Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

[KGtabake]

He already has won a ring, which many players in the 11-20 range of all time greats don't.

Aside from the Spurs and or possibly Houston, there is no team that can offer a package that could satisfy The Bucks into trading Giannis that could realistically win a chip with Giannis in the time left in his prime.

I don't think winning another chip puts Ginnais into the top 10 of all time discussion at any rate

This whole debate of adding rings to a player's legacy and they should go ring chase is pretty tiresome.

Durant did his legacy no favours by ring chasing at the stacked Dubs (fwiw))

Wanting someone to get out of the first round isn't ring chasing.

Took a fluke Haliburton buzzer beater for Indy to sink the Bucks in the first round.

Milwaukee also pushed the Pacers far harder than any other team in the East playoffs (which is pretty damning on Cleveland tbh)

Dame's unlucky blood clot issue aside, the Bucks can still make noise in the East next season.

At any rate we don't know what Giannis wants or what he is thinking, he seems perfectly happy at Cream City and that's fine by me..

This whole top ten player legacy thing is a pile of nonsense, of all current players only LeBron is a lock to be there (Joker would be next in line, Curry is the GOAT shooter of all time and has won 4 rings but I don't think anyone has him in their all time top 10 players of all time)

Still irks me big time Tom Brady didn't retire as a Pats as a NE fan though glad for his legacy he won another superbowl with the Bucs

It doesn't sit right with me that franchise GOAT and legacy players finish their careers outside of the team that drafted and or developed them

Hakeem at The Raptors is something that still annoys me to this day.

Giannis potential is a top10 player all time.
He achieved everything at the age of 26.
That alone placed him on that trajectory.
MJ and LeBron hadn't achieved everything at 26.
Giannis did.
Ever since, he's having monstrous seasons completely wasted.
Barring 2022 when Middleton's issue clearly stopped them from repeating, the next 3 seasons are a disappointment.
Yes, Dame is constantly injured in the playoffs, yes Giannis himself lost the entire 2024 post season and 3 games in 2023. But they weren't good enough regardless of injuries.

[JayMKE]

Wanting someone to get out of the first round isn't ring chasing.

Took a fluke Haliburton buzzer beater for Indy to sink the Bucks in the first round.

Milwaukee also pushed the Pacers far harder than any other team in the East playoffs (which is pretty damning on Cleveland tbh)

Dame's unlucky blood clot issue aside, the Bucks can still make noise in the East next season.

At any rate we don't know what Giannis wants or what he is thinking, he seems perfectly happy at Cream City and that's fine by me..

This whole top ten player legacy thing is a pile of nonsense, of all current players only LeBron is a lock to be there (Joker would be next in line, Curry is the GOAT shooter of all time and has won 4 rings but I don't think anyone has him in their all time top 10 players of all time)

Still irks me big time Tom Brady didn't retire as a Pats as a NE fan though glad for his legacy he won another superbowl with the Bucs

It doesn't sit right with me that franchise GOAT and legacy players finish their careers outside of the team that drafted and or developed them

Hakeem at The Raptors is something that still annoys me to this day.

Giannis potential is a top10 player all time.
He achieved everything at the age of 26.
That alone placed him on that trajectory.
MJ and LeBron hadn't achieved everything at 26.
Giannis did.
Ever since, he's having monstrous seasons completely wasted.
Barring 2022 when Middleton's issue clearly stopped them from repeating, the next 3 seasons are a disappointment.
Yes, Dame is constantly injured in the playoffs, yes Giannis himself lost the entire 2024 post season and 3 games in 2023. But they weren't good enough regardless of injuries.

Can’t win when your star players are hurt, Bucks playoff runs have been derailed because of injuries.

Get him rested and healthy for playoffs, I will be happy no matter the result. Giannis will be a Buck for life.

[DwayneSchintzus]

If he wants out, i can’t imagine a better package than Harper, Vassell and the Atlanta picks for him.

Harper is a player you can build around, and picks from Atlanta avoids the “whatever team gets Giannis is going to be good” problem.

Year 3 Wemby-Giannis-Champagnie-Castle-Fox is a contender.

All the Carusos, Hartensteins and Dorts in the world can’t defend that.

You are the epitome of the problem here. First, you ignore the concrete reporting & actions he's staying. So you might as well say if Jokic wants out, here's the best Nugs can get. Maybe start that thread.

Second, you propose a package, claiming it's the best deal, while you're super stingy to not concede more than 1 prospect, to build a super duper team you acknowledge, then you gaslight Bucks' fans it's the best we can get. And you come up with a tepid rebuild plan that doesn't involve the Bucks even getting their own picks back, so they're conceding top prospects potentially in the next couple of drafts. There's no empathy.

Any deal where the Bucks get real prospect(s) AND their own picks back OR multiple good win now guys & other team's picks is better than your garbage offer (speaking of Atlanta, they'd have a better one of like Jalen Johnson, Risacher, Gueye, picks this yr + other team's in the future). In a fantasy trade, concede Castle AND Harper + add-ons, or don't bother even making an offer. We'd find much better in reality.

