2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[HeatFan_NC]

One reporter Brett Siegal who’s a nobody said we could have interest in DeRozan and a good chunk of the fan base has taken it and run with it to absurd levels. DeRozan had friendships with Lowry and Butler so previous interest made sense. Some have turned so desperate that you're trying to wishcast something that makes absolute zero sense basketball wise. Put Ware, Bam, and DeRozan together? Really that’s what we are hoping happens? DeRozan and Herro defensively? Comical. Even with the partial guarantee which is still bloated i might add it still makes no sense. I’d rather start Jaime Jaquez Jr all year.

I don't think DeRozan is the answer. He's Herro with better handles and no 3pt range.

[MettaWorldPanda]

One reporter Brett Siegal who’s a nobody said we could have interest in DeRozan and a good chunk of the fan base has taken it and run with it to absurd levels. DeRozan had friendships with Lowry and Butler so previous interest made sense. Some have turned so desperate that you're trying to wishcast something that makes absolute zero sense basketball wise. Put Ware, Bam, and DeRozan together? Really that’s what we are hoping happens? DeRozan and Herro defensively? Comical. Even with the partial guarantee which is still bloated i might add it still makes no sense. I’d rather start Jaime Jaquez Jr all year.

I don't think DeRozan is the answer. He's Herro with better handles and no 3pt range.

Heat twitter has worked themselves into a whirlwind of selling DeRozan cause they have given up all hope lol. So many better fits over DeRozan yet still obsessing over DeRozan. Just do nothing and keep Wiggins and JJJ if DeRozan is the only option.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

It’s the most noise around the Spurs right now so all the fake insiders will be piggybacking like they did with us, the rockets, etc. we’ll see what happens

[Vertical Limit]

Im going with Derozan stays in cali, either LA team
Durant ends up in either Rockets or Spurs
Giannis stays at Bucks
Golden State contacts us to get Wiggins back

[Wiltside]

Don't want DeRozen. I'd honestly rather just give Jaime more reps and see if he can refind his mojo. DeRozen is not a ceiling raiser for this team, or any team really, at this stage of his career.

I think we either trade for Durant, or play the kids. I'm OK with either one tbh. If going for KD, I hope the cost is reasonable and we aren't mortgaging our future and best young talent...but we'll see how it plays out.

I'd honestly be OK with a full season of:

PG - D.Smith (if healthy) / D. Mitchell
SG - T.Herro / P.Larsson
SF - J.Jaquez / K.Johnson
PF - B. Adebayo / N. Jovic
C - K.Ware / Backup lob threat 5

Add pick 20 to the mix and see if we can make the postseason and keep our powder dry. Use Wiggins, Robinson and Rozier to acquire someone who fits better. I'm OK with Wiggins staying, but Rozier and Robinson need to go.

E.g. if we took Cedric Coward for example, he could compete with Jaime for that starting 3 spot and see who wins out. We might not be good, but we'd be interesting and have a clean cap sheet and some young talent to work with.

[RexBoyWonder]

I agree. The well is dry out there. I wouldn't be shocked if we have already come to terms on a contract with him and it can't be announced yet. I also assume it will be around the 9-11 mil range which is near his QO.

9 mil/yr wouldn't be bad, especially if we can get a good PG in the draft. Do you think Mitchell and Walter Clayton Jr would be a good 1-2 punch for us at the PG spot?

Yes i think Mitchell and WCJ would be a suitable PG duo. Both are built like running backs. WCJ is more of a scorer while Mitchell is the defensive counter.

Sure, Suitable for a 10 seed.

Talent wins. We need starting level PG talent.

[RexBoyWonder]

The implication here is that if we retain Mitchell its an overpay. I think its a lazy comparison, and I'm someone who agrees that Duncan was a mistake. Mitchell brings immense value as an elite POA defender at the PG position, those guys you can find but they do not grow on trees. As long as the AAV is reasonable and his 3P shooting can be in the 37-40% range you get your money's worth because a defender doesn't go on cold streaks. Duncan is a shooter that cant create his own shot and doesn't defend, you can find one of those guys and put him through the player development program every year.

The issue is less about Mitchell (or Robinson) as a player and more about a reasonable conclusion of how replaceable said player is. And both Robinson and Mitchell are highly replaceable. Even this past year, it would be hard to argue Robinson was better than Alec Burks (minimum salary add).

