Beal to Charlotte?

[Texas Chuck]

Maybe I am misreading, but I don't think the person you quoted said Beal = Bridges/Green/Williams, which is what you seem to be implying they are saying.

It looks like the overarching point here is Phoenix shouldn't send a 1st swap to move Beal for trash, which is what Charlotte is giving up. This isn't the 2000s where teams are spending multiple 1sts to get off salary or trading unprotected 1sts to acquire bad salary in a deal.

What do you think a realistic cost to move Beal should be?

I don't think the Suns should spend a "cost" to move Beal. He is a sunk-cost.

Ding ding ding.

Paying to turn Beal into some other meh players is not what Phoenix should be doing so the cost is moot. It's just a bad idea. Charlotte would correctly demand a price higher than Phoenix should be made. Add in the NTC clause and there is no deal here to discuss.

[JMAC3]

Maybe I am misreading, but I don't think the person you quoted said Beal = Bridges/Green/Williams, which is what you seem to be implying they are saying.

It looks like the overarching point here is Phoenix shouldn't send a 1st swap to move Beal for trash, which is what Charlotte is giving up. This isn't the 2000s where teams are spending multiple 1sts to get off salary or trading unprotected 1sts to acquire bad salary in a deal.

What do you think a realistic cost to move Beal should be?

I don't think the Suns should spend a "cost" to move Beal. He is a sunk-cost.

Great, which is why the Hornets are't interested in acquiring him so we are on the same page.

[ReggiesKnicks]

What do you think a realistic cost to move Beal should be?

I don't think the Suns should spend a "cost" to move Beal. He is a sunk-cost.

Great, which is why the Hornets are't interested in acquiring him so we are on the same page.

I am glad you realized you misread the other person's post and moved on instead of doubling down on your own misunderstanding.

I'm excited for Charlotte's off-season, though I expect a relatively quiet off-season for the Hornets as they continue to foster an environment for Ball/Miller to thrive. Miller's development this year is going to be a major tipping point in the team trying to win as early as this year or next and off-loading Ball to spend the rest of the decade rebuilding.

[jredsaz]

even ignoring the NTC, it's much harder (read: near impossible) to trade a $55M/year contract vs a combo of $25M, $14M, $14M contracts, which is the entire reason we'd require compensation even if Beal was actually going to play here. Nobody's interested in that contract, full stop

As the OP stated I think the Hornets bring Beal in to play out his deal. He expires at a great time for the Hornets cap sheet and in the interim he provides a lot of what the Hornets need.

we would want him to... but he won't. Beal likes Phoenix and is either going to stay there, or accept a buyout (from the Suns or elsewhere) that allows him to join a contender in a location of his choice. Beal holds all the cards with that NTC, and there's no reason to pretend otherwise.

That’s fair man. Probably correct about Beals preferences. But if im Charlotte I think about a deal like this. I think it makes them better and they get paid for it. That’s all.

[JMAC3]

As the OP stated I think the Hornets bring Beal in to play out his deal. He expires at a great time for the Hornets cap sheet and in the interim he provides a lot of what the Hornets need.

we would want him to... but he won't. Beal likes Phoenix and is either going to stay there, or accept a buyout (from the Suns or elsewhere) that allows him to join a contender in a location of his choice. Beal holds all the cards with that NTC, and there's no reason to pretend otherwise.

That’s fair man. Probably correct about Beals preferences. But if im Charlotte I think about a deal like this. I think it makes them better and they get paid for it. That’s all.

What is the motivation for the Suns to do this deal?

[jredsaz]

we would want him to... but he won't. Beal likes Phoenix and is either going to stay there, or accept a buyout (from the Suns or elsewhere) that allows him to join a contender in a location of his choice. Beal holds all the cards with that NTC, and there's no reason to pretend otherwise.

That’s fair man. Probably correct about Beals preferences. But if im Charlotte I think about a deal like this. I think it makes them better and they get paid for it. That’s all.

What is the motivation for the Suns to do this deal?

To get off of Beal and hope that a change of scenery might improve the play of the guys coming back. Turning Beal into three players at basically the same salary also helps their apron situation, eliminating roster holds that could elevate their cap number in future trades.

[gswhoops]

(1) I don't think it's unreasonable for some team with a substantial amount of deadweight salary and the need for a perimeter scorer to take a chance on Beal (Milwaukee, Orlando come to mind)

(2) I don't think Charlotte is that team.

[KembaWalker]

in what world does Bradley Beal bring a winning culture...

[jredsaz]

in what world does Bradley Beal bring a winning culture...

