2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[Hangtime84]

I truly can't believe we would take Demin, He's a terrible prospect and redundant.

I see him like Franz and Chicago wants two playmakers on the floor.

[nomorezorro]

I like Egor Demin more than most, but I kind of want him to be a smokescreen because it's embarassing that every draft the league seems to know exactly who we want. Let's be cunning and sleuthy for once.

Under AK? I didn’t see any of them coming, the good ones or the bad ones.

yeah that’s honestly something that’s helping me cope with all the demin reporting. other than pat, i can’t remember any good intel on this front office’s draft plans, and pat didn’t leak until a couple of days before the draft

[HomoSapien]

I like Egor Demin more than most, but I kind of want him to be a smokescreen because it's embarrassing that every draft the league seems to know exactly who we want. Let's be cunning and sleuthy for once.

Under AK? I didn’t see any of them coming, the good ones or the bad ones.

Not limited to just AK, but we have a history of doing it in general:

Our interest in Patrick Williams was known before the draft.

“Local Bulls guru K.C. Johnson has now also hopped on the Williams hyped train, taking things further than anyone else yet. He wrote over at NBC Sports Chicago that the Bulls could be “increasingly focused” on Williams as Wednesday night nears:

‘But this is indisputable: The buzz surrounding the Bulls becoming increasingly focused on Patrick Williams is intensifying by the day.

One league source even went so far as to say he’s under the impression that the Bulls have told the Florida State forward they plan to draft him should they not trade up from No. 4.'”

https://dawindycity.com/2020/11/17/chicago-bulls-rumors-patrick-williams-draft/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Outside of the draft, it also happened with our interest in acquiring Lonzo Ball, which was a terribly kept secret.

Other examples (not just AK):

The Chicago Bulls have reportedly already settled on taking Boise State guard Chandler Hutchison in the 2018 NBA draft.

Per Aran Smith of NBADraft.net, Hutchison pulled out of participating in events at the NBA combine because the Bulls promised to take him No. 22 overall.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777001-bulls-2018-nba-draft-rumors-chicago-promised-to-pick-chandler-hutchison?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Every draft is an exaggeration, but there's just too much signaling of our interest in Demin for my liking.

[DuckIII]

I like Egor Demin more than most, but I kind of want him to be a smokescreen because it's embarrassing that every draft the league seems to know exactly who we want. Let's be cunning and sleuthy for once.

Under AK? I didn’t see any of them coming, the good ones or the bad ones.

Not limited to just AK, but we have a history of doing it in general:

Our interest in Patrick Williams was known before the draft.

“Local Bulls guru K.C. Johnson has now also hopped on the Williams hyped train, taking things further than anyone else yet. He wrote over at NBC Sports Chicago that the Bulls could be “increasingly focused” on Williams as Wednesday night nears:

‘But this is indisputable: The buzz surrounding the Bulls becoming increasingly focused on Patrick Williams is intensifying by the day.

One league source even went so far as to say he’s under the impression that the Bulls have told the Florida State forward they plan to draft him should they not trade up from No. 4.'”

https://dawindycity.com/2020/11/17/chicago-bulls-rumors-patrick-williams-draft/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Outside of the draft, it also happened with our interest in acquiring Lonzo Ball, which was a terribly kept secret.

Other examples (not just AK):

The Chicago Bulls have reportedly already settled on taking Boise State guard Chandler Hutchison in the 2018 NBA draft.

Per Aran Smith of NBADraft.net, Hutchison pulled out of participating in events at the NBA combine because the Bulls promised to take him No. 22 overall.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777001-bulls-2018-nba-draft-rumors-chicago-promised-to-pick-chandler-hutchison?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Every draft is an exaggeration, but there's just too much signaling of our interest in Demin for my liking.

Pat info was very close to the draft. Really Hutch is the only example I can think of.

The Ball thing goes in a different category. Free agency plans are often reported in advance.

[Jcool0]

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[drosestruts]

Player A:
25/12/2 with 2.5 Stocks per game. 66% TS%. 16.8 BPM.


Player B:
19/9/1.5 with 3.2 Stock per game. 68.4% TS%. 12.2 BPM.


Player C:
13/7.5/1.5 with 3 Stocks per game. 63.7% TS%. 15 BPM.

Player D:
9/7/0.5 with 1.5 stocks per game. 73.6% TS%. 10 BPM.


All centers.

How would you rank them?

I wouldn’t. Until I got to actually see them play.

