Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team?

[MrGoat]

Uh, yeah. Those Bulls teams were absolutely stacked, and they even had the zebras to back them up

[Capn'O]

I think of superteams like supergroups in rock. Dylan, Petty, Harrison, Orbison, and the other guy coming together to form The Traveling Wilburys.

Bulls don't really fit that model. Like the Warriors and Spurs they were a super team or dynasty.

[Wingy]

Of course everyone is going to have their own definition which makes this question pointless to ask.

You are right!

I thought I’d seen this one before!

[ReggiesKnicks]

A team that wins it all for starters.

What is your definition? The 1996 Bulls weren't a super team. The 2011 Heat weren't a superteam. The 2021 Brooklyn Nets weren't a super team.

I am just trying to find out how you define the term. If you read my previous posts in this thread, I stated very clearly what my definition is.

- Russell’s Celtics
- Some of those Bird/Magic teams
- 12’ & 13’ Heat
- Warriors with KD

I thought the Celtics were close to having an argument when Derrick White or Al Horford was your 6th best player but they flamed out ultimately.

1996 Bulls should be here if you are including the Heatles, especially 2013.

[kodo]

No the phrase just isn't a talented team, there's plenty of teams with immense talent like the Lakers & Celtics. The term specifically is when three #1 options from different teams join up by their own agency. Scottie was never a #1 for another team (even post Bulls) and Rodman certainly wasn't or Horace.

The 87 Lakers had an MVP, 3 all stars, and the DPOY on one team was never called a super team.

I don't think the term originated from a place of "wow this team is really very good." It was more of a reference to the Justice League and Avengers, where you have heroes who headline their own comic books coming together on one team. So the "from different teams" part is important, just IMO.

[ShootersShoot]

I am fine calling them a super team if we can also agree that the heatles were a super team.

[DirtyDez]

What is your definition? The 1996 Bulls weren't a super team. The 2011 Heat weren't a superteam. The 2021 Brooklyn Nets weren't a super team.

I am just trying to find out how you define the term. If you read my previous posts in this thread, I stated very clearly what my definition is.

- Russell’s Celtics
- Some of those Bird/Magic teams
- 12’ & 13’ Heat
- Warriors with KD

I thought the Celtics were close to having an argument when Derrick White or Al Horford was your 6th best player but they flamed out ultimately.

1996 Bulls should be here if you are including the Heatles, especially 2013.

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
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[ShootersShoot]

- Russell’s Celtics
- Some of those Bird/Magic teams
- 12’ & 13’ Heat
- Warriors with KD

I thought the Celtics were close to having an argument when Derrick White or Al Horford was your 6th best player but they flamed out ultimately.

1996 Bulls should be here if you are including the Heatles, especially 2013.

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
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Its interesting wade averaged 19.6ppg in the 13 finals and people were calling him washed and therefore they werent a superteam, yet we saw pippen averaging 15.7ppg in the 96 and 98 finals.

[ScrantonBulls]

1996 Bulls should be here if you are including the Heatles, especially 2013.

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
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Its interesting wade averaged 19.6ppg in the 13 finals and people were calling him washed and therefore they werent a superteam, yet we saw pippen averaging 15.7ppg in the 96 and 98 finals.

Hear me out on this crazy idea here - it's almost as if there is more to evaluating a player than PPG.

[ChiTownHero1992]

First three peat absolutely not, all 3 stars home grown and drafted.

Second three peat, i'm fifty-fifty, while the 2 main stars are still home grown, the third "Star" Rodman was not, however not a single team in the league wanted him so to me its not like he was a "big star" that everyone wanted to better their teams

A Super Team - Is like the term Super Group in Music, or Team Up in Comics, etc a manufactured team built by brining together the top notch players from other teams to create "the best"

The first 3 peat just does not fit that definition as nearly 75% of the players on the team during first 3 were drafted in-house, the rest were guys on their last legs aging Bill Cartwright, aging John Paxson, etc

The second 3 peat is slightly different, Jordan, Pippen, Longley, Kukoc were really the only in-house picks, Harper was once an all-star level, Rodman once an all-star level (though no one wanted him), Kerr was a coveted floor spacer so i could see this one going either way. 3 of their top 5, and 4 of their top 6 players though were home-grown.

[ShootersShoot]

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
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Its interesting wade averaged 19.6ppg in the 13 finals and people were calling him washed and therefore they werent a superteam, yet we saw pippen averaging 15.7ppg in the 96 and 98 finals.

Hear me out on this crazy idea here - it's almost as if there is more to evaluating a player than PPG.

And hear me out here..not every player needs to have great offensive stats in the finals for a team to be considered a superteam.

