Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team?

[prophet_of_rage]

"Super team" is almost always a manufactured pejorative term aimed at dominant teams and players you tend to not care for.

So the answer is:

Do you like the Bulls? Not a super team
Do you dislike the Bulls? Super team

Correct.

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[One Last Shot]

- Russell’s Celtics
- Some of those Bird/Magic teams
- 12’ & 13’ Heat
- Warriors with KD

I thought the Celtics were close to having an argument when Derrick White or Al Horford was your 6th best player but they flamed out ultimately.

1996 Bulls should be here if you are including the Heatles, especially 2013.

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
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1996 Bulls
-MVP of the year
-Coach of the year
-Scoring champ
-Rebounding champ
-2 All-NBA 1st team
-3 All-defensive 1st team
-6th man of the year
-2nd best 3-point shooter
-DPOY runner-up
-2 players in Top 5 in MVP voting

*remove Jordan and this is what's left
-Coach of the year
-Rebounding champ
-1 All-NBA 1st team
-2 All-defensive 1st team
-6th man of the year
-2nd best 3-point shooter
-DPOY runner-up
-1 player in Top 5 in MVP voting


2013 Heat
-MVP of the year
-1 All-NBA 1st team
-1 All-NBA 3rd team
-1 All-defensive 1st team
-DPOY runner-up

*remove LeBron and this is what's left
-1 All-NBA 3rd team


Conclusion: 2013 Heat easily the superteam because of crazy spacers.

[prophet_of_rage]

A superteam starting Ron Harper and Luc Longley? Stop it.

The 2011 Heat, commonly called a Superteam, started Carlos Arroyo and Zydrunas Ilgauskas/Joel Anthony/Erick Dampier.

What is your definition of a superteam?

Whatever supports Jordan.

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[ScrantonBulls]

1996 Bulls should be here if you are including the Heatles, especially 2013.

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
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1996 Bulls
-MVP of the year
-Coach of the year
-Scoring champ
-Rebounding champ
-2 All-NBA 1st team
-3 All-defensive 1st team
-6th man of the year
-2nd best 3-point shooter
-DPOY runner-up
-2 players in Top 5 in MVP voting

*remove Jordan and this is what's left
-Coach of the year
-Rebounding champ
-1 All-NBA 1st team
-2 All-defensive 1st team
-6th man of the year
-2nd best 3-point shooter
-DPOY runner-up
-1 player Top 5 in MVP voting


2013 Heat
-MVP of the year
-1 All-NBA 1st team
-1 All-NBA 3rd team
-1 All-defensive 1st team
-DPOY runner-up

*remove LeBron and this is what's left
-1 All-NBA 3rd team


Conclusion: 2013 Heat easily the superteam because of crazy spacers.

Yeah but, but.. Collusion! The Decision! JJ Barea!!1

[NO-KG-AI]

Pippen and Grant/Rodman aren’t nearly good or dominant enough on their own to be a super team. If Scottie was LeBron’s second best offensive player, he’s leaving for a new team, and his fans are talking about how Scottie isn’t much off the ball and messes up LeBron’s precious spacing.

[GreenBloodedC]

No one called them a superteam until recently

[DirtyDez]

1996 Bulls should be here if you are including the Heatles, especially 2013.

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
.

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1996 Bulls
-MVP of the year
-Coach of the year
-Scoring champ
-Rebounding champ
-2 All-NBA 1st team
-3 All-defensive 1st team
-6th man of the year
-2nd best 3-point shooter
-DPOY runner-up
-2 players in Top 5 in MVP voting

*remove Jordan and this is what's left
-Coach of the year
-Rebounding champ
-1 All-NBA 1st team
-2 All-defensive 1st team
-6th man of the year
-2nd best 3-point shooter
-DPOY runner-up
-1 player in Top 5 in MVP voting


2013 Heat
-MVP of the year
-1 All-NBA 1st team
-1 All-NBA 3rd team
-1 All-defensive 1st team
-DPOY runner-up

*remove LeBron and this is what's left
-1 All-NBA 3rd team


Conclusion: 2013 Heat easily the superteam because of crazy spacers.

