink every 1st q isnt fun.

who gives us best chance to win in future? - hopefully mark.

[Rays Pompadour]

nurk isnt gonna win you games, but i actually enjoy watching him play. he's pretty fun. he can pass, hes great screener, he's a hoss, rebounds in traffic. fun stuff.

i enjoy watching moose play more than anyone other than melo/miller so...

watching mark play isnt super high on my enjoyment meter. watching mark try to defend isnt fun. watching him shrink every 1st q isnt fun.

who gives us best chance to win in future? - hopefully mark.

Me, too. His player profile is ideal for today's NBA because of his recovery speed, athleticism, decently good understanding of spacing (especially on the defensive end) and his desire to dominate in his area. His height, length, weight, athleticism and emerging BBIQ fit the modern center profile. We'd like to see him develop an offensive game that would make him a rotation player and not just a situational bench big.

[Diop]

nurk isnt gonna win you games, but i actually enjoy watching him play. he's pretty fun. he can pass, hes great screener, he's a hoss, rebounds in traffic. fun stuff.

i enjoy watching moose play more than anyone other than melo/miller so...

watching mark play isnt super high on my enjoyment meter. watching mark try to defend isnt fun. watching him shrink every 1st q isnt fun.

who gives us best chance to win in future? - hopefully mark.

Me, too. His player profile is ideal for today's NBA because of his recovery speed, athleticism, decently good understanding of spacing (especially on the defensive end) and his desire to dominate in his area. His height, length, weight, athleticism and emerging BBIQ fit the modern center profile. We'd like to see him develop an offensive game that would make him a rotation player and not just a situational bench big.

if he develops a consistent 3 point shot, we're going to wish we locked him in for longer. As he will be worth %%

[JMAC3]

I don't get the hype of Moussa developing a three, that is as baseless as any player development hope as I have seen in some time.

College 3/14 from three and 62% from FT
Gleague 1/9 from three and 56% from FT
NBA 1/8 from three and 60% from FT

16% is about as low as someone can possibly shoot along with absolutely no volume and terrible touch from Free Throw line. Moussa is 23 yrs old too, so it would be like picking a 5th yr college senior in this draft with these stats with the hopes of developing them into a stretch 5.

If Charlotte wants a stretch 5 they would be better off trying to develop almost any other big in this draft class over what Moussa has consistently shown shooting the ball.

[Diop]

I don't get the hype of Moussa developing a three, that is as baseless as any player development hope as I have seen in some time.

College 3/14 from three and 62% from FT
Gleague 1/9 from three and 56% from FT
NBA 1/8 from three and 60% from FT

16% is about as low as someone can possibly shoot along with absolutely no volume and terrible touch from Free Throw line. Moussa is 23 yrs old too, so it would be like picking a 5th yr college senior in this draft with these stats with the hopes of developing them into a stretch 5.

If Charlotte wants a stretch 5 they would be better off trying to develop almost any other big in this draft class over what Moussa has consistently shown shooting the ball.

i think everyone should be able to develop an outside shot if they practiced enough, thats my thinking. im probably wrong, but whatevs
i truly believed Shaq should have been more dominant than he was, but he never bothered to learn how to shoot properly.

[Diop]

i think my new offseason plan is a good cycle of PED's for Lamelo and Mark.

get them in bursting with muscle to rage across the NBA.

[HornetJail]

I don't get the hype of Moussa developing a three, that is as baseless as any player development hope as I have seen in some time.

College 3/14 from three and 62% from FT
Gleague 1/9 from three and 56% from FT
NBA 1/8 from three and 60% from FT

16% is about as low as someone can possibly shoot along with absolutely no volume and terrible touch from Free Throw line. Moussa is 23 yrs old too, so it would be like picking a 5th yr college senior in this draft with these stats with the hopes of developing them into a stretch 5.