And thanks! You actually proved my point..
If we are judging guys by having star statistical performances on the biggest stage, pippens wouldnt count is all I am saying. But if we consider his caliber of player and how teams needed to account for him on both ends, then we have to consider the same for guys like wade, bosh

[ReggiesKnicks]

1996 Bulls should be here if you are including the Heatles, especially 2013.

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
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Its interesting wade averaged 19.6ppg in the 13 finals and people were calling him washed and therefore they werent a superteam, yet we saw pippen averaging 15.7ppg in the 96 and 98 finals.

Yeah, Pippen's biggest weakness and what held him back from being a bona fide 1B to Jordan's 1A (They were instead a clear 1/2) was his scoring. He still was incredible overall in the 1996 finals with 8.2 Rebounds, 5.3 Assists (led Bulls), 2.3 Steals (led Bulls), and 1.3 Blocks with a sub 10% TOV%. Wade was similar in 2013, with 4.0 Rebounds, 4.6 Assists, 1.0 Steals, and 1.3 Blocks.

[Iwasawitness]

A superteam starting Ron Harper and Luc Longley? Stop it.

So the 2011 Heat weren't a super team either then?

[pwayknicks]

Relative to their peers, was there a team with its third best player that is as good as Dennis Rodman?
Shaq/Penny (Penny is starting to be injury prone)
Malone/Stockton
Payton/Kemp
Olajuwon/Drexler (not really after 96)
Ewing/Starks (not really)
Miller/Smit (not really)

None of those teams had a decent third option except for Utah with Jeff Hornacek and Seattle with Schrempf (Chicago only needed to face one each year in the finals). So yes the Bulls are a superteam.

Um ho grant was better than Rodman or at least comparable at that stage in their careers.

Houston had cassel who was def comparable talent wise.

Indy Jalen rose, Davis brothers.

Rodman was traded for Will perdue cuz no1 wanted the headache not cuz he forced himself to Chicago. He was good but was not the same guy especially in 97&98.


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[ShootersShoot]

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
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Its interesting wade averaged 19.6ppg in the 13 finals and people were calling him washed and therefore they werent a superteam, yet we saw pippen averaging 15.7ppg in the 96 and 98 finals.

Yeah, Pippen's biggest weakness and what held him back from being a bona fide 1B to Jordan's 1A (They were instead a clear 1/2) was his scoring. He still was incredible overall in the 1996 finals with 8.2 Rebounds, 5.3 Assists (led Bulls), 2.3 Steals (led Bulls), and 1.3 Blocks with a sub 10% TOV%. Wade was similar in 2013, with 4.0 Rebounds, 4.6 Assists, 1.0 Steals, and 1.3 Blocks.

1.9 steals for wade in 13 but yea pippens greatness did stem from his all around game. In a situation like the finals sometimes its best even as a hofer, to give it to the superstar and get outta the way.

[sashaturiaf]

No. They're not even close to Lebrons superteams in terms of superteamness. MJ simply isn't a good enough a GM to create a superteam, just look at his work with the Hornets.

However. MJ was just that good on court that he overcame his crap GMing by still delivering superteam results.

[ScrantonBulls]

No. They're not even close to Lebrons superteams in terms of superteamness. MJ simply isn't a good enough a GM to create a superteam, just look at his work with the Hornets.

However. MJ was just that good on court that he overcame his crap GMing by still delivering superteam results.

sashaturiaf when he sees a thread about MJ - "LeBron LeBron LeBron!!1"

[DirtyDez]

A superteam starting Ron Harper and Luc Longley? Stop it.

So the 2011 Heat weren't a super team either then?

No they weren’t.

A.) they didn’t win the title
B.) they were nowhere as deep as their successors

[nzahir]

Easily...

Pippen was a 1st team all defensive 5/6 years they won and on 2nd team in 1990-1991
Horace Grant was 2nd team all defense in 1992-1993
Rodman was all 1st team defense in 1995-1996

Pippen was 2nd or 3rd team all nba 4/6 years, 1st team in in 1995-1996

So every year he had another guy on an all nba team with him except in 1990-1991 (but Pippen was still on all defense)

And a couple years he had 2 teammates on all defense

And that was in the weak and wattered down 90s....nobody had similar talent as MJ in his era

This image is before AD to the Lakers, but Lebron is thought of having a ton of help (and during an era of all time great teams and talent such as GS, Bostons big 3, LAL with Kobe, Gasol, and others), etc

[prophet_of_rage]

Relative to their peers, was there a team with its third best player that is as good as Dennis Rodman?
Shaq/Penny (Penny is starting to be injury prone)
Malone/Stockton
Payton/Kemp
Olajuwon/Drexler (not really after 96)
Ewing/Starks (not really)
Miller/Smit (not really)

None of those teams had a decent third option except for Utah with Jeff Hornacek and Seattle with Schrempf (Chicago only needed to face one each year in the finals). So yes the Bulls are a superteam.

Forget third option let's go fourrh and fiftg option with Kukoc and Harper who sacrificed his offence to win.

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