Fair answer.

It's just Edey-Kalkburn-Clingan - and Maluach

So 3 top 10 picks and a projected 2nd rounder

[nomorezorro]

there's just too much signaling of our interest in Demin for my liking.

i do agree that the demin noise has a solid chance of being accurate given the volume of it. but i also legitimately believe there are meaningful differences between this situation and the bigger ak leaks.

with lonzo, it seemed like we had an understanding really really early, and once you basically have terms locked in there's not really any harm in having your interest leak. it also seems like klutch specifically was eager to play that deal up, given the news breaking the second free agency began.

with pat, the top 3 were set in stone that year, so there was no chance anyone would snipe us for pat (and if somehow someone did, one of the top 3 guys would fall to us). if we were interested in possibly trading up, it's probably good for teams to be under the impression that we were perfectly content sticking and picking at 4. the only real downside to this leak is that teams might feel less compelled to make an offer to trade up to 4 if they know with certainty we're not taking their guy, but there's a chance we weren't really open to trading down, rendering that moot.

with demin, it would be much, much more disadvantageous if our genuine target leaked before the draft. easy for someone to snipe him, hurts our trade leverage if we want to move up a few spots to secure him, might hurt our ability to solicit offers from teams interested in moving up to 12, puts us in a bad position if he comes off the board before our pick and other teams know we missed out on our main target, etc. (plus it's not like the hutchison situation where he shut it down early in the process and maximized the odds of him falling to our pick - everyone knows about the good combine workouts where he supposedly raised his stock.)

you can think of understandable reasons why the bulls wouldn't care about the other stuff getting out there, but if the demin stuff is legit, it's hard to chalk it up to anything other than sloppy work from the FO. (or...it's a smokescreen! i am definitely not just coping because i don't want him....)

[burlydee]

Demin would be in the line of Terry-Williams in that he's more theoretical than actual. The big difference between this and Matas is that they would be taking him on the high end of his range where they took Matas on the low end. Demin isn't a guy who i would expect to be productive in his first season.

It would be a swing for the fences pick. I'll give all the guys a chance but I don't see a clear pathway to production in the short term.

[Chi town]

Under AK? I didn’t see any of them coming, the good ones or the bad ones.

Not limited to just AK, but we have a history of doing it in general:

Our interest in Patrick Williams was known before the draft.

“Local Bulls guru K.C. Johnson has now also hopped on the Williams hyped train, taking things further than anyone else yet. He wrote over at NBC Sports Chicago that the Bulls could be “increasingly focused” on Williams as Wednesday night nears:

‘But this is indisputable: The buzz surrounding the Bulls becoming increasingly focused on Patrick Williams is intensifying by the day.

One league source even went so far as to say he’s under the impression that the Bulls have told the Florida State forward they plan to draft him should they not trade up from No. 4.'”

https://dawindycity.com/2020/11/17/chicago-bulls-rumors-patrick-williams-draft/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Outside of the draft, it also happened with our interest in acquiring Lonzo Ball, which was a terribly kept secret.

Other examples (not just AK):

The Chicago Bulls have reportedly already settled on taking Boise State guard Chandler Hutchison in the 2018 NBA draft.

Per Aran Smith of NBADraft.net, Hutchison pulled out of participating in events at the NBA combine because the Bulls promised to take him No. 22 overall.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777001-bulls-2018-nba-draft-rumors-chicago-promised-to-pick-chandler-hutchison?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Every draft is an exaggeration, but there's just too much signaling of our interest in Demin for my liking.

Pat info was very close to the draft. Really Hutch is the only example I can think of.

The Ball thing goes in a different category. Free agency plans are often reported in advance.

And it was known AK was trying to trade for him at that deadline but Pels were demanding a 1st.

[Chi town]

Demin would be in the line of Terry-Williams in that he's more theoretical than actual. The big difference between this and Matas is that they would be taking him on the high end of his range where they took Matas on the low end. Demin isn't a guy who i would expect to be productive in his first season.

It would be a swing for the fences pick. I'll give all the guys a chance but I don't see a clear pathway to production in the short term.

I’d be fine with Demin even without the production if he was a great athlete or had a motor. He has neither.

Easy pass.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Demin would be in the line of Terry-Williams in that he's more theoretical than actual. The big difference between this and Matas is that they would be taking him on the high end of his range where they took Matas on the low end. Demin isn't a guy who i would expect to be productive in his first season.