If Charlotte wants a stretch 5 they would be better off trying to develop almost any other big in this draft class over what Moussa has consistently shown shooting the ball.

i think everyone should be able to develop an outside shot if they practiced enough, thats my thinking. im probably wrong, but whatevs
i truly believed Shaq should have been more dominant than he was, but he never bothered to learn how to shoot properly.

i don't agree with it. some people just don't have the right hand eye coordination to become an actual nba-level shooter. There's no reason to believe either Moose or Mark is going to magically come out firing jumpers. (Moose far less so than Mark)

[JMAC3]

I don't get the hype of Moussa developing a three, that is as baseless as any player development hope as I have seen in some time.

College 3/14 from three and 62% from FT
Gleague 1/9 from three and 56% from FT
NBA 1/8 from three and 60% from FT

16% is about as low as someone can possibly shoot along with absolutely no volume and terrible touch from Free Throw line. Moussa is 23 yrs old too, so it would be like picking a 5th yr college senior in this draft with these stats with the hopes of developing them into a stretch 5.

If Charlotte wants a stretch 5 they would be better off trying to develop almost any other big in this draft class over what Moussa has consistently shown shooting the ball.

i think everyone should be able to develop an outside shot if they practiced enough, thats my thinking. im probably wrong, but whatevs
i truly believed Shaq should have been more dominant than he was, but he never bothered to learn how to shoot properly.

i don't agree with it. some people just don't have the right hand eye coordination to become an actual nba-level shooter. There's no reason to believe either Moose or Mark is going to magically come out firing jumpers. (Moose far less so than Mark)

There is just nothing about Moussa game that says he has any type of touch or finesse.
4%th percentile in FT shooting.
11%th percentile in Assist %
17%th percentile in Turnover %

At least with Mark he has shown touch in FT% and showed growth as a passer.
80% free throw, 58th%
62nd% in assist%
51st% in turnover%

As mentioned hard to find a center in this draft class that I think that projects as a worse outside shooter than Moussa, so yeah I don't think he is one off-season away from being able to play the 4. Honestly, he is a fun energy big, I get people like him but also think people are so desperate to oversell him as something he isn't.

[HornetJail]

exactly, he should stick to what he does best, and hone in on being the best rebounder and most versatile defender he can be. And clean up his finishing ability and free throws before he even thinks about trying to extend his range. Offensively, he is about as close to Bismack as it gets. Although I've been encouraged that he looked like 2015 Biz offensively by the end of the season instead of rookie Bobcats Biz like he did early in the season.

i don't think Moose is ever going to be skilled enough to play more than 20mpg on a team trying to do anything, but he'll give you 10-15 valuable bench minutes eventually

[Diop]

people are so desperate

just finish there, we are so desperate for something positive.

[LofJ]

As always with this organization, keep your expectations low.

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[hoopsfan777]

New Orleans outgoing

CJ McCollum

Charlotte outgoing

Bridges
#33
#34

[JMAC3]

New Orleans outgoing

CJ McCollum

Charlotte outgoing

Bridges
#33
#34

Nah we will pass on this.

[yosemiteben]

New Orleans outgoing

CJ McCollum

Charlotte outgoing

Bridges
#33
#34

Nah we will pass on this.

Yeah I'm not sure what the motivation would be. Miles was much better the second half of last season and his contract steps down over the next two years. McCollum turns 34 before next season and he's expiring, so he's clearly not a part of any long term plans, not trying to get older and lose picks in the process.

[JustBuzzin]

I wouldn't trade Miles straight up for CJ. If anyone is adding picks it would be New Orleans.

[MPM]

I'll counter with Nurkic for Murphy straight up.

[Liver_Pooty]

New Orleans outgoing

CJ McCollum

Charlotte outgoing

Bridges
#33
#34

Nah we will pass on this.

lol that’s an understatement

[Diop]

As always with this organization, keep your expectations low.

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unless they start selling draft picks, which seems very unlikely, we don't have a huge amount to trade with.