What would you give for Garland ?

[JujitsuFlip]

He would give them another ballhandler next to SGA and someone who can create looks when he isn't on the court.

I don't think the money is a deal breaker since caruso and wiggins figure to make 30-35M during that same period. Is Caruso and Wiggins too much? Maybe just throwing out a potential fit.

Caruso and Wiggins isn't enough hahaha

Plus SGA hated playing with Giddey because he told Presti 'i am a PG'.

I wouldn’t trade those two for Garland if I were OKC, and I’d bet those two would make Cleveland into a better overall team.

OKC is about to win the title and have two 2025 1st rounders, they aren't trading anyone unless its a low end guy to clear a roster spot.

[DowJones]

To Portland for Simons, Thybulle, #11?

Simons gives some of the shooting/scoring back, same age, a little bigger, expiring. Thybulle if healthy, and if injuries haven’t sapped his ability is a good defender, but is mainly expiring (I assume he’ll opt in to play for a contender).

Basically clears the long-term salary, gives some playable now pieces, and their favorite cost-controlled prospect at 11.

For Portland, they get a stronger play maker/assist guy to go with their young core, don’t lose anything in the scoring department, and get value out of their expirings.

Do I love it for either team? Not really, but we’re spitballing ideas and as I already posted, he’s tough to trade for both the Cavs and the receiving team.

This doesn’t help Cleveland. The Cavs need some longer 3’s and 4’s. Does Portland have any of those? And Grant doesn’t do much for me.

[Wingy]

OKC is about to win the title and have two 2025 1st rounders, they aren't trading anyone unless its a low end guy to clear a roster spot.

Sure, but more responding to the person’s idea, and just the theoretical. You said it wasn’t enough, and I still think they’d improve Cleveland.

[mcfly1204]

To Portland for Simons, Thybulle, #11?

Simons gives some of the shooting/scoring back, same age, a little bigger, expiring. Thybulle if healthy, and if injuries haven’t sapped his ability is a good defender, but is mainly expiring (I assume he’ll opt in to play for a contender).

Basically clears the long-term salary, gives some playable now pieces, and their favorite cost-controlled prospect at 11.

For Portland, they get a stronger play maker/assist guy to go with their young core, don’t lose anything in the scoring department, and get value out of their expirings.

Do I love it for either team? Not really, but we’re spitballing ideas and as I already posted, he’s tough to trade for both the Cavs and the receiving team.

This doesn’t help Cleveland. The Cavs need some longer 3’s and 4’s. Does Portland have any of those? And Grant doesn’t do much for me.

The only real wing of value is Deni, and Portland fans will be quick to tell you he's untouchable.

[Wingy]

Spoiler:

To Portland for Simons, Thybulle, #11?

Simons gives some of the shooting/scoring back, same age, a little bigger, expiring. Thybulle if healthy, and if injuries haven’t sapped his ability is a good defender, but is mainly expiring (I assume he’ll opt in to play for a contender).

Basically clears the long-term salary, gives some playable now pieces, and their favorite cost-controlled prospect at 11.

For Portland, they get a stronger play maker/assist guy to go with their young core, don’t lose anything in the scoring department, and get value out of their expirings.

Do I love it for either team? Not really, but we’re spitballing ideas and as I already posted, he’s tough to trade for both the Cavs and the receiving team.

This doesn’t help Cleveland. The Cavs need some longer 3’s and 4’s. Does Portland have any of those? And Grant doesn’t do much for me.

I’m not a Portland fan, just looking for trade ideas that didn’t seem 100% ridiculous. Figure that longer 3/4 is the type Cleveland would draft at 11 in this scenario.

Garland’s tough to get equal value, and yet not valuable enough to get what the Cavs need on his own at his salary, size, defensive limitations, and good, but not great availability (and now surgery)…and would any receiving team be able to hold his minutes down like Cavs did this year (most games played in his career)?

I just look down the list of teams, and I don’t see the need for a guy like Garland. For instance, I’ve read Trey Murphy in this thread, but I’m not moving a prototypical two-way wing locked up on a solid to good contract for a small PG, even if he’s been an all star in the East. Maybe if Cleveland’s willing to send their only tradable first? Still don’t know…guys like that are about as valuable as they come outside perennial all stars and above.

[JujitsuFlip]

OKC is about to win the title and have two 2025 1st rounders, they aren't trading anyone unless its a low end guy to clear a roster spot.

Sure, but more responding to the person’s idea, and just the theoretical. You said it wasn’t enough, and I still think they’d improve Cleveland.

I mean, it's not.

Caruso is good but he's a 6th man, so you're losing your 2x AS PG for 2 bench players, it's just not good enough. Wiggins efficiency went down, with volume.

