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**NBA Draft Discussion 2025**

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#1221 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:34 pm

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Like I said to greg hush up or put up. All you are doing is just trying to analyze stats solely and criticquing other critiques. Tell us your critiques of Saraf strengths and weaknesses and how YOU project him as a NBA player. Let your critique stand on its own.


* Very good ball-handler

* Very good in getting to basket and creating space for midrange pull-ups.

* Midrange pull-up is good but overused

* Above average finisher

* Usage of weak hand improved a lot in last 2 seasons - but still needs more work especially concerning finishing

* Very good p&r handler

* Very good distributor, but tends sometimes to attempt too risky passes

* Good ISO scorer

* Not elite but very solid athlete: quick (not elite though) first step, not greatest leaper but dunks a lot with zero effort, elite deceleration and very good body control

* Great size for PG

* Better with ball in hand, but can give minutes off-ball, as cutter and driver

* Competitiveness. Great "big time" games and clutch performer

* Ok-ish c&s 3P shot. Bad pull-up 3P shot.

* Good defender, disrupting passing lanes and creating turnovers, but tends to overhelp and gamble

* Can defend one-on-one PGs and smaller wings pretty well. Need to add more muscles to handle bigger wings, improve rebounding and box out (also to improve finishing).

I have no idea what two games did you see. He is probably most NBA ready player outside high lottery. The reality that success of Saraf as primary ball handler which always has ball in his hand and makes all important decisions on decisive possessions for good European pro-team is rare and almost unheard of (not counting Luka obviously). I would say this Saraf's season is top-5 and maybe top-3 season of any young NBA guard prospect in Europe in last 25+ years. And as already said here - his Euro U18 performance was unique.

What is his projection in NBA in my opinion If he succeeds to improve pull-up 3P and weak hand, he would be starting PG of SGA or Haliburton kind - well, probably not as good as those two, but may be he will be all-star one day. If not - he would be good bench player which runs second unit.


Thank You. Pretty Much what I said. Except I do not agree his midrange is any good and I am not sure what Ok-ish catch and shooter is a good or bad thing.


Around 40% on catch and shoot 3s.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#1222 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:39 pm

greg4012 wrote:I'm struggling to find it right now, but yesterday I saw a website that had Saraf's season stats broken down by month. It showed a nice progression of him shooting over 80% from FT for the past half of the season or so and improved 3pt % thru back half of season with a recent 4-5 game dip. Wish I could find it now.

I did find these Saraf shot charts informative.

German league shot chart:

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Eurocup shot chart:

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https://3stepsbasket.com/player/ben-saraf?season=eurocup-2025

This site has some pretty cool features. The above link allows you to compare his stat profile to the production of the general player pool in each league. For instance, even though Saraf clearly struggled more in the Eurocup games, his stats compared to the Eurocup player production at large stand as follows:

Scoring 12.8 ppg
PPG: Better than 90% of the players in Eurocup this season

Teamwork +6.7 NETRTG*, 68.8% positive +/-
MTW: Better than 95% of the players in Eurocup this season

Ball handling 4.6 ast, 2.5 tov
BH: Better than 96% of the players in Eurocup this season

Defense 1.3 stl, 0.1 blk, 1.6 d.reb, 109.8 DRTG**
MTD: Better than 55% of the players

Rebounding 2.2 rebs (1.6 def, 0.6 off)
TRB: Worse than 76% of the players


His free throws is the area that is a brightspot in regards to improvement. Much of his points are in transition and getting free throws. That is a bright spot showing his aggressiveness. And that is whats carrying his game. His free throw rate however, I am not sure that is going to translate and carry him against the athletes he will be playing in the NBA. His size does cause problems in the Euroleague and he needs to continue to use that in the NBA.
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Post#1223 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:48 pm

You could see in the charts how he couldn't get to the rim to the same extent against Eurocup competition and leaned on a surprisingly solid midrange game. But, overall his offensive efficiency dipped in that competition (midrange is not an efficient way to source offense). Gotta account for the reality that he was 18-19 year old playing some of the best competition outside the NBA in the world.
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Post#1224 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:51 pm

Who else we deep diving on?
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Post#1225 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:52 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Arusinov bringing the heat. Jesus. Good work.

Praying we draft Saraf so he becomes a long term fixture here.
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Post#1226 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:55 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:Now we gotta wait for more of the Heat workouts to fill in. Smh, I hate how long they take to let any of that info out. All we have right now are a few potential 2 ways.

You will start hearing about the potential prospects at 20 coming in here soon. They will start appearing for workouts at the arena and word will leak out to Barry and Ira.
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Post#1227 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:58 pm

greg4012 wrote:Who else we deep diving on?

