2025 NBA Draft (2)

[zaz102]

Who are some players tall for their position andbat least moderately athletic that suck at defense?

Tre sucks on D, but I feel like there's a good chance he ends up fine on D. Any D comps (negative) in the NBA?

If Queen is PF, then he’s pretty decently sized with a very good standing reach for PF.

I haven't watched much of Queen. Isn't he a big though?

[Negrodamus]

Who are some players tall for their position andbat least moderately athletic that suck at defense?

Tre sucks on D, but I feel like there's a good chance he ends up fine on D. Any D comps (negative) in the NBA?

If Queen is PF, then he’s pretty decently sized with a very good standing reach for PF.

Do you think Queen will be a better scorer than Tre? Fears? Ace?

If so great, still doesn't make up for being unathletic and not a good defender.

Yes, I do. And I think his athleticism concerns are overblown judging by his agility, mpg, and number of dunks (many of which were self created)

[eyeatoma]

If Queen is PF, then he’s pretty decently sized with a very good standing reach for PF.

Do you think Queen will be a better scorer than Tre? Fears? Ace?

If so great, still doesn't make up for being unathletic and not a good defender.

Yes, I do. And I think his athleticism concerns are overblown judging by his agility, mpg, and number of dunks (many of which were self created)

Still not a good defender, which yeah you can say about Tre, Kon and others, but a big who can't defend messes up the whole team and is very hard to cover up.

[the_process]

A big who can't defend, just what we need!

You play him at power forward and guess what? Boom! We're gonna have the next Wayman Tisdale!

The Jazz bassist?

Wayman's music was top notch for the record.

[the_process]

We've had a player very similar to Queen on this team before.

It was awful.

Never again.

Kon sucking at mid rangers and admitting it isn't great, either. Everyone will close out on him super hard and chase him off the line. Will require lots of screens and shooting off movement to compensate.

The Sixers are excellent at setting screens, amirite?

I assume you're referring to Ja?

We don't speak that name aloud.

[zaz102]

I liked these scouting reports with videos and stats of strengths and weaknesses.

Ace Bailey
https://xcancel.com/SheedinATL/status/1916468397988090213#m

Tre Johnson
https://xcancel.com/SheedinATL/status/1906399649163825422#m

VJ Edgecombe
https://xcancel.com/SheedinATL/status/1904959250847129872#m

[Mik317]

currently a Tre guy

but there is an inner Ace guy in me talking to me like a green goblin mask.

"I don't think he's good....but what if doe"

[Sixersftw]

currently a Tre guy

but there is an inner Ace guy in me talking to me like a green goblin mask.

"I don't think he's good....but what if doe"

There are two wolves inside you.

One analyzes DBPVAPES% per36 for hours on end.

One simply whispers "Dat boy nice."

[Black Mage]

I liked these scouting reports with videos and stats of strengths and weaknesses.

Ace Bailey
https://xcancel.com/SheedinATL/status/1916468397988090213#m

Tre Johnson
https://xcancel.com/SheedinATL/status/1906399649163825422#m

VJ Edgecombe
https://xcancel.com/SheedinATL/status/1904959250847129872#m

This reviewer hits on a lot of the stuff I've seen and have tried to convey here.

I'm just gonna note, there's on clip where Tre throws a wildly off the mark pass and even before it misses his teammate he's got his arms up and flapping at his teammate b/c Tre thought he wasn't going to cut to the rim. If he is the pick, it's going to be comical watching Joel and Tre flapping their arms at each other. Keep telling me how a single well prepared for interview washes away the on court behavior.

[Negrodamus]

Do you think Queen will be a better scorer than Tre? Fears? Ace?

If so great, still doesn't make up for being unathletic and not a good defender.

Yes, I do. And I think his athleticism concerns are overblown judging by his agility, mpg, and number of dunks (many of which were self created)

Still not a good defender, which yeah you can say about Tre, Kon and others, but a big who can't defend messes up the whole team and is very hard to cover up.

Also overblown. He has great hands, gets a bit winded from being the scoring hub of the team, particularly as the season progressed. Needs to work on his body; I’ve never suggested otherwise.

[Black Mage]

Yes, I do. And I think his athleticism concerns are overblown judging by his agility, mpg, and number of dunks (many of which were self created)

Still not a good defender, which yeah you can say about Tre, Kon and others, but a big who can't defend messes up the whole team and is very hard to cover up.

Also overblown. He has great hands, gets a bit winded from being the scoring hub of the team, particularly as the season progressed. Needs to work on his body; I’ve never suggested otherwise.

The name finally came to me; he's a mini Robert "Tractor" Traylor!

[Arsenal]

Still not a good defender, which yeah you can say about Tre, Kon and others, but a big who can't defend messes up the whole team and is very hard to cover up.

Also overblown. He has great hands, gets a bit winded from being the scoring hub of the team, particularly as the season progressed. Needs to work on his body; I’ve never suggested otherwise.

The name finally came to me; he's a mini Robert "Tractor" Traylor!

Mike Sweetney comes to mind also. Maybe they would do better in the Ozempic era lol.

[Mik317]

currently a Tre guy

but there is an inner Ace guy in me talking to me like a green goblin mask.

"I don't think he's good....but what if doe"

There are two wolves inside you.

One analyzes DBPVAPES% per36 for hours on end.

One simply whispers "Dat boy nice."

I don't even think Ace is nice. Has so many red flags and the tape isn't even that great

but again what if doe lol.