Not only that, the money doesn't even work.

That would be equivalent of me saying i wanna trade Okoro and Dean Wade for Jaren Jackson Jr and that should be sufficient enough lol

[shi-woo]

They're all better than Garland based on what? You being a Celtics fan? lol

More successful? I'll ask again, what have Fox and Murray ever accomplished in their careers? Really truly, put Dame in there too.

Harden went to the Finals 13 years ago as a bench player. Yes he won a MVP but he was also 9 years older than current Garland when he got traded. He was fat. He gets hunted just like Trae and Garland. And as i told you, he was expiring.

Kyrie won a ring with LeBron, as a 2nd option, he's did nothing else in his career. Was 8 years older than current Garland, expiring, and massive off court drama.

Derrick White accomplished exactly nothing until joining a stacked Boston team.

Jrue has won 2 rings now but he's always like the 4th best player on those teams, at best, he's a role player. And yet again i tell you, was expiring, old as dirt, etc etc.

P.S. it's hilarious you say Garland and Mitchell can't work together yet they just won 64 games together before both getting hurt in May. Jerome is also an UFA but i wouldn't expect you to know/care, as it doesn't fit your narrative.

what did I just read in bolded part? So you think Garland is better than Kyrie, Fox, White, Harden, Murray, Dame and Jrue?

Hmm.

Do i think he's better than a 35 year old Harden? Yes, the efficiency isn't close.

Fox, yes, as I've said before what has this guy ever did in his career? I'm a UK guy, i know he's quick but no, give me Garland. I can't have my PG shooting 27% from deep.

Dame is 35 and has a torn Achilles, yes, I easily believe Garland is better going forward.

Jrue is 35 and has one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Plus his production fell off this season. With the context, yes, I'm taking Garland.

Kyrie is 33 and has a torn ACL. Us Cavs fans love Kyrie but at this point in both their careers, I'm taking Garland, i don't even have to think twice about it. Kyrie is an expiring contract too.

Dejounte Murray is a tough one for me because with the Achilles tear, he may be 30 by the time he's all way back. He's never been a great shooter, i think with the context, I'm taking Garland.

White is the only guy mentioned that i believe is more valuable than Garland. Idc who is 'better' but to me White is more valuable. He won a title in 2024 and went to the Finals in 2022, like he's proved it, to me. The caveat here is, he was not that guy when the Celtics traded for him. So the poster i quoted trying to use White's trade as a barometer for what a 25 year old 2x All-Star locked up for 3 more years goes for, is flawed logic, in my book.

But none of those things were known when those trades were made, so what point are you trying to make?

Can you show me any recent trades, especially for guards, that show the value you are expecting? I feel like i've done my part in showing the precedent and coming up with trade offers.

And please, do not hit me with the Donovan Mitchell/Luka level trades/value.

Butler, KP, Allen, Pascal, and BI are all players traded recently that are also arguably better than Garland, and went for what i'm propossing, or much much less.

I think you're just trolling at this point

[Wingy]

OKC is about to win the title and have two 2025 1st rounders, they aren't trading anyone unless its a low end guy to clear a roster spot.

Sure, but more responding to the person’s idea, and just the theoretical. You said it wasn’t enough, and I still think they’d improve Cleveland.

I mean, it's not.

Caruso is good but he's a 6th man, so you're losing your 2x AS PG for 2 bench players, it's just not good enough. Wiggins efficiency went down, with volume.

Not only that, the money doesn't even work.

That would be equivalent of me saying i wanna trade Okoro and Dean Wade for Jaren Jackson Jr and that should be sufficient enough lol

You’re clearly a fan overvaluing one of your own guys. It happens.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Suggs for Garland makes a ton of sense for both teams. Magic are desperate for a PG and Cavs need a defender next to Mitchell

I think Brooks, Whitmore and Sheppard for Garland would be a great fit for both teams as Cavs need defense next to Mitchell who can run the offense and Sheppard can be the backup with Whitmore backing up wings. Rockets would turn down the FVV club option

[Blacksheep25]

If I knew Suggs was going to be even as healthy as Garland I’d do it. He’s the exact type.

[GopherIt!]

This dude can’t stay healthy, Cleveland was smart to shop him. Hes there to stay now and subsequently this injury almost forces Cleveland to try to retain Jerome by all means necessary.

Read on Twitter

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This is not a new injury. He played through that injury in the playoffs.

I can get you a toe dude.

[gavran]

This dude can’t stay healthy, Cleveland was smart to shop him. Hes there to stay now and subsequently this injury almost forces Cleveland to try to retain Jerome by all means necessary.

Read on Twitter

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This is not a new injury. He played through that injury in the playoffs.

