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mpharris36 wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Relax!!!!!!!!
They haven't even made a move yet...outside of firing a guy they thought they couldn't win a championship with.
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Like I said Mp!!!!!!!!
Same old Knicks!!!!!!!!!!!
Smdh!!!!!!!!!
Same old knicks because they want Jason Kidd?
GONYK wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Gravy wrote:Compare this weird coaching search with the one we did back in 2020. Leon did not move in silence like people are saying now, they had interviews that we all knew about.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/06/2020-nba-head-coaching-search-tracker.html
The Knicks are doing this coaching search very differently from when we went to hire Thibs. Everyone around the league feels like the Knicks have no plan besides trying to get coaches who are under contract with other teams.. which is very unrealistic to make happen.
It's not unrealistic if the coach you are trying to pursue also wants to leave for your team.
It wouldn't even be the first time its happened with Kidd.
GONYK wrote:NiceLikeChrist wrote:Can we at least get some type of video breakdown or insight into why Kidd would be a good fit? People who have followed his coaching career?
We have some decent insight into Bryant and it seems like it’s more along the lines of what would benefit the team. What does Kidd bring besides his name?
No we don't. Everything around Bryant is speculation and inference.
But here is a Kidd video
NiceLikeChrist wrote:We are going to deeply regret this. We traded away the best player in the trade and still had to give up a great role player AND a pick?
so many people are going to eat their words about randle
GONYK wrote:Every coach is going to ISO Brunson. He's one of the best ISO players in the league.
You know who also ISO'd more than Thibs? Deignault. Why? Because he has one of the best ISO players in the league.
3toheadmelo wrote:GONYK wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:The Knicks are doing this coaching search very differently from when we went to hire Thibs. Everyone around the league feels like the Knicks have no plan besides trying to get coaches who are under contract with other teams.. which is very unrealistic to make happen.
It's not unrealistic if the coach you are trying to pursue also wants to leave for your team.
It wouldn't even be the first time its happened with Kidd.
From my understanding, it doesn’t seem like he really wants to leave though, and I’m not sure if the Mavs will even give us permission for our request. Just going based off what Marc Stein has been saying, who could be wrong. But this definitely seems like a long shot to get Kidd imo.
Do you think Kidd is an upgrade over Thibs?
? GONYK wrote:Every coach is going to ISO Brunson. He's one of the best ISO players in the league.
You know who also ISO'd more than Thibs? Deignault. Why? Because he has one of the best ISO players in the league.
Want another coach who ISO'd more than Thibs? Mazzulla. Want to guess why?
NiceLikeChrist wrote:We are going to deeply regret this. We traded away the best player in the trade and still had to give up a great role player AND a pick?
so many people are going to eat their words about randle
NiceLikeChrist wrote:GONYK wrote:Every coach is going to ISO Brunson. He's one of the best ISO players in the league.
You know who also ISO'd more than Thibs? Deignault. Why? Because he has one of the best ISO players in the league.
Want another coach who ISO'd more than Thibs? Mazzulla. Want to guess why?
OKC is a poor example because their offense is complete buns to be honest.
Celtics iso with purpose. Mismatch hunt and break down defenders and once the defense is scrambling it’s open 3s all day
Brunson is too small and not as quick as those Celtics guys. His isos often take too much time and are to get him a look and him alone.
We need motion for most of the game with the reassurance that we always have a Brunson iso in our pocket in those closing moments and when our offense is stifled. Look how much Indiana struggles right now because they don’t really have a guy who can consistently break down any of OKC 1 on 1
god shammgod wrote:probably the mavs are really thinking over this kidd thing and everything is waiting on that. because if they really were sure they wanted to keep him they'd shut it down right away like the udoka thing was.
GONYK wrote:Every coach is going to ISO Brunson. He's one of the best ISO players in the league.
You know who also ISO'd more than Thibs? Deignault. Why? Because he has one of the best ISO players in the league.
Want another coach who ISO'd more than Thibs? Mazzulla. Want to guess why?
GONYK wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:GONYK wrote:
It's not unrealistic if the coach you are trying to pursue also wants to leave for your team.
