JMAC3 wrote:2weekswithpay wrote:JMAC3 wrote:
I ask again, which other prospect this draft cycle is getting splits without player X on the court to prove they are good? I have yet to see that be the case anywhere else but if you think this is a normal prospect thing please point me to the other prospects where this is a talking point.
What exactly is wrong with looking at splits against good teams and without their best player? Does nobody ever bring up how a prospect performed against good teams or in conference play? I don't participate in draft discussions here, but conference play/tougher opponents is brought up all the time. Fears' struggles in conference play were mentioned quite often.
Likewise, I don't see the issue with bringing up splits without Flagg. It's fair to knock Kon down for playing with the best player in the country, and it's fair to bring up how he played without said player.
My point is nobody else is doing that, we are doing it because the goal is to say Kon is actually a better passer than his numbers appear. Right? That is the goal of pulling the data without Flagg?
Nobody is pulling up Dylan Harper numbers to show he scored more points per 100 possession with Bailey on the bench right? You know why? Because Harper was awesome scoring all the time and there is no need to try to oversell it. He is just good at scoring.
The fact that we are trying to sell ourselves on Kon being this hidden playmaker because he had a good game vs Georgia Tech, a team that went .500 in the worst power 5 conference, is us trying to oversell him. If he was an awesome playmaker he probably isn't behind Sion James in assists per game.
It is whatever, it is just an opinion. But the draft coverage I am consuming on Kon seems to be overselling him as a playmaker and defender. Vecenie pushing Kon as some awesome 2 way player in the NBA when there is nothing about his defensive profile that says he will be good on defense.
I will take Jeremiah Fears as a playmaker over Kon because he consistently can get down hill as a #1 option surrounded by mediocre talent and has actually showcased elite wiggle, good vision, elite traits with 9 dunks for a player his size. Vs Kon who has 2 dunks, zero wiggle in terms of crossovers or dribble moves, his highlight tape has the most basic finishing package available surrounded by 5+ other future NBA players...
Imagine Fears surrounded by the shooting of Proctor, James, Evans and then having Cooper Flagg and Khaman Maluach to pass to around the rim. Do we think Fears struggles to get to the rim and finish in that system or is he massively helped by having 4 other guys that are getting drafted around him?
Why does it matter? You're complaining about something that's irrelevant, more people should bring up splits and lineup combinations. Did I ever say that he was a better passer than his number indicated? I made it very clear the point I was making.
I understand the athleticism concerns, but Kon's is way ahead of Kispert as a creator.
If people want to mention Harper's splits or without Ace or against good teams, do it. I don't see this as irrelevant information.
What Vecenie said is irrelevant to what I said.
If you like Fears, that's fine, but I still don't see how I'm cherry picking by showing splits against good teams and without Flagg.
Told you all that for months