Years ago, Miami refused to pay backups big money, including guys who had career years with Miami. Players like John Crotty, Ike Austin, Jason Kapono, Mike James, Rafer Alston...etc. Who did Miami decide to break that rule with? Anthony Carter, Udonis Haslem, and Duncan Robinson (there are a few others you could name here, as well).

Miami will generally be able to find players like Davion Mitchell and Duncan Robinson in almost any offseason via FA or the draft, or as a throw-in in a trade. Look at the Pacers with Nesmith (throw-in in a trade), Nembhard (2nd round pick, #31), and TJ McConnell (undrafted). Look at OKC with Caruso (undrafted, acquired via trade), Wiggins (2nd round pick, #55), and Isaiah Joe (2nd round pick, #49).

The level of talent available in the 2nd round and undrafted is getting better and better, and Miami has been a team that has proven it can maximize those kinds of players.

Actually Robinson has been irreplaceable. The problem was Robinson himself, his inconsistencies. When Robinson is playing to his potential he was a damn near irreplaceable peice. Burk and even Strus couldnt immulate Robinson when he played to his potential. The offense was always at its best when Robinson was on his game. Those long funks he would go into hurt the team just as much as when he was on carried the team. Burks NEVER had the impact that Robinson had when he was focused.

In a salary cap league you can't devote big resources for inconsistent role players.

Duncan's contract was horrible and negative from day 1, you should spend the big money on stars and difference makers and them only. In some cases you can spend medium money on consistent, proven, 2 way role players. Duncan was never that.


For the same reason We better not overpay for Mitchell, who was looking at a minimum contract just a few months ago before playing well here.

[HeatFan_NC]

The issue is less about Mitchell (or Robinson) as a player and more about a reasonable conclusion of how replaceable said player is. And both Robinson and Mitchell are highly replaceable. Even this past year, it would be hard to argue Robinson was better than Alec Burks (minimum salary add).

Years ago, Miami refused to pay backups big money, including guys who had career years with Miami. Players like John Crotty, Ike Austin, Jason Kapono, Mike James, Rafer Alston...etc. Who did Miami decide to break that rule with? Anthony Carter, Udonis Haslem, and Duncan Robinson (there are a few others you could name here, as well).

Miami will generally be able to find players like Davion Mitchell and Duncan Robinson in almost any offseason via FA or the draft, or as a throw-in in a trade. Look at the Pacers with Nesmith (throw-in in a trade), Nembhard (2nd round pick, #31), and TJ McConnell (undrafted). Look at OKC with Caruso (undrafted, acquired via trade), Wiggins (2nd round pick, #55), and Isaiah Joe (2nd round pick, #49).

The level of talent available in the 2nd round and undrafted is getting better and better, and Miami has been a team that has proven it can maximize those kinds of players.

Actually Robinson has been irreplaceable. The problem was Robinson himself, his inconsistencies. When Robinson is playing to his potential he was a damn near irreplaceable peice. Burk and even Strus couldnt immulate Robinson when he played to his potential. The offense was always at its best when Robinson was on his game. Those long funks he would go into hurt the team just as much as when he was on carried the team. Burks NEVER had the impact that Robinson had when he was focused.

In a salary cap league you can't devote big resources for inconsistent role players.

Duncan's contract was horrible and negative from day 1, you should spend the big money on stars and difference makers and them only. In some cases you can spend medium money on consistent, proven, 2 way role players. Duncan was never that.


For the same reason We better not overpay for Mitchell, who was looking at a minimum contract just a few months ago before playing well here.

Well said!

[SA37]

Don't want DeRozen. I'd honestly rather just give Jaime more reps and see if he can refind his mojo. DeRozen is not a ceiling raiser for this team, or any team really, at this stage of his career.

I think we either trade for Durant, or play the kids. I'm OK with either one tbh. If going for KD, I hope the cost is reasonable and we aren't mortgaging our future and best young talent...but we'll see how it plays out.

I'd honestly be OK with a full season of:

PG - D.Smith (if healthy) / D. Mitchell
SG - T.Herro / P.Larsson
SF - J.Jaquez / K.Johnson
PF - B. Adebayo / N. Jovic
C - K.Ware / Backup lob threat 5

Add pick 20 to the mix and see if we can make the postseason and keep our powder dry. Use Wiggins, Robinson and Rozier to acquire someone who fits better. I'm OK with Wiggins staying, but Rozier and Robinson need to go.

E.g. if we took Cedric Coward for example, he could compete with Jaime for that starting 3 spot and see who wins out. We might not be good, but we'd be interesting and have a clean cap sheet and some young talent to work with.