Its doubly harder because our best two players longterm are smallish guards...so adding another albeit slightly bigger guard in Tre or VJ, while doesn't matter in the short term as they can come off the bench...it is still a fear. I wish I was as high as Negrodamus is on Queen but I am scared of the current body.

The wing scorer is the holy grail man....Ace TECHNICALLY can be that...but there is a lot of IFs and we don't do well with those lol.

[Negrodamus]

Also overblown. He has great hands, gets a bit winded from being the scoring hub of the team, particularly as the season progressed. Needs to work on his body; I’ve never suggested otherwise.

The name finally came to me; he's a mini Robert "Tractor" Traylor!

Mike Sweetney comes to mind also. Maybe they would do better in the Ozempic era lol.

Just imagining the tears coming from your guys eyes if I just said “Hyuck! Ace Bailey, just like Emoni Bates, hyuck!”

[76ciology]

I don't even think Ace is nice. Has so many red flags and the tape isn't even that great

but again what if doe lol.

In that sense, I think the right approach is to bet based on the strength of the hand, not on “what ifs”and that pretty much sums up how I’d describe Morey’s draft history.

[76ciology]

Negrodamus,

Who would you say is your best-case and worst-case comp for Derik Queen?

[Kolkmania]

We've had a player very similar to Queen on this team before.

It was awful.

Never again.

Kon sucking at mid rangers and admitting it isn't great, either. Everyone will close out on him super hard and chase him off the line. Will require lots of screens and shooting off movement to compensate.

The Sixers are excellent at setting screens, amirite?

Whenever I see Kon drive to the rim, I get a slower/jumbo-Jalen Brunson feeling. College opponents also knew he wasn't shooting off the dribble, but he got to the rim anyway and was able to get the rim protector off balance with nifty fakes, little bumps, etc.
I think it is absolutely within the realm of possibilities that he will add an off the dribble jumper to this repertoire, but that he was able to finish so efficiently without, is a big plus for me.

[76ciology]

We've had a player very similar to Queen on this team before.

It was awful.

Never again.

Kon sucking at mid rangers and admitting it isn't great, either. Everyone will close out on him super hard and chase him off the line. Will require lots of screens and shooting off movement to compensate.

The Sixers are excellent at setting screens, amirite?

Whenever I see Kon drive to the rim, I get a slower/jumbo-Jalen Brunson feeling. College opponents also knew he wasn't shooting off the dribble, but he got to the rim anyway and was able to get the rim protector off balance with nifty fakes, little bumps, etc.
I think it is absolutely within the realm of possibilities that he will add an off the dribble jumper to this repertoire, but that he was able to finish so efficiently without, is a big plus for me.

I don’t see the Brunson comparison with Kon, but I do see it with Kasparas. Kon can’t be a lead guard unlike Brunson and he typically needs a screen to get open and isn’t reliable shooting off the bounce. In contrast, Kasparas shows more of that self-creation ability, and the similarities go even deeper when you factor in his 50 FTr.

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On the other hand, I see Kon as more comparable to Grayson Allen. Both thrive as tertiary playmakers and off-ball scorers, with high IQ, great feel, and efficient production. Their games might not draw much attention, but they consistently contribute specially when they are given bigger roles (14-15ppg 4rpg 4apg as a starter in the last two seasons)

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[OleSchool]

I like KJ, probably more than I should. I really think that injury lowered his draft stock. I would have absolutely no problem if Morey drafted him.

I think he's a better PG than Maxey is right now. We would have no problem playing KJ at point and sliding Maxey to 2. Could also play McCain with him and even I a small ball lineup McCain at PG, Maxey at the 2 and KJ at the 3.

He also, plays D, albeit he's avg at it at least he recognize and reacts, unlike Tre

[Kolkmania]

We've had a player very similar to Queen on this team before.

It was awful.

Never again.

Kon sucking at mid rangers and admitting it isn't great, either. Everyone will close out on him super hard and chase him off the line. Will require lots of screens and shooting off movement to compensate.

The Sixers are excellent at setting screens, amirite?

Whenever I see Kon drive to the rim, I get a slower/jumbo-Jalen Brunson feeling. College opponents also knew he wasn't shooting off the dribble, but he got to the rim anyway and was able to get the rim protector off balance with nifty fakes, little bumps, etc.
I think it is absolutely within the realm of possibilities that he will add an off the dribble jumper to this repertoire, but that he was able to finish so efficiently without, is a big plus for me.

I don’t see the Brunson comparison with Kon, but I do see it with Kasparas. Kon can’t be a lead guard unlike Brunson and he typically needs a screen to get open and isn’t reliable shooting off the bounce. In contrast, Kasparas shows more of that self-creation ability, and the similarities go even deeper when you factor in his 50 FTr.

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On the other hand, I see Kon as more comparable to Grayson Allen. Both thrive as tertiary playmakers and off-ball scorers, with high IQ, great feel, and efficient production. Their games might not draw much attention, but they consistently contribute specially when they are given bigger roles (14-15ppg 4rpg 4apg as a starter in the last two seasons)

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I meant the similarities in their driving game. They both are very shifty when they're dealing with P&R's, using their wide bodies and plenty of fakes to get efficient shots despite their limited athleticism and relative positional length.
I get the Allen comparison, but I feel he's more a traditional SG with a more dynamic shooting style, but more limited playmaking/P&R capabilities.

The Knueppel intrigue from my side is based on his upside as a secondary playmaker. I feel that he's capable of far more than what he has showed at Duke this year.