Another Beal to Dallas trade..

[jayjaysee]

Trying it again.

Yes, Phoenix would have to figure out their SG problem - but this makes the SG problem a lot better?

Phoenix lets Micic/Martin go to get under the second apron prior to this.

Sacramento - Jonas and their 2026 first (top 10 protected 3x)
Sacramento - PJ and Nick Richards

Sacramento upgrades their starting line up and keeps a decent backup center. Still should have room to keep Jake or trade Demar for Jrue etc.

Phoenix - Beal, Richards, 2028 first (worst of 5 teams?)
Phoenix - Gafford, Jonas, Klay, Martin, Hardy

Phoenix moves on from Beal. They will want to trade Grayson or Klay after this, but they can and will depending on if and what they trade KD for. Gafford/Jonas/Oso make a good enough center committee. Martin should be able to be dumped into someone’s MLE/TPE if they want to save money, if not he plays hard and is a nice enough bench two way piece.

Dallas - Gafford, PJ, Klay, Martin, Hardy
Dallas - Beal, 2026 Sacramento first, 2028 first

Dallas gets a guard and two firsts. They aren’t interested in rebuilding and aren’t interesting in actually trying to win a championship. Beal comes in and shows he can still play or he doesn’t and Dallas is stuck with his contract. The two firsts help the team once reality does kick in that they should have rebuilt around Flagg when they had the chance.

Beal - Comes to play in a better fitting role with two stars. Dallas has some nice areas for his family. Big enough market. If it works out and he plays well, he probably gets another decent sized contract out of it as he’ll only be 33 years old as a free agent somehow..

[Godaddycurse]

sac fans probably will say no. I think they want to clear their guard glut instead
Dallas' depth will be really tested trying to stay under 2nd apron

[mademan]

I have PJ worth a protected pick like that and Gaf worth more than one of the worst 1st rounders in a draft years from now. And i really dont think this makes Dallas better on the court as they lose 3 rotation guys for 1 who isnt particularly great. I kick the tires on a possible Tyus or Dlo minimum signing well before this and then try for a PJ-Monk swap. This would be wayyy down the list of things i'd consider to solve the guard creation problem

[jayjaysee]

sac fans probably will say no. I think they want to clear their guard glut instead
Dallas' depth will be really tested trying to stay under 2nd apron

I think Sac gets really good value here.

Dallas depth won’t be good. Agreed. But if Beal can still good, that’s okay. Dallas can survive til Kyrie is healthy…

And if Beal isn’t good, Dallas will likely end up tanking by the time Kyrie is healthy.

Win/win.

[jayjaysee]

I have PJ worth a protected pick like that and Gaf worth more than one of the worst 1st rounders in a draft years from now. And i really dont think this makes Dallas better on the court as they lose 3 rotation guys for 1 who isnt particularly great. I kick the tires on a possible Tyus or Dlo minimum signing well before this and then try for a PJ-Monk swap. This would be wayyy down the list of things i'd consider to solve the guard creation problem

Agree it doesn’t make Dallas better. But that’s why they get two firsts.

On court/impact, I think you’re right on Gaff’s value. But I don’t see who is actually paying that first to Dallas? So would not call him worth the first.

Then you look at Klay/Hardy/Martin trimming 25-30 million of Beal’s second year..

[Godaddycurse]

sac fans probably will say no. I think they want to clear their guard glut instead
Dallas' depth will be really tested trying to stay under 2nd apron

I think Sac gets really good value here.

Dallas depth won’t be good. Agreed. But if Beal can still good, that’s okay. Dallas can survive til Kyrie is healthy…

And if Beal isn’t good, Dallas will likely end up tanking by the time Kyrie is healthy.

Win/win.

It is good value but they dont want to trade a 1st for PJ in other threads i've seen

[jayjaysee]

sac fans probably will say no. I think they want to clear their guard glut instead
Dallas' depth will be really tested trying to stay under 2nd apron

I think Sac gets really good value here.

Dallas depth won’t be good. Agreed. But if Beal can still good, that’s okay. Dallas can survive til Kyrie is healthy…

And if Beal isn’t good, Dallas will likely end up tanking by the time Kyrie is healthy.

Win/win.

It is good value but they dont want to trade a 1st for PJ in other threads i've seen

I didn’t want to use OKC as we just had a bunch of debate on that but they made more sense here off what you’re bringing up.. their fans were willing to give 15+Dieng for PJ?

That means Phoenix gets to keep Richards and Dallas gets 15 to draft a backup center to split minutes with Lively/AD or another guard to split minutes.. Or you could have Dallas trade back from 15 to try and get 2-3 cheap contracts and help stay under the second apron.