It wouldn't even be the first time its happened with Kidd.
From my understanding, it doesn’t seem like he really wants to leave though, and I’m not sure if the Mavs will even give us permission for our request. Just going based off what Marc Stein has been saying, who could be wrong. But this definitely seems like a long shot to get Kidd imo.
Do you think Kidd is an upgrade over Thibs?
I'm not sure where you gleaned that understanding from though. There is ton of reporting that Kidd is interested. Even if you don't believe those reporters, the real smoking gun is that this process is continuing.
Do I think Kidd is an upgrade over Thibs as an Xs and O's guy? No, but I don't think Thibs was necessarily a bad one.
I do think Kidd will definitely be more collaborative with the FO than Thibs and I think that is what this is really about.
Kidd, though, is believed to be happy in Dallas despite the extreme tumult of the past season, which saw the Mavericks stun the entire league and deeply wound huge segments of their fan base by trading Dončić to the Lakers without warning on Feb. 2. He has spoken often in recent weeks about his excitement for the opportunity to coach Duke phenom Cooper Flagg, who is poised to be selected No. 1 overall by the Mavericks in this month's NBA Draft.
Kidd's presence in Dallas has been frequently cited as a key factor in the success of its trade gamble to acquire Kyrie Irving in February 2023 to pair him with Dončić. Irving is known to relish playing for Kidd, who likewise has a strong relationship with new Mavericks cornerstone Anthony Davis. Irving, who holds a $44 million player option for next season that he must activate or bypass by June 29, is expected to negotiate a new contract with Dallas this summer.
3toheadmelo wrote:GONYK wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:From my understanding, it doesn’t seem like he really wants to leave though, and I’m not sure if the Mavs will even give us permission for our request. Just going based off what Marc Stein has been saying, who could be wrong. But this definitely seems like a long shot to get Kidd imo.
Do you think Kidd is an upgrade over Thibs?
I'm not sure where you gleaned that understanding from though. There is ton of reporting that Kidd is interested. Even if you don't believe those reporters, the real smoking gun is that this process is continuing.
Do I think Kidd is an upgrade over Thibs as an Xs and O's guy? No, but I don't think Thibs was necessarily a bad one.
I do think Kidd will definitely be more collaborative with the FO than Thibs and I think that is what this is really about.
This is what stein said the other day so I’m not sure Kidd really wants to leave.Kidd, though, is believed to be happy in Dallas despite the extreme tumult of the past season, which saw the Mavericks stun the entire league and deeply wound huge segments of their fan base by trading Dončić to the Lakers without warning on Feb. 2. He has spoken often in recent weeks about his excitement for the opportunity to coach Duke phenom Cooper Flagg, who is poised to be selected No. 1 overall by the Mavericks in this month's NBA Draft.
Kidd's presence in Dallas has been frequently cited as a key factor in the success of its trade gamble to acquire Kyrie Irving in February 2023 to pair him with Dončić. Irving is known to relish playing for Kidd, who likewise has a strong relationship with new Mavericks cornerstone Anthony Davis. Irving, who holds a $44 million player option for next season that he must activate or bypass by June 29, is expected to negotiate a new contract with Dallas this summer.
I guess I could probably live with Kidd. But if we can’t get him that’s going to be pretty interesting to see what their backup plan is
GONYK wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:GONYK wrote:
It's not unrealistic if the coach you are trying to pursue also wants to leave for your team.
It wouldn't even be the first time its happened with Kidd.
From my understanding, it doesn’t seem like he really wants to leave though, and I’m not sure if the Mavs will even give us permission for our request. Just going based off what Marc Stein has been saying, who could be wrong. But this definitely seems like a long shot to get Kidd imo.
Do you think Kidd is an upgrade over Thibs?
I'm not sure where you gleaned that understanding from though. There is ton of reporting that Kidd is interested. Even if you don't believe those reporters, the real smoking gun is that this process is continuing.
Do I think Kidd is an upgrade over Thibs as an Xs and O's guy? No, but I don't think Thibs was necessarily a bad one.
I do think Kidd will definitely be more collaborative with the FO than Thibs and I think that is what this is really about.