Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread

[Gravy]

Kidd is a better coach than Thibs, period.

He has had DAL playing excellent defense most of the time even with Luka and Kyrie in the mix. He's also reached the finals once and WCF twice, I believe. His offense is also more varied than what Thibs runs and Kidd is more open to experimentation and adjustments. Kidd is also younger than Thibs and Kidd, as a hall of fame NBA PG, garners more respect/admiration from current players. He's not perfect, but he's definitely better than Thibs IMO.

I do think more free agents & players in general would rather play for Kidd in NY than for Thibs. My 2 cents.

Thibs Knicks has had a higher offensive rating than Kidd's Mavs each of the last three years. This is including last year when the Knicks had all those injuries. Kidd also lost in 5 games to the same Celtics team Thibs just beat in the playoffs. Kidd had two generational players in Luka and Kyrie, we dont have one.

Thibs is gone and never coming back

At least Kidd got his team to the finals, and did it in less time with the Mavs. As far as I can tell none of the Mavs have come forward and said they don't know if they will be able to play for him next year either.

I never said Kidd was a bad coach, only that he could not beat the Celtics with two hall of fame players when he had the chance to win it all. Is he the Steve Kerr you promised we would get after Thibs?

[mpharris36]

Yeah, he's coming

Jason Kidd was my favorite player when I was younger. Hopefully he can help deliver a title for the Knicks.

Stein is the only one that seems to be reporting that there is no interest from Kidd's perspective...interesting.

Has shams said anything? I know windhorst said there’s mutual interest, but he’s a bit iffy as a real source imo

No Shams has been pretty quiet lately. He isn't really in the rumor type business...outside of some trade stuff. He is probably going to break the story but in terms of speculating he doesn't really do too much of that.

Bondy is pretty legit on the Knicks side and he said there has been mutual interest.

[Guano]

Kidd is a better coach than Thibs, period.

He has had DAL playing excellent defense most of the time even with Luka and Kyrie in the mix. He's also reached the finals once and WCF twice, I believe. His offense is also more varied than what Thibs runs and Kidd is more open to experimentation and adjustments. Kidd is also younger than Thibs and Kidd, as a hall of fame NBA PG, garners more respect/admiration from current players. He's not perfect, but he's definitely better than Thibs IMO.

I do think more free agents & players in general would rather play for Kidd in NY than for Thibs. My 2 cents.

Thibs Knicks has had a higher offensive rating than Kidd's Mavs each of the last three years. This is including last year when the Knicks had all those injuries. Kidd also lost in 5 games to the same Celtics team Thibs just beat in the playoffs. Kidd had two generational players in Luka and Kyrie, we dont have one.

[BKlutch]

Not a useful post for the overall discourse. Defend your own opinions respectfully.

That is my opinion...some people hate and bait religiously.

Opinons about other posters are not needed.

Opinions about basketball are welcome.

I get what you're saying, and I don't disagree, but I sure do like the expression hating and baiting. It sounds like something Clyde's evil twin would say on an MSG broadcast.

[KnixinSix]

Thibs Knicks has had a higher offensive rating than Kidd's Mavs each of the last three years. This is including last year when the Knicks had all those injuries. Kidd also lost in 5 games to the same Celtics team Thibs just beat in the playoffs. Kidd had two generational players in Luka and Kyrie, we dont have one.

Thibs is gone and never coming back

At least Kidd got his team to the finals, and did it in less time with the Mavs. As far as I can tell none of the Mavs have come forward and said they don't know if they will be able to play for him next year either.

I never said Kidd was a bad coach, only that he could not beat the Celtics with two hall of fame players when he had the chance to win it all. Is he the Steve Kerr you promised we would get after Thibs?

Celtics last year were much better and healthier especially come playoff time and Kidd couldnt hide the defensive deficiencies of two starting players vs that pure 5 out offense. I am not necessarily killing him for that Minny was damn good last year with KAT and they beat them pretty good.

[Guano]

if you get kidd bring woody back to the bench

Rather just hire woody

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Woody was ahead of his time. A true visionary. A knicks legend who doesnt get enough love. He would have kat out there shooting 3s until he needed Tommy John surgery or until he saw him play defense and give him the classic

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[Gravy]

Kidd is a better coach than Thibs, period.

He has had DAL playing excellent defense most of the time even with Luka and Kyrie in the mix. He's also reached the finals once and WCF twice, I believe. His offense is also more varied than what Thibs runs and Kidd is more open to experimentation and adjustments. Kidd is also younger than Thibs and Kidd, as a hall of fame NBA PG, garners more respect/admiration from current players. He's not perfect, but he's definitely better than Thibs IMO.

I do think more free agents & players in general would rather play for Kidd in NY than for Thibs. My 2 cents.

Thibs Knicks has had a higher offensive rating than Kidd's Mavs each of the last three years. This is including last year when the Knicks had all those injuries. Kidd also lost in 5 games to the same Celtics team Thibs just beat in the playoffs. Kidd had two generational players in Luka and Kyrie, we dont have one.

