Chicago - Orlando - Phoenix - Boston

Godaddycurse · Post #1 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:22 pm

Chicago out: White, Williams, Huerter, 45
Chicago in: Beal, 16, 28, worst 2028 PHX/WAS/PHX 1st

Orlando out: Anthony, 16, 46
Orlando in: White

Boston out: Holiday, 28
Boston in: Huerter, Anthony

Phoenix out: Beal, 2028 worst of PHX/WAS/PHX 1st
Phoenix in: Holiday, Williams, 45, 46

Why for Chicago: Whites extension and Williams contract likely adds up close to what beal makes so its fairly salary neutralish. Beal probably produces similarly if not better than White next couple years so they can sell to fans they are not tanking while still picking up assets and dumping williams' later years
Why for Orlando: upgrade offense
Why for Boston: get out of Holidays future years
Why for Phoenix: clear up SG glut
Why for Beal: starting role on a team in the weaker conference/competing for playoffs.. chicago is a nice city?

hugepatsfan · Post #2 » by **hugepatsfan** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:29 pm

I don't think BOS gives a pick for this. Their cap sheet issue isn't in the future years of Holiday's deal, it's in the current. They really don't have much, if any need to shed salary in the latter two years of Jrue's deal. If they want to avoid the tax in 26-27 then sure they need to shed like 1/3 of Jrue's deal, but as of right now they only project to pay a small amount of tax and unless they're also ducking this year they won't be resetting their repeater rate anyway.

Basically it comes out to...

25-26: big need to dump salary
26-27: minor need to dump salary
27-28: no need at all to dump salary

This deal is working in reverse for them - it's clearing salary in the years they don't need to with very little savings in the year they need to (the current one). I don't think that's good resource allocation for them.

Godaddycurse · Post #3 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:31 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:I don't think BOS gives a pick for this. Their cap sheet issue isn't in the future years of Holiday's deal, it's in the current. They really don't have much, if any need to shed salary in the latter two years of Jrue's deal. If they want to avoid the tax in 26-27 then sure they need to shed like 1/3 of Jrue's deal, but as of right now they only project to pay a small amount of tax and unless they're also ducking this year they won't be resetting their repeater rate anyway.

Basically it comes out to...

25-26: big need to dump salary
26-27: minor need to dump salary
27-28: no need at all to dump salary

This deal is working in reverse for them - it's clearing salary in the years they don't need to with very little savings in the year they need to (the current one). I don't think that's good resource allocation for them.

good to know will look for larger salary dumps for boston for next year in future. not sure if bulls would take anthony into MLE exception... need to check the math

hugepatsfan · Post #4 » by **hugepatsfan** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:36 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:I don't think BOS gives a pick for this. Their cap sheet issue isn't in the future years of Holiday's deal, it's in the current. They really don't have much, if any need to shed salary in the latter two years of Jrue's deal. If they want to avoid the tax in 26-27 then sure they need to shed like 1/3 of Jrue's deal, but as of right now they only project to pay a small amount of tax and unless they're also ducking this year they won't be resetting their repeater rate anyway.

Basically it comes out to...

25-26: big need to dump salary
26-27: minor need to dump salary
27-28: no need at all to dump salary

This deal is working in reverse for them - it's clearing salary in the years they don't need to with very little savings in the year they need to (the current one). I don't think that's good resource allocation for them.

good to know will have to tinker a bit then. Maybe Anthony into Bulls MLE?

That would be a big boost for sure because it means significant savings in the current year.

I also think they'd prefer to flip Huerter's expiring deal for a 2 year player if that enables them to pass cost to that team. Obviously it depends on what other moves they'd make, but they don't need to clear Jrue's full salary for 26-27 so I think in any deal they'd rather take back multi year salary for less asset price over paying more for expiring. The exception being if they apply the same principal to a Porzingis trade that takes back future salary to the point that they do need to clear future money in the Jrue trade to offset. But even then, they can still go into next year knowing they have some moves to make for that current year too. It doesn't have to ALL be settled this offseason.

brackdan70 · Post #5 » by **brackdan70** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:45 pm

I agree Boston shouldn’t give a pick here. Holiday is the best player in the deal. Sure they get off some future Salary, but only if they don’t try to sign /keep Huerter/ Anthony . Also feels like PHX gets off really easy turning Beal into Holiday here.
I don’t think Orlando should be giving a really good pick to participate in this either.

Godaddycurse · Post #6 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:50 pm

brackdan70 wrote:I agree Boston shouldn’t give a pick here. Holiday is the best player in the deal. Sure they get off some future Salary, but only if they don’t try to sign /keep Huerter/ Anthony . Also feels like PHX gets off really easy turning Beal into Holiday here.
I don’t think Orlando should be giving a really good pick to participate in this either.

yes its implied they dont re-sign huerter/anthony to get off holiday's money.. thats how trading for expirings work
phoenix also eats williams' terrible deal
you dont think coby is worth 16?

brackdan70 · Post #7 » by **brackdan70** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:57 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:I agree Boston shouldn’t give a pick here. Holiday is the best player in the deal. Sure they get off some future Salary, but only if they don’t try to sign /keep Huerter/ Anthony . Also feels like PHX gets off really easy turning Beal into Holiday here.
I don’t think Orlando should be giving a really good pick to participate in this either.

yes its implied they dont re-sign huerter/anthony to get off holiday's money.. thats how trading for expirings work
phoenix also eats williams' terrible deal
you dont think coby is worth 16?

I don’t personally….but maybe I am too high on this draft and low on Coby.
For Boston trading Jrue is not strictly about saving money imo. They want some useful pieces back I would think. Especially if giving up an asset. The goal is to get out of the top tiers of the repeater this year, set up an opportunity to reset the repeater tax (get under the tax) in the next couple years, and have a decent team around Tatum when he comes back.
I’d rather hold on to Jrue than do this type of trade, but maybe that’s just me.