[Mavrelous]

Is the guy that shouted at his coach because he asked him to be like Jrue Holiday, misses more games than AD and has a NTC the right target to deplete team depth, wreck its cap sheet and put next to your 18 y/o franchise cornerstone? I tend to think not...
Sexton makes 20M and gives you 90% of the production...

[jayjaysee]

Is the guy that shouted at his coach because he asked him to be like Jrue Holiday, misses more games than AD and has a NTC the right target to deplete team depth, wreck its cap sheet and put next to your 18 y/o franchise cornerstone? I tend to think not...
Sexton makes 20M and gives you 90% of the production...

I don’t know anything about that incident. But he’s not Jrue. Or a star at all. And the trade doesn’t value him as one..

Cap sheet only ruined for 2 years… it’s already wrecked this year and is wrecked next year if they pay Kai... Assets replenished as depth depleted..

No disagreements about Sexton... But he doesn’t come with assets and costs the most important (PJ) depth piece Dallas loses here. Or some other way of paying Utah for him?

[Texas Chuck]

I think I can extend Gafford. If I can't I probably can't get even a worst of first back for him trade without taking back unwanted money, but I bet I could get multiple 2nds.

I don't think I can extend PJ. I do think I can get similar value back for him without having to take back bad money. He's not a great player and he's expiring, but he is one of those pieces contending teams are always looking to add for a playoff run and his salary is so small every team can potentially bid.

I think overall I can achieve the OP's goal of getting assets out of them without having to take back Beal. So then it comes down to does Beal help enough now more than whatever Dallas could string together on the super cheap? Yeah, I think as much crap as he takes, he probably does.

So on this two timeline mode, it makes some sense. Some low level picks for the future and win-now guard help. I don't want to go this direction, but it fits what it appears the team is doing.

[Mavrelous]

Is the guy that shouted at his coach because he asked him to be like Jrue Holiday, misses more games than AD and has a NTC the right target to deplete team depth, wreck its cap sheet and put next to your 18 y/o franchise cornerstone? I tend to think not...
Sexton makes 20M and gives you 90% of the production...

I don’t know anything about that incident. But he’s not Jrue. Or a star at all. And the trade doesn’t value him as one..

Cap sheet only ruined for 2 years… it’s already wrecked this year and is wrecked next year if they pay Kai... Assets replenished as depth depleted..

No disagreements about Sexton... But he doesn’t come with assets and costs the most important (PJ) depth piece Dallas loses here. Or some other way of paying Utah for him?

PJ and Gafford alone hold that value, Mavs are trading depth and cap flexibility for Bradley Beal, havig full cap allocated on 4 players, one with torn ACL 2 with history of injuries and 1 18 y/o.

[jayjaysee]

Is the guy that shouted at his coach because he asked him to be like Jrue Holiday, misses more games than AD and has a NTC the right target to deplete team depth, wreck its cap sheet and put next to your 18 y/o franchise cornerstone? I tend to think not...
Sexton makes 20M and gives you 90% of the production...

I don’t know anything about that incident. But he’s not Jrue. Or a star at all. And the trade doesn’t value him as one..

Cap sheet only ruined for 2 years… it’s already wrecked this year and is wrecked next year if they pay Kai... Assets replenished as depth depleted..

No disagreements about Sexton... But he doesn’t come with assets and costs the most important (PJ) depth piece Dallas loses here. Or some other way of paying Utah for him?

PJ and Gafford alone hold that value, Mavs are trading depth and cap flexibility for Bradley Beal, havig full cap allocated on 4 players, one with torn ACL 2 with history of injuries and 1 18 y/o.

Dallas’ cap situation is bad the next two years as is… Dallas won’t have cap space either way. Will be above the tax, below the second apron the next two years (if they keep Kyrie) either way..

They are trading depth for 2 firsts and trading their bad money for worse bad money. But the worse bad money could maybe fill a starting need, while the depth is depth.

And I still don’t see who is actually trading a future first for Gafford. Even if the future first is swapped off NYK and some rebuilding teams.

[Mavrelous]

Dallas’ cap situation is bad the next two years as is… Dallas won’t have cap space either way. Will be above the tax, below the second apron the next two years (if they keep Kyrie) either way..

Yes, Mavs won't have cap space, but with Beal, they also won't have flexibility.

They are trading depth for 2 firsts

No, they are trading good players for 2 1sts, and depth for Beal.

And I still don’t see who is actually trading a future first for Gafford. Even if the future first is swapped off NYK and some rebuilding teams.

I think Suns gladly trade that 1st for Gafford,.but even if not, that 1st isn't worth that much and shouldn't be a factor in trading for 110M/2, just my opinion.