OG is my guy but tell him to CATCH THE BALL when it is in his hands under the hoop so we can close out game 1. maaaaaan

[BKlutch]

He lost me when he made a video about why the Knicks won't come back from a 3-1 deficit vs the Pacers. I mean, yeah they probably won't but just be neutral and report tidibits, man.

katz did opinion stuff all the time. it was just well received and generally trusted. edwards is a new face and clearly not a knick fan. if anything, he's more neutral.

and i strongly prefer reading katz to edwards.

When he was announced as the new guy, he was soooo thrilled with it (not). I thought that was just his dry as sand personality, but the more I read his stuff, the more obnoxious it sounded. He's a Michigan boy, so his you can reason that his dream job was writing about the Pistons. But he has such a **** attitude towards the Knicks, it's damn near a disservice. I don't expect sunshine and blue skies, but he just seems to stir ish up.

I love reading Katz but Edward is really a huge step down. He's clearly not a Knicks fan, definitely not a New Yorker, and seems to have no closeness to the team. He's just a second rate writer trying to earn a buck off the biggest and best fanbase in the NBA. Sucks.

[BKlutch]

When the offense was running at an elite level this year it was still brunson heavy ISO btu the difference was mikal, og and hart were moving and cutting that gave space to brunson to get to his spot or find the open guy. For whatever reason once they swtich a forward onto Kat all that off ball movement stopped and Brunson had to work 10x harder.

Once they switch a smaller player onto KAT, it's over. We know there's absolutely nothing else to be done except maybe an iso by Brunson under heavy pressure that takes up most of the remaining time.

I learned this from watching Thibs.

[BKlutch]

From my understanding, it doesn’t seem like he really wants to leave though, and I’m not sure if the Mavs will even give us permission for our request. Just going based off what Marc Stein has been saying, who could be wrong. But this definitely seems like a long shot to get Kidd imo.

Do you think Kidd is an upgrade over Thibs?

I'm not sure where you gleaned that understanding from though. There is ton of reporting that Kidd is interested. Even if you don't believe those reporters, the real smoking gun is that this process is continuing.

Do I think Kidd is an upgrade over Thibs as an Xs and O's guy? No, but I don't think Thibs was necessarily a bad one.

I do think Kidd will definitely be more collaborative with the FO than Thibs and I think that is what this is really about.

This is what stein said the other day so I’m not sure Kidd really wants to leave.

Kidd, though, is believed to be happy in Dallas despite the extreme tumult of the past season, which saw the Mavericks stun the entire league and deeply wound huge segments of their fan base by trading Dončić to the Lakers without warning on Feb. 2. He has spoken often in recent weeks about his excitement for the opportunity to coach Duke phenom Cooper Flagg, who is poised to be selected No. 1 overall by the Mavericks in this month's NBA Draft.

Kidd's presence in Dallas has been frequently cited as a key factor in the success of its trade gamble to acquire Kyrie Irving in February 2023 to pair him with Dončić. Irving is known to relish playing for Kidd, who likewise has a strong relationship with new Mavericks cornerstone Anthony Davis. Irving, who holds a $44 million player option for next season that he must activate or bypass by June 29, is expected to negotiate a new contract with Dallas this summer.

I guess I could probably live with Kidd. But if we can’t get him that’s going to be pretty interesting to see what their backup plan is

I feel the same way about Kidd. But if we can't get him, maybe we try to pry Jordan Ott away from Phoenix

[Guano]

Thibs Knicks has had a higher offensive rating than Kidd's Mavs each of the last three years. This is including last year when the Knicks had all those injuries. Kidd also lost in 5 games to the same Celtics team Thibs just beat in the playoffs. Kidd had two generational players in Luka and Kyrie, we dont have one.

OG is my guy but tell him to CATCH THE BALL when it is in his hands under the hoop so we can close out game 1. maaaaaan

He is a basketball savant and was so astonished a pg of Brunsons caliber would make that pass with that much time left in the shot clock it threw him off. Caught him off guard. Cant blame him.

[BKlutch]

Every coach is going to ISO Brunson. He's one of the best ISO players in the league.

You know who also ISO'd more than Thibs? Deignault. Why? Because he has one of the best ISO players in the league.

Want another coach who ISO'd more than Thibs? Mazzulla. Want to guess why?

This is fine, but during the iso, have our shooters in motion. This creates passes if they double or triple JB and he doesn't have the shot he wants. But if they cover our shooters, Brunson Burns 'Em.

[Clyde Frazier]

Haven't gone out of my way to read much about the Kidd rumors, but I feel pretty underwhelmed by the prospect of him coaching here. Especially if the thinking is he'll lure Giannis here. That gives me Dolan vibes. I personally think Mike Malone is a better coach and the clear choice if you don't want to go the Johnnie Bryant route.

[Capn'O]

Every coach is going to ISO Brunson. He's one of the best ISO players in the league.

You know who also ISO'd more than Thibs? Deignault. Why? Because he has one of the best ISO players in the league.

Want another coach who ISO'd more than Thibs? Mazzulla. Want to guess why?

This is fine, but during the iso, have our shooters in motion. This creates passes if they double or triple JB and he doesn't have the shot he wants. But if they cover our shooters, Brunson Burns 'Em.

