Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[Knicks365247]

I’ve heard rumors Dominique never really tore his Achilles…

[SlimShady83]

Question about Beals no trade clause. If suns decide too stretch Beals contract to 4-5 years, does the NTC get waived or does it stay no matter what?

Stretch, like stretch waive? His contract would be terminated, so there’d be no contractual agreement with a no trade clause. His salary would be locked on the books for those 4-5 years and can’t be traded off the cap or anything. It’s just there.

If you mean stretch as in “extend”, then the no trade clause would still exist. It can only be added or removed if a player is signing a completely new contract. As in, they are an unrestricted free agent and sign a new contract in free agency rather than an extension of an existing contract. But also, it’s infinitely unlikely that Phx or anyone wants to extend Beal. So I assume you mean the stretch waiver.

I was just thinking, why don't they stretch and waive him re-claim him from waivers b4 any team gets him and since he wants to stay with Suns, he'll most likely sign with Suns on new contract, but this time around with out the "No Trade Clause" and then sign him, but then realize they will have two contracts of one player, but this way at least they can trade him and get something for him even if it means paying 2 contracts?, thought I found a loophole lols.

[giberish]

Question about Beals no trade clause. If suns decide too stretch Beals contract to 4-5 years, does the NTC get waived or does it stay no matter what?

Stretch, like stretch waive? His contract would be terminated, so there’d be no contractual agreement with a no trade clause. His salary would be locked on the books for those 4-5 years and can’t be traded off the cap or anything. It’s just there.

If you mean stretch as in “extend”, then the no trade clause would still exist. It can only be added or removed if a player is signing a completely new contract. As in, they are an unrestricted free agent and sign a new contract in free agency rather than an extension of an existing contract. But also, it’s infinitely unlikely that Phx or anyone wants to extend Beal. So I assume you mean the stretch waiver.

I was just thinking, why don't they stretch and waive him re-claim him from waivers b4 any team gets him and since he wants to stay with Suns, he'll most likely sign with Suns on new contract, but this time around with out the "No Trade Clause" and then sign him, but then realize they will have two contracts of one player, but this way at least they can trade him and get something for him even if it means paying 2 contracts?, thought I found a loophole lols.

Well in a waive and stretch no one would claim Beal off waivers as they would be on the hook for his full current contract. So he'd clear waivers and become a UFA - no team would have Bird rights but that wouldn't likely matter. I'm 99% sure that you can't waive and stretch a guy and then resign him. Even if you could you'd be on the hook for all that deal money for the next 5 years in addition to whatever money you're paying Beal in a new contract (and if he signs for a vet min that would look fishy - which is why I don't think it's legal).

There's also a limit as to how much dead money a team can carry and the Suns already have some on the books - combined with Beal's contract they can't waive and stretch him unless he agrees to give back a significant amount of money.

[enzino]

BOS drops payroll but eat a bad (and one year longer) salary
CHI get rid of Pat.Williams contract (Bogdanovic salary expires in 2026)
LACs get Holiday

[Godaddycurse]

BOS drops payroll but eat a bad (and one year longer) salary
CHI get rid of Pat.Williams contract (Bogdanovic salary expires in 2026)
LACs get Holiday

Bulls owe more. Clippers dont owe a first

[daoneandonly]

So Jason Kidd is overwhelmingly considered a bad coach amongst fans and on realgm. But the Knicks and Mavs want him, teams have gone to lengths to procure his services. Who's wrong? Us? Them? I'm in the camp that he's a bad coach, but wouldn't these pros know best? I'm perplexed.

[jayjaysee]

We’ve probably done this. Well I know I’ve probably done it but…

Would Charlotte trade the Dallas pick (top 2 protected) for the unprotected LAL pick?

I know that’s old vets and Flagg versus Luka/whoever. And it’s LAL so they’ll likely add another star somehow.

But it is an unprotected first two further years out versus the Dallas pick having the best case scenario protected…

If Charlotte doesn’t do it because LA, what does Dallas owe? The distant seconds they still have? Gafford+some salary to make it legal? for Nurk?

This would buy Dallas the opportunity to see Nike’s plan fail for 45 games, fire him, trade AD and tank and then do a full tanking season next year…

Na?

[Scoot McGroot]

Stretch, like stretch waive? His contract would be terminated, so there’d be no contractual agreement with a no trade clause. His salary would be locked on the books for those 4-5 years and can’t be traded off the cap or anything. It’s just there.

If you mean stretch as in “extend”, then the no trade clause would still exist. It can only be added or removed if a player is signing a completely new contract. As in, they are an unrestricted free agent and sign a new contract in free agency rather than an extension of an existing contract. But also, it’s infinitely unlikely that Phx or anyone wants to extend Beal. So I assume you mean the stretch waiver.

I was just thinking, why don't they stretch and waive him re-claim him from waivers b4 any team gets him and since he wants to stay with Suns, he'll most likely sign with Suns on new contract, but this time around with out the "No Trade Clause" and then sign him, but then realize they will have two contracts of one player, but this way at least they can trade him and get something for him even if it means paying 2 contracts?, thought I found a loophole lols.

Well in a waive and stretch no one would claim Beal off waivers as they would be on the hook for his full current contract. So he'd clear waivers and become a UFA - no team would have Bird rights but that wouldn't likely matter. I'm 99% sure that you can't waive and stretch a guy and then resign him. Even if you could you'd be on the hook for all that deal money for the next 5 years in addition to whatever money you're paying Beal in a new contract (and if he signs for a vet min that would look fishy - which is why I don't think it's legal).