Hey man, didn't mean to touch a nerve here. I was happy for you guys when you won the title. I like your team. If we don't get him, I'll still pull for you guys.

I feel like a Cade-level prospect in Dylan Harper and a few picks is a pretty good package. You're getting the #2 pick and a player that you can build around. Any other package of picks is statistically unlikely to produce a #2 pick. The only way that you could outperform that is if one of the picks you get back is #1. If you do get a #1, you gotta hope its not a Risacher level prospect.

If you don't agree, I get that. There isn't really a package that returns equal value for one of the 15-20 best players ever.

Speaking from my perspective, we got screwed by the Kawhi deal. Having lived through that, a young cornerstone and a handful of picks from a team that didn't have Kawhi would have been a good package. We got Poeltl, DeRozan and a pick that turned into Keldon Johnson. The most important piece is the cornerstone and I don't see another package out there currently that would guarantee you one of those.

Edit - I didn't mean to "ignore" the "reporting" that he is staying put. I just don't put a lot of credence into that. That kind of stuff can change in a heartbeat. There is a ton of smokescreen/subterfuge that goes on around this stuff. There may already be a deal in place and Giannis/Milwaukee is being tight-lipped. I don't know, you don't know, and the hacks that pass for "reporters" these days don't know either.

Good luck with Giannis and the team.

[Bernman]

Watch the sour grapes ensue....

[G R E Y]

Watch the sour grapes ensue....

Happy for Bucks fans. Nice to see MVP level stars wanting to stay and build a legacy.

[Karate Diop]

Even if they can convince him to stay, by mid season when the Bucks are middling he'll likely ask out...

[Matches Malone]

Even if they can convince him to stay, by mid season when the Bucks are middling he'll likely ask out...

Keep telling yourself that.

[Bernman]

Even if they can convince him to stay, by mid season when the Bucks are middling he'll likely ask out...

Predictable. He's already convinced to stay, and by that quote it's for the near future, which means beyond midseason. And you're being presumptuous they're middling when Giannis had an elite net rating w/ KPJ & outstanding several other guys, none of which were Dame.

[Infinite Llamas]

Wanting someone to get out of the first round isn't ring chasing.

Took a fluke Haliburton buzzer beater for Indy to sink the Bucks in the first round.

Milwaukee also pushed the Pacers far harder than any other team in the East playoffs (which is pretty damning on Cleveland tbh)

Dame's unlucky blood clot issue aside, the Bucks can still make noise in the East next season.

At any rate we don't know what Giannis wants or what he is thinking, he seems perfectly happy at Cream City and that's fine by me..

This whole top ten player legacy thing is a pile of nonsense, of all current players only LeBron is a lock to be there (Joker would be next in line, Curry is the GOAT shooter of all time and has won 4 rings but I don't think anyone has him in their all time top 10 players of all time)

Still irks me big time Tom Brady didn't retire as a Pats as a NE fan though glad for his legacy he won another superbowl with the Bucs

It doesn't sit right with me that franchise GOAT and legacy players finish their careers outside of the team that drafted and or developed them

Hakeem at The Raptors is something that still annoys me to this day.

Giannis potential is a top10 player all time.
He achieved everything at the age of 26.
That alone placed him on that trajectory.
MJ and LeBron hadn't achieved everything at 26.
Giannis did.
Ever since, he's having monstrous seasons completely wasted.
Barring 2022 when Middleton's issue clearly stopped them from repeating, the next 3 seasons are a disappointment.
Yes, Dame is constantly injured in the playoffs, yes Giannis himself lost the entire 2024 post season and 3 games in 2023. But they weren't good enough regardless of injuries.

It’s amazing how similar Jokic/Giannis careers have mirrored themselves in a way. Both have a ring and MVPs by 26-27 and remain loyal to small franchises while being top 3 players year in and year out…only for their help to have bad injury luck and denying them that second ring that would undoubtedly put them in the top 10 of all time talk.
Both different types of players but their career arcs have been quite similar.

[Ron Swanson]

This was fun guys. Another day, another offseason of blind Giannis trade speculation based on zero credible info or sources. Can't wait to do it all over again next year for the *checks notes* 8th summer in a row. It's the NBA equivalent to the "Boy that cried Wolf" situation at this point.

[Ambrose]

Nothing wrong with being Milwaukee's Dirk.

[Texas Chuck]

And you're being presumptuous they're middling when Giannis had an elite net rating w/ KPJ & outstanding several other guys, none of which were Dame.

The Bucks were middling though.... And now Dame is gone, BroLo might be gone.

We can celebrate a Brazilian report saying he's 100% staying while acknowledging the Bucks have a ton of work to do this off-season for any talk of Giannis back in the Finals wearing a Bucks uniform to be very likely.

I wouldn't want my FO to think we are just fine because of...checks notes..Kevin Porter Jr.