It astonished me we weren't doing that by the end of the Pacers series. They were trapping both KAT and JB and no shooters were rotating to an open spot in their vision.

[Context]

Bring me Bryant.
Not interested in anyone else.

[knicksstuff]

When the offense was running at an elite level this year it was still brunson heavy ISO btu the difference was mikal, og and hart were moving and cutting that gave space to brunson to get to his spot or find the open guy. For whatever reason once they swtich a forward onto Kat all that off ball movement stopped and Brunson had to work 10x harder.

Once they switch a smaller player onto KAT, it's over. We know there's absolutely nothing else to be done except maybe an iso by Brunson under heavy pressure that takes up most of the remaining time.

I learned this from watching Thibs.

exactly this is why the Kid only runs iso thing is just fans projecting.... ISO is fine as long as their stuff going on off ball..... then you just Brunson to make the right decisions which he has shown hes more than capable of

[Gravy]

Thibs is gone and never coming back

At least Kidd got his team to the finals, and did it in less time with the Mavs. As far as I can tell none of the Mavs have come forward and said they don't know if they will be able to play for him next year either.

I never said Kidd was a bad coach, only that he could not beat the Celtics with two hall of fame players when he had the chance to win it all. Is he the Steve Kerr you promised we would get after Thibs?

Celtics last year were much better and healthier especially come playoff time and Kidd couldnt hide the defensive deficiencies of two starting players vs that pure 5 out offense. I am not necessarily killing him for that Minny was damn good last year with KAT and they beat them pretty good.

That sounds like our two starters defensive deficiencies, Kyrie/ Luka also have far more offensive talent and playmaking than Brunson Kat

[The KnicksFix]

Wow this Pacers analyst NAILS some stuff here ....

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Exactly this
I asked all year to just try Mitch and deuce in the starting lineup
With KAT and hart off the bench
If you make the argument you don’t trade for KAT to come off the bench, well okc just signed Ihart to a massive contract and he hasn’t started a game for them during the first two finals games. It’s about adjustments, and Thibs never tried anything new

[BKlutch]

Every coach is going to ISO Brunson. He's one of the best ISO players in the league.

You know who also ISO'd more than Thibs? Deignault. Why? Because he has one of the best ISO players in the league.

Want another coach who ISO'd more than Thibs? Mazzulla. Want to guess why?

This is fine, but during the iso, have our shooters in motion. This creates passes if they double or triple JB and he doesn't have the shot he wants. But if they cover our shooters, Brunson Burns 'Em.

It astonished me we weren't doing that by the end of the Pacers series. They were trapping both KAT and JB and no shooters were rotating to an open spot in their vision.

Thibs placed our shooters in well-spaced positions but he almost never seemed to have our guys in motion, so they couldn't avoid the defense. OG made some very strong cuts but it always seemed Thibs didn't encouragethat enough. Take a little of the pressure off Brunson and he'd show how lethal he is. Playing to our strengths is what we need need need our next coach to do.

[spree8]

Kidd is a better coach than Thibs, period.

He has had DAL playing excellent defense most of the time even with Luka and Kyrie in the mix. He's also reached the finals once and WCF twice, I believe. His offense is also more varied than what Thibs runs and Kidd is more open to experimentation and adjustments. Kidd is also younger than Thibs and Kidd, as a hall of fame NBA PG, garners more respect/admiration from current players. He's not perfect, but he's definitely better than Thibs IMO.

I do think more free agents & players in general would rather play for Kidd in NY than for Thibs. My 2 cents.

Thibs Knicks has had a higher offensive rating than Kidd's Mavs each of the last three years. This is including last year when the Knicks had all those injuries. Kidd also lost in 5 games to the same Celtics team Thibs just beat in the playoffs. Kidd had two generational players in Luka and Kyrie, we dont have one.

Offensive rating is only measuring our players scoring efficiency. It’s not really a credit to Thibs.

The Celtics team that Kidd lost to (in the Finals, where Thibs never been) wasn’t the same team that we beat at all. Not to make excuses for them but they didn’t have a healthy KP, Brown was banged up, Jrue too and he and Horford were another year older. That team was also much more hungry for their first title.

Kyrie may be a generational player, but at this stage, I think everyone would take Jalen over him.

I’m not saying Kidd is Popovich, but the dude is better than Thibs in a multitude of ways. I don’t see Kidd needing to bring guys he coached 10 years ago with him to every stop he makes because he’s got major trust issues. Also better at developing players… gave Jalen the confidence to become the dude who drops 40+ in the playoffs and helped develop Giannis. Kyrie also looked the best mentally that he had in years. He was a big part of that 2020 title in LA helping to manage egos too. Thibs chased our rookies out of town… Obi wanted to fight him. Mikal spoke out about the minutes publicly and wanted out of here in that exit meeting. Kidd isn’t dead last in player voting for coaches they wanna play for. On and on and on…

These things are a huge difference and matter far more than offensive rating. Kidd isn’t a lock for the job, but if he gets it, I think it’s a no brainer that we’re in a much better position going forward.