Waiting and seeing who's coming in for a workout. Ben Saraf was one of the first Euro's reported that we genuinely had interest in. Assuming Simon and Kammerer were present at his games over seas. The highest rated prospect we have worked out recently has been Jamir Watkins who's projected as a mid tier 2nd rounder.

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-have-done-extensive-homework-on-ben-saraf/
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#1228 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:08 pm

Those predraft workouts at Kaseya Center began this week and run up until a few days before the start of the two-round NBA Draft, which will span two days this year (first round on June 26 and second round on June 27). The Heat is slotted to pick at No. 15 in the first round and No. 43 in the second round of the 58-pick draft — not the usual 60 total selections because two picks were forfeited this year by other teams due to NBA violations. Among the prospects who the Heat scheduled for predraft workouts in Miami are Providence guard Devin Carter, Indiana center Kel’el Ware, Southern Cal guard Isaiah Collier, Arizona forward Keshad Johnson and UConn guard Tristen Newton, according to league sources. Carter, Ware and Collier are among the potential first-round options for the Heat at pick No. 15, and Johnson and Newton are among the potential second-round options for the Heat at pick No. 43.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article289065499.html#storylink=cpy

Pre draft workouts at the arena started around this time last year so should be getting news here shortly.
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Post#1229 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:38 pm

Couldn't find the monthly stat breakdown on Saraf, so I got AI to produce some splits based on his season game log:

(1) First Half of the Season (First 26 Games: September 2024 - January 14, 2025)
This period includes all games from September, October, November, December, and the first five games of January 2025, based on the specific game log dates provided in the sources.

Games Played: 26
Points Per Game: 12.31 (320 total points / 26 games)
Rebounds Per Game: 3.19 (83 total rebounds / 26 games)
Assists Per Game: 4.23 (110 total assists / 26 games)
Minutes Per Game: 23.50 (611 total minutes / 26 games)
Field Goal Percentage (FG%): 45.05% (123 made / 273 attempted)
2-Point Percentage (2P%): 51.96% (106 made / 204 attempted)
3-Point Percentage (3P%): 24.64% (17 made / 69 attempted)
Free Throw Percentage (FT%): 77.03% (57 made / 74 attempted)



(2) Second Half of the Season (Last 26 Games: January 19, 2025 - June 7, 2025)
This period includes the remaining four games from January 2025, and all games from February, March, April, May, and June 2025, based on the specific game log dates provided in the sources.

Games Played: 26
Points Per Game: 12.35 (321 total points / 26 games)
Rebounds Per Game: 2.31 (60 total rebounds / 26 games)
Assists Per Game: 4.35 (113 total assists / 26 games)
Minutes Per Game: 23.92 (622 total minutes / 26 games)
Field Goal Percentage (FG%): 45.20% (113 made / 250 attempted)
2-Point Percentage (2P%): 47.72% (94 made / 197 attempted)
3-Point Percentage (3P%): 35.85% (19 made / 53 attempted)
Free Throw Percentage (FT%): 77.55% (76 made / 98 attempted)
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#1230 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:50 pm

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#1231 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 10, 2025 5:28 pm

Givony and Woo see it like i do. Saraf or Richardson.
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Post#1232 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 10, 2025 5:41 pm

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Post#1233 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:03 pm

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FYI Tankathon is wrong on Jase's age. He's a full year older than Fears. The difference is positional size. Fears is very clearly a lead guard with self-creation and creation for others as his main calling card. He has arguably the best handle in the class and can get anywhere on the court and prove a threat to create offense from there. Jase shines as an offball player and plays a SG/wing game in a PG body.
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Post#1235 » by arusinov » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:46 pm

Well.As it maybe was destined to happen with really bad timing.. today Saraf played his worst game of the season. Really horrible game. Nothing worked at all. What can be said? Let us see what will he do in the decisive game of the semifinals
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Post#1237 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:41 pm

greg4012 wrote:Who else we deep diving on?

Nolan Traore and Jase Richardson
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Post#1238 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:56 pm

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Hawks and Wizards have been heavily linked to Traore. Hawks pick at 13 and Wiz pick again at 18.
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Post#1239 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:11 pm

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I think Coward is being a little overhyped now. I like him as a prospect. But hey it only takes one team to fall in crazy love.
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Post#1240 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:14 pm

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greg4012 wrote:Who else we deep diving on?

Nolan Traore and Jase Richardson


Man I am so curious about Richardson. I really wish I could see more tape last year of him running point.

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