It's fine to not want DeRozan, but this idea of Miami just having a team of G-leaguers is not the way to go. Players like Durant do not want to go to Miami to play with Herro, Bam, and a bunch of unproven young players. The list of teams that have lost talent young players because they couldn't surround them with a good supporting cast is long.

One of the things OKC, San Antonio, Miami....etc have done in the past/present is to surround their young players with exemplary vets. It's why "Heat culture" exists. I don't see any reason why Miami would abandon that strategy, and a player like DeRozan is an exemplary vet who still can produce at a high level.

[SA37]

The issue is less about Mitchell (or Robinson) as a player and more about a reasonable conclusion of how replaceable said player is. And both Robinson and Mitchell are highly replaceable. Even this past year, it would be hard to argue Robinson was better than Alec Burks (minimum salary add).

Years ago, Miami refused to pay backups big money, including guys who had career years with Miami. Players like John Crotty, Ike Austin, Jason Kapono, Mike James, Rafer Alston...etc. Who did Miami decide to break that rule with? Anthony Carter, Udonis Haslem, and Duncan Robinson (there are a few others you could name here, as well).

Miami will generally be able to find players like Davion Mitchell and Duncan Robinson in almost any offseason via FA or the draft, or as a throw-in in a trade. Look at the Pacers with Nesmith (throw-in in a trade), Nembhard (2nd round pick, #31), and TJ McConnell (undrafted). Look at OKC with Caruso (undrafted, acquired via trade), Wiggins (2nd round pick, #55), and Isaiah Joe (2nd round pick, #49).

The level of talent available in the 2nd round and undrafted is getting better and better, and Miami has been a team that has proven it can maximize those kinds of players.

Actually Robinson has been irreplaceable. The problem was Robinson himself, his inconsistencies. When Robinson is playing to his potential he was a damn near irreplaceable peice. Burk and even Strus couldnt immulate Robinson when he played to his potential. The offense was always at its best when Robinson was on his game. Those long funks he would go into hurt the team just as much as when he was on carried the team. Burks NEVER had the impact that Robinson had when he was focused.

In a salary cap league you can't devote big resources for inconsistent role players.

Duncan's contract was horrible and negative from day 1, you should spend the big money on stars and difference makers and them only. In some cases you can spend medium money on consistent, proven, 2 way role players. Duncan was never that.


For the same reason We better not overpay for Mitchell, who was looking at a minimum contract just a few months ago before playing well here.

100%. Dante Exum just gave Dallas production as good or better than D Mitchell gave Miami, and he did it for the minimum.

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[MiamiSun]

One reporter Brett Siegal who’s a nobody said we could have interest in DeRozan and a good chunk of the fan base has taken it and run with it to absurd levels. DeRozan had friendships with Lowry and Butler so previous interest made sense. Some have turned so desperate that you're trying to wishcast something that makes absolute zero sense basketball wise. Put Ware, Bam, and DeRozan together? Really that’s what we are hoping happens? DeRozan and Herro defensively? Comical. Even with the partial guarantee which is still bloated i might add it still makes no sense. I’d rather start Jaime Jaquez Jr all year.

I don't think DeRozan is the answer. He's Herro with better handles and no 3pt range.

DeRozan could be a good acquisition if we have to part with Herro in order to get Giannis. (a long shot I know)

Trading Herro, Duncan, Rozier, Ware and other pieces, keeping Bam and adding Giannis and DeRozan and that's a team I would have high hopes for.

Otherwise I don't want DeRozan.

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I like Durant, but you don't give the farm for a 37 year old when next season starts. That's damn near malpractice

[greg4012]

Seeing a lot of Laker fans thirsting to trade for Wiggins on twitter.

I was told his contract was a liability that Miami would need to add assets to get off of. It is just twitter fans so who knows. But, interesting to see the sentiment out there.

[EMC5466]

Ethan Skolnick has been hinting for weeks that Spo and Wiggins don’t like each other.

[Kobewade11]

I like Durant, but you don't give the farm for a 37 year old when next season starts. That's damn near malpractice

Yep. Most I would do is Jaime, Wiggins, Rozier and some of protected pick. Not paying Jimmy 56+ for the next two years was the right move, dont get back into the hole by getting into a bidding war and clearing out the cupboard for a 37 year old. Of the 5 teams mentioned I think at least 3 can outbid us comfortably if they are motivated and if KD wants to be there.