2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8

[billy_hoyle]

Poole + #6

for

RJ + #9

Only if Tre Johnson slips then 100%

Replacing RJ with Tre would be exciting and he has star potential

PG- Quickley
SG- Johnson
SF-Ingram
PF-Barnes
C- Poeltl

think of the space for Barnes and Ingram with multiple high volume 3pt gunners in the backcourt

Even replacing RJ w/ Poole in our starting lineup could be beneficial. Poole is a much more efficient shooter and we could use his 3pt shooting/shot creation.

On the other hand, Wiz would benefit from having a guy like RJ because he's better at creating for others and they have Bub and AJ waiting in the wings.

You think RJ and his power downhill game and rim pressure isn't needed? You rather have Poole? Seriously

We want a backcourt of physically weak, perimeter shooters only?

That's not a recipe for success unless you have the splash brothers or something similiar. Is there another really good team without a slashing perimeter player?

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Pretty good read on trying to quantify "feel" with stats

https://medium.com/@arman.cherif/fred-vanvleet-ty-jerome-and-basketballs-endlessly-undervalued-intellects-a-draft-manifesto-416cb0b50e97

Using the filter used in the article for high feel guys only Cooper shows up for anyone in the draft lol. If you reduce the steal % to > 2.5 then its only Cooper and Kon

Adjusting it slightly gives this



Kon might literally be the second most impactful player in the draft

Jase is really underrated and is going to be a steal on a team in the late teens. I'd actually love to find a way to acquire him as a second guard in a Nembhard like role. He's a bit smaller but all indicators and the eye test show a good player

Demin is a relatively high feel player, so if his shot can be rehabbed he might be better than some of the wings mocked ahead of him

Edit: If you make the AST/TOV ratio 1 and keep the rest the same



Sorber is the only big in this group

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Also every metric is saying CMB should be a top pick but I'm not seeing it tbh. What am I missing?

[Syd-TK3]

Personally I've got Queen, Kon and CMB all on my do not want list

Not saying they cant be good players but not really ones that excite me

[KillaSham23]

Personally I've got Queen, Kon and CMB all on my do not want list

Not saying they cant be good players but not really ones that excite me

I think Kon can be good.
I wouldn't be upset with Queen. I'd hate CMB as our pick.

[Syd-TK3]

Personally I've got Queen, Kon and CMB all on my do not want list

Not saying they cant be good players but not really ones that excite me

I think Kon can be good.
I wouldn't be upset with Queen. I'd hate CMB as our pick.

I dont think he'll be bad at all but i dont see much to look foward to. Also if your drafting Kon RJ has to be traded at some point you gotta invest time/priority into these guys playing the same positions

[HumbleRen]

Also every metric is saying CMB should be a top pick but I'm not seeing it tbh. What am I missing?

If he had a jump shot, he would be a top 3 pick.

That’s why he’s so polarizing. Half thinks he can develop a jump shot, the other doesn’t think it’s possible.

His shot mechanics look broken to me so I’m out on him but if you believe it can be developed, I don’t fault anyone for wanting him.

[grant101]

Also every metric is saying CMB should be a top pick but I'm not seeing it tbh. What am I missing?

Not sure how much CMB you’ve seen but some describe him as some type of Draymond Green wannabe. What I think makes him special beyond his BBIQ and defence is his driving game as a big bodied forward. He gets to the rim with force and has great finishing skill, not to mention he draws fouls at a high rate. He also has a decent mid-range game that I see becoming a strength.

[mtcan]

Also every metric is saying CMB should be a top pick but I'm not seeing it tbh. What am I missing?

If you are a wing and you still can't shoot at 20 years old...it's a no from me. And then someone will say that he's actually a small ball center...but he's 6'7.

What are we teaching these kids throughout their youth if they can enter college and still not have a reliable jump shot??

[Mark_83]

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[HumbleRen]

I wish Jase was like 6’3.

He almost has everything I love in a lead guard.

[Mark_83]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

[earthtone]

Also every metric is saying CMB should be a top pick but I'm not seeing it tbh. What am I missing?

If you are a wing and you still can't shoot at 20 years old...it's a no from me. And then someone will say that he's actually a small ball center...but he's 6'7.

What are we teaching these kids throughout their youth if they can enter college and still not have a reliable jump shot??

^Because if you’re a defensive savant with great coordination, good playmaking and great strength + size, colleges are still gonna want you.

He’s good-to-elite in pretty much every area of the game aside from his shooting. He’s one of those guys who could still find a way to be a very positive impact player even if the shooting never comes around.

[Dalek]

This week, Joan Beringer's team Cedevita Olimpija won the Adriatic league title, so he can now focus on the draft.

Definitely a development project like Esssengue, but I really like his fit in the NBA as a rim running C. The key is the running. He moves very well for his size and covers ground on both ends, especially on defense as rim protector. I rate him better a better defender than Maluach because he has even better mobility and instincts.

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This is him at age 18. Year one of playing professional ball and has only played bball since September 2021. He is actually younger and less experienced than Maluach. Some how he played on a pro team, on their first team when he was not supposed to be but he literally got better each month.