It would be a swing for the fences pick. I'll give all the guys a chance but I don't see a clear pathway to production in the short term.

I’d be fine with Demin even without the production if he was a great athlete or had a motor. He has neither.

Easy pass.

In your opinion, is Giddey a great athlete and does he have a motor?

[ThisGuyFawkes]

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That defense is sexy. But is he another Kris Dunn? I’d love to give the kid a shot. He’s obviously a worker and plays hard.

[nomorezorro]

Demin would be in the line of Terry-Williams in that he's more theoretical than actual. The big difference between this and Matas is that they would be taking him on the high end of his range where they took Matas on the low end. Demin isn't a guy who i would expect to be productive in his first season.

It would be a swing for the fences pick. I'll give all the guys a chance but I don't see a clear pathway to production in the short term.

I’d be fine with Demin even without the production if he was a great athlete or had a motor. He has neither.

Easy pass.

In your opinion, is Giddey a great athlete and does he have a motor?

one of giddey's greatest skills is that he's really fast with the ball in his hands, and he used that effectively to get to the rim and the line a bunch during his hot stretch. i do not think demin has shown anything close to the capacity to do that

[MGB8]

Demin would be in the line of Terry-Williams in that he's more theoretical than actual. The big difference between this and Matas is that they would be taking him on the high end of his range where they took Matas on the low end. Demin isn't a guy who i would expect to be productive in his first season.

It would be a swing for the fences pick. I'll give all the guys a chance but I don't see a clear pathway to production in the short term.

I’d be fine with Demin even without the production if he was a great athlete or had a motor. He has neither.

Easy pass.

In your opinion, is Giddey a great athlete and does he have a motor?

Giddey appears to be a slightly better athlete, and he absolutely has a motor. See the Olympics if last season wasn’t enough proof.

[kodo]

I like Egor Demin more than most, but I kind of want him to be a smokescreen because it's embarassing that every draft the league seems to know exactly who we want. Let's be cunning and sleuthy for once.

Under AK? I didn’t see any of them coming, the good ones or the bad ones.

yeah that’s honestly something that’s helping me cope with all the demin reporting. other than pat, i can’t remember any good intel on this front office’s draft plans, and pat didn’t leak until a couple of days before the draft

It was reported we had interest in Buzelis very early in the draft. We even talked about it on the board and most of us said we couldn't see how we could trade all the way up to top 5.

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[Chi town]

Demin would be in the line of Terry-Williams in that he's more theoretical than actual. The big difference between this and Matas is that they would be taking him on the high end of his range where they took Matas on the low end. Demin isn't a guy who i would expect to be productive in his first season.

It would be a swing for the fences pick. I'll give all the guys a chance but I don't see a clear pathway to production in the short term.

I’d be fine with Demin even without the production if he was a great athlete or had a motor. He has neither.

Easy pass.

In your opinion, is Giddey a great athlete and does he have a motor?

Giddey is an average athlete that plays with a high motor and a great competitive edge. If Demin had that he’d be going top 5.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I’d be fine with Demin even without the production if he was a great athlete or had a motor. He has neither.

Easy pass.

In your opinion, is Giddey a great athlete and does he have a motor?

Giddey appears to be a slightly better athlete, and he absolutely has a motor. See the Olympics if last season wasn’t enough proof.

Yeah, I wasn't doubting that. Just genuinely curious about other's views on the issue.

[Chi town]

So let’s say rumors come true…

Demin at 12.

Late 1st for Vuc and we get Drake.

Where are the mins???

Zo/Ayo/Demin
Coby/Huerter
Giddey/Buz/Drake
Buz/Pat
Collins/Smith

[DuckIII]

Demin would be in the line of Terry-Williams in that he's more theoretical than actual. The big difference between this and Matas is that they would be taking him on the high end of his range where they took Matas on the low end. Demin isn't a guy who i would expect to be productive in his first season.

It would be a swing for the fences pick. I'll give all the guys a chance but I don't see a clear pathway to production in the short term.

To be blunt, the short term can suck it. And I’m not limiting that to picking Demin. No matter who we pick it better damn we’ll be based on who we think will end up being the best. Not who will be the best next year or even the year after.

[GuardianEnzo]

One can certainly argue that Demin isn’t going to be the player some project him to be. But “redundant” to me is absurd on the face of it. 6’9” guys with elite passing, handles, and basketball IQ (if that’s what Demin turns out to be) would never be redundant on any roster. That’s kind of the main point of them.