I can get you a toe dude.

Jared McCain then?

[Chuck Everett]

This dude can’t stay healthy, Cleveland was smart to shop him. Hes there to stay now and subsequently this injury almost forces Cleveland to try to retain Jerome by all means necessary.

Read on Twitter

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This is not a new injury. He played through that injury in the playoffs.

I can get you a toe dude.

[JujitsuFlip]

what did I just read in bolded part? So you think Garland is better than Kyrie, Fox, White, Harden, Murray, Dame and Jrue?

Hmm.

Do i think he's better than a 35 year old Harden? Yes, the efficiency isn't close.

Fox, yes, as I've said before what has this guy ever did in his career? I'm a UK guy, i know he's quick but no, give me Garland. I can't have my PG shooting 27% from deep.

Dame is 35 and has a torn Achilles, yes, I easily believe Garland is better going forward.

Jrue is 35 and has one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Plus his production fell off this season. With the context, yes, I'm taking Garland.

Kyrie is 33 and has a torn ACL. Us Cavs fans love Kyrie but at this point in both their careers, I'm taking Garland, i don't even have to think twice about it. Kyrie is an expiring contract too.

Dejounte Murray is a tough one for me because with the Achilles tear, he may be 30 by the time he's all way back. He's never been a great shooter, i think with the context, I'm taking Garland.

White is the only guy mentioned that i believe is more valuable than Garland. Idc who is 'better' but to me White is more valuable. He won a title in 2024 and went to the Finals in 2022, like he's proved it, to me. The caveat here is, he was not that guy when the Celtics traded for him. So the poster i quoted trying to use White's trade as a barometer for what a 25 year old 2x All-Star locked up for 3 more years goes for, is flawed logic, in my book.

But none of those things were known when those trades were made, so what point are you trying to make?

Can you show me any recent trades, especially for guards, that show the value you are expecting? I feel like i've done my part in showing the precedent and coming up with trade offers.

And please, do not hit me with the Donovan Mitchell/Luka level trades/value.

Butler, KP, Allen, Pascal, and BI are all players traded recently that are also arguably better than Garland, and went for what i'm propossing, or much much less.

I think you're just trolling at this point

Buddy you're the troll. You're using expiring guys and/or guys in their mid 30s as examples for what you think a 25 year old 2x All-Star with 3 years left on his deal should go for...

You're comparing apples to hammers.

[JujitsuFlip]

Sure, but more responding to the person’s idea, and just the theoretical. You said it wasn’t enough, and I still think they’d improve Cleveland.

I mean, it's not.

Caruso is good but he's a 6th man, so you're losing your 2x AS PG for 2 bench players, it's just not good enough. Wiggins efficiency went down, with volume.

Not only that, the money doesn't even work.

That would be equivalent of me saying i wanna trade Okoro and Dean Wade for Jaren Jackson Jr and that should be sufficient enough lol

You’re clearly a fan overvaluing one of your own guys. It happens.

A 25 year old 2x All-Star with 3 years left on his deal should be over valued lol

[DowJones]

Spoiler:

To Portland for Simons, Thybulle, #11?

Simons gives some of the shooting/scoring back, same age, a little bigger, expiring. Thybulle if healthy, and if injuries haven’t sapped his ability is a good defender, but is mainly expiring (I assume he’ll opt in to play for a contender).

Basically clears the long-term salary, gives some playable now pieces, and their favorite cost-controlled prospect at 11.

For Portland, they get a stronger play maker/assist guy to go with their young core, don’t lose anything in the scoring department, and get value out of their expirings.

Do I love it for either team? Not really, but we’re spitballing ideas and as I already posted, he’s tough to trade for both the Cavs and the receiving team.

This doesn’t help Cleveland. The Cavs need some longer 3’s and 4’s. Does Portland have any of those? And Grant doesn’t do much for me.

I’m not a Portland fan, just looking for trade ideas that didn’t seem 100% ridiculous. Figure that longer 3/4 is the type Cleveland would draft at 11 in this scenario.

Garland’s tough to get equal value, and yet not valuable enough to get what the Cavs need on his own at his salary, size, defensive limitations, and good, but not great availability (and now surgery)…and would any receiving team be able to hold his minutes down like Cavs did this year (most games played in his career)?

I just look down the list of teams, and I don’t see the need for a guy like Garland. For instance, I’ve read Trey Murphy in this thread, but I’m not moving a prototypical two-way wing locked up on a solid to good contract for a small PG, even if he’s been an all star in the East. Maybe if Cleveland’s willing to send their only tradable first? Still don’t know…guys like that are about as valuable as they come outside perennial all stars and above.