Fran Frachilla listed him as 6'10" 230 lbs 7'4" ws
Finished with 5 PPG 5 Rebs 1.4 Blk overall, but also had 8.9 PPG, 7.3 Rebs and 1.8 blocks in the playoffs.

Key numbers:
64 FG%
64 TS%
17 TRB%
8 BLK%
1.5 STL%

I think he will be special player as a switch big who can run the floor for lobs and dunks. I can see him picked at 9 because this FO believes in upside and defensive talent and motor which Beringer has.

Olin Simplis plans to work and develop him in preparation for the draft. Beringer and Nolan Traore share the same Wasserman agent Jelani Floyd.

[Mark_83]

I wish Jase was like 6’3.

He almost has everything I love in a lead guard.

He still does. His unreal efficiency as a Freshman guard is comparable to some of the best players in the NBA.

[Yallbecrazy]

Pretty good read on trying to quantify "feel" with stats

https://medium.com/@arman.cherif/fred-vanvleet-ty-jerome-and-basketballs-endlessly-undervalued-intellects-a-draft-manifesto-416cb0b50e97

Using the filter used in the article for high feel guys only Cooper shows up for anyone in the draft lol. If you reduce the steal % to > 2.5 then its only Cooper and Kon

Adjusting it slightly gives this



Kon might literally be the second most impactful player in the draft

Jase is really underrated and is going to be a steal on a team in the late teens. I'd actually love to find a way to acquire him as a second guard in a Nembhard like role. He's a bit smaller but all indicators and the eye test show a good player

Demin is a relatively high feel player, so if his shot can be rehabbed he might be better than some of the wings mocked ahead of him

Edit: If you make the AST/TOV ratio 1 and keep the rest the same



Sorber is the only big in this group

****, did I sleep write this?

Only thing I will mention about Kon is his stats are inflated by his team and competition. ACC was absolutely awful this year, was probably the level of the WCC three years ago (when it was at its best). Also Kon had passing and shooting galore around him + 7'2 big in the paint while the opponent's best wing defender was either guarding Cooper or was resting because Cooper was also resting.

I find him hard to rank because his stats are great, but he also follows the commonality of 'how did they bust?' guys who had great stats, but awesome teammates and facing other team's #2 wing defender while not being the focal point of the scouting report.

At minimum I think he will have a NBA role as a 6th/7th man shooter with playmaking skills, but whose man on man defense is too poor to play with the starters.

[Spates]

Pretty good read on trying to quantify "feel" with stats

https://medium.com/@arman.cherif/fred-vanvleet-ty-jerome-and-basketballs-endlessly-undervalued-intellects-a-draft-manifesto-416cb0b50e97

Using the filter used in the article for high feel guys only Cooper shows up for anyone in the draft lol. If you reduce the steal % to > 2.5 then its only Cooper and Kon

Adjusting it slightly gives this



Kon might literally be the second most impactful player in the draft

Jase is really underrated and is going to be a steal on a team in the late teens. I'd actually love to find a way to acquire him as a second guard in a Nembhard like role. He's a bit smaller but all indicators and the eye test show a good player

Demin is a relatively high feel player, so if his shot can be rehabbed he might be better than some of the wings mocked ahead of him

Edit: If you make the AST/TOV ratio 1 and keep the rest the same



Sorber is the only big in this group

CMB get a shout out for essentially being the epitome of this type of player

[Yallbecrazy]

Also every metric is saying CMB should be a top pick but I'm not seeing it tbh. What am I missing?

Not sure how much CMB you’ve seen but some describe him as some type of Draymond Green wannabe. What I think makes him special beyond his BBIQ and defence is his driving game as a big bodied forward. He gets to the rim with force and has great finishing skill, not to mention he draws fouls at a high rate. He also has a decent mid-range game that I see becoming a strength.

Not to mention his productivity while facing college's best defenses whose entire gameplan was stopping him. Auburn thought they could guard him 1 on 1 with the national player of the year runner up in 6'10 Johni Broome and he ate Broome alive on both ends of the court. Calipari thought lol 7'2 Ivisic can guard him and he put up a career high. Tennessee who had a top 3 defense played a tight box and 1 against him and limited him to 7 pts on 3/4 from 2 and 0/3 from 3. Florida who had Haugh and/or Condon, who I think both should have been lottery picks if they declared, guarding him in each game with double teams waiting in the paint or just coming over immediately when he got within 15 feet. Georgia tried Newell against him early before pulling the plug.
He wasn't just insanely productive, he hit open guys for threes when doubles came and they couldn't hit their 3s or weren't comfortable shooting vs an aggressive closeout and then couldn't make a defense pay with their dribbling or passing after that.

Playing 31 minutes a night while trying to be the do it all offense and defense player while moving 240 lbs around is hard to do and why I think he has legit all star upside, with at minimum productive bench big floor day 1 in the NBA, and that's without a jump shot.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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[Spates]

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Some of the commentary is so frustrating because his impact and usage in the NCAA is a piss poor reflection of the NBA reality. A quick glance at some defensive tape and you'll see he has many possessions where he doesn't set foot out of the paint. Or, is in a DEEP drop. He's tasked with responsibilities and positioning that isn't tenable in the NBA.for a variety of reasons. Therefore some of these defensive stats don't apply.