Because Beal can help the Hornets win more games. The culture is up to the organization.

[Fo-Real]

The only way Beal waives his clause to go there is if there is a full buyout waiting. So this is moot as hell.

[Dick Tate]

The only way Beal waives his clause to go there is if there is a full buyout waiting. So this is moot as hell.

The Hornets could tell him there's an extension and new NTC waiting for him. Go nuts, Charlotte!

[Econgrad]

in what world does Bradley Beal bring a winning culture...

Because Beal can help the Hornets win more games. The culture is up to the organization.

When has Bradley Beal helped any team win games? He's always put up great numbers on a bad team.

I am not a fan of the Suns and used to wish bad things on the team, but I actually feel really bad for the fans that their management/owner let Durant convince them to trade for Bradley Beal only to want out later in the same season and leave the team stuck with one of the worst contracts in the league that has a NTC.

[jredsaz]

in what world does Bradley Beal bring a winning culture...

Because Beal can help the Hornets win more games. The culture is up to the organization.

When has Bradley Beal helped any team win games? He's always put up great numbers on a bad team.

I am not a fan of the Suns and used to wish bad things on the team, but I actually feel really bad for the fans that their management/owner let Durant convince them to trade for Bradley Beal only to want out later in the same season and leave the team stuck with one of the worst contracts in the league that has a NTC.

23/24 Suns were six in the west with a super questionable roster and he put up good numbers. They won 49 games.

Why did you want to put the juju on us?! There isn’t anything perfect about the OP but if Beal can help the Hornets get to that level over the next two seasons id think their fans would take it.

[Econgrad]

Because Beal can help the Hornets win more games. The culture is up to the organization.

When has Bradley Beal helped any team win games? He's always put up great numbers on a bad team.

I am not a fan of the Suns and used to wish bad things on the team, but I actually feel really bad for the fans that their management/owner let Durant convince them to trade for Bradley Beal only to want out later in the same season and leave the team stuck with one of the worst contracts in the league that has a NTC.

23/24 Suns were six in the west with a super questionable roster and he put up good numbers. They won 49 games.

Why did you want to put the juju on us?! There isn’t anything perfect about the OP but if Beal can help the Hornets get to that level over the next two seasons id think their fans would take it.

For the juju, I just really don't like Devin Booker I guess.

Didn't the 23/24 Suns have Booker, Durant and Beal? I think 49 games is not all that surprising. Beal put up 18 and 5 in 50 games and had a BPM of 0.4, a VORP of1.1, and 3.9WS, that is not even close to $50M a year production and not really a key factor in a team winning games.

Putting Beal on a bad team again would just be the Wizards all over again but worse since he's older and not able to play a full season (he only plays around 50ish games a year since 2019).

Honestly, I feel kind of bad that the Suns are stuck with him for the next two years which hurts their ability to build a good team. At least they traded pick swaps and not actual picks.

[hugepatsfan]

that pick has minimal value. this requires a 2032 swap on top for starters... if the Suns feel like digging out that last bit of dirt before they hit bedrock


then you get into the whole situation where Beal is almost definitely not okaying a trade to Charlotte, unless it is for us to just buy him out. Which results in probably $40M+ of dead cap (assuming an MLE level buyout) both this summer and the next, and effectively takes us out of being able to trade for anybody to try and compete. Which then means we will be entering year EIGHT of the LaMelo era with nothing to show for it in 2027. That's a non-starter in itself. The Suns simply do not have the assets to convince me to throw away multiple years so that they can avoid buying out a good player. Make a KD trade, then come back to me with some of those assets. A terrible move for PHX, but that's because there is simply nothing they can do with Beal that isn't terrible.

It does and I don’t know what Beal would okay at this point. Suns are getting loud about not wanting him. Just say he wanted to play next to Ball, Miller and Williams. Hornets have plenty of assets to add in some veteran win now pieces around the. To compete without sacrificing any real flexibility moving forward.

While WAY, WAY OVER PAID, Beal is still a hyper efficient scorer. They are moving crap out for a guy who is good at basketball and they are getting a crap first, but a first none the less, back.

The problem with Beal wanting out of Phoenix because they don't want him is that no one else in the NBA wants him. MIL trading Dame's dead weight deal for him is probably the only chance of a deal and I doubt they'd attach anything but 2nds for that.

[KembaWalker]

the only connection I can kind of come up with between Beal and anyone on the Hornets is Brandon Miller played on his AAU team. and Jeremiah Fears if we make the mistake of drafting him