[TravisScott55]

Giannis is staying put

[Profound23]

Nothing wrong with being Milwaukee's Dirk.

According to some people it is. Been 6-7 years of every single offseason (outside of 2021 when they won it all) of Giannis trade talk. Even now that Giannis says this there are already people wishing for the Bucks downfall "he will want out around the trade deadline." Then when the trade deadline passes "he will want out in the offseason."

These people just need to stop it and worry about their own teams and how they will function without acquiring Giannis, because it won't happen.

[GiannisAnte34]

And you're being presumptuous they're middling when Giannis had an elite net rating w/ KPJ & outstanding several other guys, none of which were Dame.

The Bucks were middling though.... And now Dame is gone, BroLo might be gone.

We can celebrate a Brazilian report saying he's 100% staying while acknowledging the Bucks have a ton of work to do this off-season for any talk of Giannis back in the Finals wearing a Bucks uniform to be very likely.

I wouldn't want my FO to think we are just fine because of...checks notes..Kevin Porter Jr.

Lopez isn’t a net positive player against the majority of teams in the league at this point. What could the Bucks do if they were able to fill out the roster with guys instead of a max on the bench and unplayable guys like Lopez and Pat C eating up big money?

Even with an extremely flawed roster and blown Achilles to Dame, the Bucks were on the verge of taking a 2nd game from this Indy team. Put some decent guys around Giannis and see what happens. He made Gary Trent Jr look amazing for a couple games. KPJ has also looked amazing for a handful of regular season games, like the 1% probability comeback vs Minnesota.

[GiannisAnte34]

Even if they can convince him to stay, by mid season when the Bucks are middling he'll likely ask out...

This is pathetic to keep moving the goal post to suit your agenda. If you can’t admit you’re wrong about a completely neutral issue like sports then you’re probably insufferable on critical issues

[Bernman]

And you're being presumptuous they're middling when Giannis had an elite net rating w/ KPJ & outstanding several other guys, none of which were Dame.

The Bucks were middling though.... And now Dame is gone, BroLo might be gone.

We can celebrate a Brazilian report saying he's 100% staying while acknowledging the Bucks have a ton of work to do this off-season for any talk of Giannis back in the Finals wearing a Bucks uniform to be very likely.

I wouldn't want my FO to think we are just fine because of...checks notes..Kevin Porter Jr.

I explained it to you. +5 net rating for Dame & Giannis, cuz they were oil and water, & Dame was lazy on d. +21 (elite) w/ KPJ. And Brook? He was the same overall as Dame, only a match-up nightmare now against half the teams, which populate almost the entire top of the east.

16-8/17-7 w/out Dame. None of this is "middling". Dame only gave the Bucks a better chance in most playoff series'. And when Doc switched to a non insane lineup finally, they should have beaten the Pacers on the road. Doc sucks, but can fire him any time. It's not like replacing players.

BTW, this underscores your bias in curating trades as the T&T board moderator, when you'd be like "only this fleecing of the Bucks is realistic & we're also doing you a favor". He was never going for those crap packages, & for a while not at all, bro. Now you disingenuously discredit a "Brazilian report" that quotes Giannis. After ignoring the Milwaukee Journal reporting the FO met w/ Giannis who said he was happy & him liking tweets he's staying. Ya know what's more credible though, "open-mindedness" per a "league source" (rival exec), via ESPN who's been wrong on this for 6 yrs.

[Texas Chuck]

BTW, this underscores your bias in curating trades as the T&T board moderator, when you'd be like "only this fleecing of the Bucks is realistic & we're also doing you a favor".

This is one of the funniest attempts to accuse me of bias I have ever read.

But also its clear you haven't actually read my posts about Giannis on the trade board if this is your takeaway.

Maybe try reading what I've actually said? I mean I haven't been shy about my opinion that:

1. Bucks should try everything else first before resorting to trading Giannis and that only if he demands out and I don't think he's demanding out.
2. I have repeatedly said basically every offer save a couple presented on the trade board were light and many of theme laughably so.

You are so ready to play victim you don't even realize I've been basically on your side lol.

But I do think the Bucks are going to have a really tough time being competitive with the dead dame money, how bad Kuzma was, and limited resources to build around Giannis.

Giannis is awesome. Another take someone who pretends to be so familiar with my thinking and motivation would know. Not just on the trade board, go read how much I;ve defended him for years on the PC Board as well.

[Profound23]

Even if they can convince him to stay, by mid season when the Bucks are middling he'll likely ask out...

This is pathetic to keep moving the goal post to suit your agenda. If you can’t admit you’re wrong about a completely neutral issue like sports then you’re probably insufferable on critical issues

I can see it now. Giannis leaves Milwaukee in 2034, all of national media and people like this poster "See, told you he was leaving Milwaukee."

Why are they so worried about us? Do they hate small market teams? If so, then focus on the Finals right now and stop worrying about players you will never acquire.

[jbk1234]

If Giannis is indeed staying, that's good news for the Suns as Durant becomes the biggest name on the block.