Cool accolades. The 2013 Heat had a 10-deep playoff rotation. Who are Luc Longley, Jud Beuchler and Bill Wennington replacing here?
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[ScrantonBulls]

Pippen and Grant/Rodman aren’t nearly good or dominant enough on their own to be a super team. If Scottie was LeBron’s second best offensive player, he’s leaving for a new team, and his fans are talking about how Scottie isn’t much off the ball and messes up LeBron’s precious spacing.

You really can't argue with a rock solid point like this. LeBron would be gone if his #2 was a top 5-10 player in the league. Especially if the team has the best #3 - #7 in the league too. And the best coach.

He'd be gone. Gotten out of dodge. Sayonara.

[NZB2323]

Freaking HOF Kukoc came off the bench. That team was something else.

Kukoc is in the HOF based on his international accomplishments. He never made an all-star team.

[NZB2323]

No the phrase just isn't a talented team, there's plenty of teams with immense talent like the Lakers & Celtics. The term specifically is when three #1 options from different teams join up by their own agency. Scottie was never a #1 for another team (even post Bulls) and Rodman certainly wasn't or Horace.

The 87 Lakers had an MVP, 3 all stars, and the DPOY on one team was never called a super team.

I don't think the term originated from a place of "wow this team is really very good." It was more of a reference to the Justice League and Avengers, where you have heroes who headline their own comic books coming together on one team. So the "from different teams" part is important, just IMO.

I agree with this. I’ve never heard the 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, or 2016 Warriors called a super team.

I think the first time I heard the term used was for the 08 Celtics because KG, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen were the best players on their own team, and then they teamed up to be a “superteam.”

The 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, or 2016 Warriors may be better than the 08 Celtics, but that doesn’t make them a superteam.

[Statlanta]

As another poster pointed out there's differences between teams and superteams.

The 2004 Lakers were a superteam while the 1998 Lakers with 4 All-Stars were not.
The 2013 Lakers were a superteam while the 2009 Lakers were not.

The 2018-2019 Warriors were a superteam(probably the best example in NBA history)
Thompson(2018 All-Star)
Curry(2018 All-Star)
Green(2018 All-Star)
Cousins(2018 All-Star)
Durant(2018 All-Star)

while the 2015 Warriors were not
Lee(2013 All-Star)
Thompson(2015 All-Star)
Iguodala(2012 All-Star)
Curry(2014 All-Star)
Green(2016 All-Star)

You can be a superteam and NOT win the title as per the 2018-2019 Warriors example. You can be a superteam and have substandard players on your rotation, as the Warriors had knuckleheads like Javale McGee, Nick Young and Jordan Bell playing meaningful minutes on their rosters.

The Bulls were no superteam, they are retroactively deemed as such given their success. Few GMs cared about post-All Star Harper and locker room poison in Rodman.

[Statlanta]

super team is a milennial word

i don't recall anyone calling the bulls, lakers, or celts, 60s celts or even as late as kobe/nash a "superteam".

Nah that ain't no millennial word, maybe the meaning has been diluted like how we broke the word 'literally', we had an NBA team have 5 players from a previous All-Star.

1 team had half the players on this squad, you can't tell me that isn't busted

[ball_takes23]

As another poster pointed out there's differences between teams and superteams.

The 2004 Lakers were a superteam while the 1998 Lakers with 4 All-Stars were not.
The 2013 Lakers were a superteam while the 2009 Lakers were not.

The 2018-2019 Warriors were a superteam(probably the best example in NBA history)
Thompson(2018 All-Star)
Curry(2018 All-Star)
Green(2018 All-Star)
Cousins(2018 All-Star)
Durant(2018 All-Star)

while the 2015 Warriors were not
Lee(2013 All-Star)
Thompson(2015 All-Star)
Iguodala(2012 All-Star)
Curry(2014 All-Star)
Green(2016 All-Star)

You can be a superteam and NOT win the title as per the 2018-2019 Warriors example. You can be a superteam and have substandard players on your rotation, as the Warriors had knuckleheads like Javale McGee, Nick Young and Jordan Bell playing meaningful minutes on their rosters.