Cleveland is trying to get to the NBA Finals now. What good will the 11th pick in the draft do? Maybe if Portland has a 3 and D type of 3/4 with the 11th pick is an option if the Cavs could get Cam Johnson for the 11th pick.

[HMFFL]

I still think the best fit is OKC. They have the size where he wouldn't hurt them as much and are full of wings who can defend which would be attractive to Cle.

How about the bald eagle and Wiggins?

Why would OKC want Garland's contract on their books? Garland being listed at 6'1" lacks appeal.

25/26 $39,446,090
26/27 $42,166,510
27/28 44,886,930

He would give them another ballhandler next to SGA and someone who can create looks when he isn't on the court.

I don't think the money is a deal breaker since caruso and wiggins figure to make 30-35M during that same period. Is Caruso and Wiggins too much? Maybe just throwing out a potential fit.

OKC has no need for Garland.

Their top 3 talents are SGA, Jalen Williams, and Chet. All three average double digit shot attempts. OKC currently has three players averaging double digits. That possibly will change next season.

Championship teams have a max of four players that average double digit attempts.

I will take Aaron Wiggins over Darius Garland. Wiggins averaged 9.6 attempts per game this season. That may slightly increase next season, same for Chet, but Garland serves no purpose.

Wiggins:
25/26 $9,672,897
26/27 $8,831,776
27/28 $7,990,655
28/29 $7,990,655 (Club Option)

Garland
25/26 $39,446,090
26/27 $42,166,510
27/28 44,886,930

[azcatz11]

Hmm.

Do i think he's better than a 35 year old Harden? Yes, the efficiency isn't close.

Fox, yes, as I've said before what has this guy ever did in his career? I'm a UK guy, i know he's quick but no, give me Garland. I can't have my PG shooting 27% from deep.

Dame is 35 and has a torn Achilles, yes, I easily believe Garland is better going forward.

Jrue is 35 and has one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Plus his production fell off this season. With the context, yes, I'm taking Garland.

Kyrie is 33 and has a torn ACL. Us Cavs fans love Kyrie but at this point in both their careers, I'm taking Garland, i don't even have to think twice about it. Kyrie is an expiring contract too.

Dejounte Murray is a tough one for me because with the Achilles tear, he may be 30 by the time he's all way back. He's never been a great shooter, i think with the context, I'm taking Garland.

White is the only guy mentioned that i believe is more valuable than Garland. Idc who is 'better' but to me White is more valuable. He won a title in 2024 and went to the Finals in 2022, like he's proved it, to me. The caveat here is, he was not that guy when the Celtics traded for him. So the poster i quoted trying to use White's trade as a barometer for what a 25 year old 2x All-Star locked up for 3 more years goes for, is flawed logic, in my book.

But none of those things were known when those trades were made, so what point are you trying to make?

Can you show me any recent trades, especially for guards, that show the value you are expecting? I feel like i've done my part in showing the precedent and coming up with trade offers.

And please, do not hit me with the Donovan Mitchell/Luka level trades/value.

Butler, KP, Allen, Pascal, and BI are all players traded recently that are also arguably better than Garland, and went for what i'm propossing, or much much less.

I think you're just trolling at this point

Buddy you're the troll. You're using expiring guys and/or guys in their mid 30s as examples for what you think a 25 year old 2x All-Star with 3 years left on his deal should go for...

You're comparing apples to hammers.

How is he trolling? Garland is so sleight. His game falls apart in the PO's because he can't handle the PO whistle and can't finish at the rim when they allow more contact.

Good regular season player. But if he's not hitting 3's he's streaky as hell.

[Iwasawitness]

Why would OKC want Garland's contract on their books? Garland being listed at 6'1" lacks appeal.

25/26 $39,446,090
26/27 $42,166,510
27/28 44,886,930

He would give them another ballhandler next to SGA and someone who can create looks when he isn't on the court.

I don't think the money is a deal breaker since caruso and wiggins figure to make 30-35M during that same period. Is Caruso and Wiggins too much? Maybe just throwing out a potential fit.

Caruso and Wiggins isn't enough hahaha

Plus SGA hated playing with Giddey because he told Presti 'i am a PG'.

Caruso and Wiggins is definitely enough.

[mcfly1204]

He would give them another ballhandler next to SGA and someone who can create looks when he isn't on the court.

I don't think the money is a deal breaker since caruso and wiggins figure to make 30-35M during that same period. Is Caruso and Wiggins too much? Maybe just throwing out a potential fit.

Caruso and Wiggins isn't enough hahaha

Plus SGA hated playing with Giddey because he told Presti 'i am a PG'.

Caruso and Wiggins is definitely enough.

Two backups for your 25 year old, two-time All-Star PG is enough?