The Bulls were no superteam, they are retroactively deemed as such given their success. Few GMs cared about post-All Star Harper and locker room poison in Rodman.

Exactly. One great example is Kawhi getting traded to the Raptors. He had as good of a supporting cast that any star could possibly hope for in Toronto, yet not a single person was calling the Raptors a superteam, because they simply didn’t meet the criteria of 3 or more superstars joining together. Superteam has never been about how good the team actually is, it’s always been about who is on the team and how the team was formed.

[HomoSapien]

To me, a super team is 3 lead guys coming together to form a squad. Some examples: the Rockets with Olajuwon/Drexler/Barkley, the Lakers with O'Neal/Kobe/Malone/Payton, the Celtics with KG, Pierce, Allen, and of course the Heatles. Rodman was great, but he was a specialty player. No one was ever thinking about building a team around him. For that reason, I don't consider them a super team.

[HomoSapien]

A superteam starting Ron Harper and Luc Longley? Stop it.

The 2011 Heat, commonly called a Superteam, started Carlos Arroyo and Zydrunas Ilgauskas/Joel Anthony/Erick Dampier.

What is your definition of a superteam?

A team that wins it all for starters.

No. A super team is when you have at least three franchise players.

[Iwasawitness]

A superteam starting Ron Harper and Luc Longley? Stop it.

So the 2011 Heat weren't a super team either then?

No they weren’t.

A.) they didn’t win the title
B.) they were nowhere as deep as their successors

I appreciate the fact that someone out there realizes that the 2011 Miami Heat weren't all that good, but by popular definition they were in fact a super team.

The problem is that people automatically equate super team with being a good one. That isn't always necessarily the case.

[Sofia]

A superteam starting Ron Harper and Luc Longley? Stop it.

Yeah, pretty weak era, agreed.

[Edrees]

For me super team is either a team with 3 or more All NBA 1st team players or a team with two players who can win MVP if they were on seperate teams plus one or two more all NBA players. For example

Curry , KD, Klay, Draymond - Yes. Two MVPs, one all NBA 2nd team player, and one all NBA 3rd team player
Lebron, Wade, Bosh - Yes. 3 All NBA first team players, and even two MVPs level players (wade is 57th in MVP win shares which is quite high and he got close to winning many times. Also he was a finals MVP.)
Dwight, Pau, Kobe - Yes. 3 all NBA 1st team players. (Not counting nash since he was past his prime but I think he was still ALL NBA 3rd team level when healthy)
Bulls - NO. Just Jordan and Scottie for 1st team all NBA. Rodman never made anything higher than all NBA 3rd team. And Scottie could not win an MVP on another team like Curry or KD could have.

If you say all stars that means Cleveland Cavaliers were a super team this year which is stupid.

Sometimes being an all star in the east is pretty easy. just look at some of the players who made it in the last 10 years. those are not superteam worthy players.

A superteam starting Ron Harper and Luc Longley? Stop it.

Yeah, pretty weak era, agreed.

That has nothing to do with weak eras. It means they were a balanced team. Superteams are not necessarily better, they are just more top heavy.

[The4thHorseman]

I'm gonna say no. Rodman was in his mid-30s and past his prime when he joined Chicago. And dude was a shell of his former self in 1998.

He still won the rebounding title that year, his 7th consecutive. Either he wasn't a shell of his former self or it just shows how bad the league really was at the time.

[art_tatum]

I'm gonna say no. Rodman was in his mid-30s and past his prime when he joined Chicago. And dude was a shell of his former self in 1998.

He still won the rebounding title that year, his 7th consecutive. Either he wasn't a shell of his former self or it just shows how bad the league really was at the time.

andre drummond was the league leading rebounder multiple years.
was he a all star level player?
or it just shows how bad the league really was at the time.