There's also a limit as to how much dead money a team can carry and the Suns already have some on the books - combined with Beal's contract they can't waive and stretch him unless he agrees to give back a significant amount of money.

If you waive a player, you can’t claim them off waivers, and you’d have to have the cap space or an exception large enough to claim the entire original contract, which Phoenix does not have. Plus, if claimed, the entire original contract, no trade clause and all, would go on the books. So, Brooklyn would technically be the only team that COULD claim Beal, but they won’t, because of that no trade clause amongst other reasons.

PLUS, if you stretch waivers a player contract, you cannot reacquire that player for the years they would have originally been under contract. So, if Phoenix stretch waived Beal, they can’t re sign him or trade for him for 2025/26 or 2026/27 since those were the contractual years that were stretch waived.

[Scoot McGroot]

So Jason Kidd is overwhelmingly considered a bad coach amongst fans and on realgm. But the Knicks and Mavs want him, teams have gone to lengths to procure his services. Who's wrong? Us? Them? I'm in the camp that he's a bad coach, but wouldn't these pros know best? I'm perplexed.

Just like Doc Rivers, he has a reputation of being a better coach than he is, and players personally like him.

[Mavrelous]

So Jason Kidd is overwhelmingly considered a bad coach amongst fans and on realgm. But the Knicks and Mavs want him, teams have gone to lengths to procure his services. Who's wrong? Us? Them? I'm in the camp that he's a bad coach, but wouldn't these pros know best? I'm perplexed.

He's not a bad coach, I called for his firing until January 2024, but he's had 2 great PO runs, and he's shown he is elite defensive adjustment coach, the things he did to funnel the exact shots he wanted the opponent to shoot was impressive (Booker isos against the Suns, Harden floaters and role players 3s, let SGA beat him and funnel all shots to suspect role players (Wallace, Dort, Giddey), loading up on Ant), you won't find much better defensive coaches for the PO, offensively, he simply let Luka, Brunson and Krie cook, and used same plays from RC era.
He can throw lots of RS games away, Mavs overachieved in the PO under him, but underachieved in RS, to the level of missing the PO in 23.
He's a terrible spokesperson also, I couldn't stand his press conferences.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Not sure what to say about this

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[Mavrelous]

Read that in Thibs voice out of respect, class act coach

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[SkyHook]

So Jason Kidd is overwhelmingly considered a bad coach amongst fans and on realgm. But the Knicks and Mavs want him, teams have gone to lengths to procure his services. Who's wrong? Us? Them? I'm in the camp that he's a bad coach, but wouldn't these pros know best? I'm perplexed.

He's not a bad coach, I called for his firing until January 2024, but he's had 2 great PO runs, and he's shown he is elite defensive adjustment coach, the things he did to funnel the exact shots he wanted the opponent to shoot was impressive (Booker isos against the Suns, Harden floaters and role players 3s, let SGA beat him and funnel all shots to suspect role players (Wallace, Dort, Giddey), loading up on Ant), you won't find much better defensive coaches for the PO, offensively, he simply let Luka, Brunson and Krie cook, and used same plays from RC era.
He can throw lots of RS games away, Mavs overachieved in the PO under him, but underachieved in RS, to the level of missing the PO in 23.
He's a terrible spokesperson also, I couldn't stand his press conferences.

He's a FAR better coach than this one.

https://www.nj.com/knicks/2025/06/ex-knicks-star-player-is-being-mentioned-as-coaching-fit.html

[Texas Chuck]

Not sure how much of the defensive credit belongs to Kidd and how much belongs to Sweeney. But it doesn't really matter since Sweeney is still here.

But once a coach looks elsewhere unless he's a big difference maker, I'd let him go. I want my players to completely buy in, but you can't completely buy in to what your coach is asking of you if you know he's looking around for greener pastures.

Dallas got this rare chance for Vegas to justify moving on from Niko. And now Kidd. And they wouldn't even have to admit culpability on the Luka fiasco. Just say Niko was brought here to build a contender for now, but with Kyrie hurt and Flagg here, we need to go in a different direction.

Dumb to waste this year and then replace both of them next summer, but thats what they are going to do.

[Godaddycurse]

Not sure how much of the defensive credit belongs to Kidd and how much belongs to Sweeney. But it doesn't really matter since Sweeney is still here.

But once a coach looks elsewhere unless he's a big difference maker, I'd let him go. I want my players to completely buy in, but you can't completely buy in to what your coach is asking of you if you know he's looking around for greener pastures.

Dallas got this rare chance for Vegas to justify moving on from Niko. And now Kidd. And they wouldn't even have to admit culpability on the Luka fiasco. Just say Niko was brought here to build a contender for now, but with Kyrie hurt and Flagg here, we need to go in a different direction.

Dumb to waste this year and then replace both of them next summer, but thats what they are going to do.

agreed, it would be terrible situation for Flagg to be in. Need a coach thats bought in 100% to develop flagg

[shrink]

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There was a small, but vocal, faction on the MIN board that wanted Chris Finch fired, and expected the front office to do it. They complained that he didn’t develop youth properly, that he made bad in-game decisions, that he let Ant free-style too much, and basically, we needed a new coach to get us to the next level. The majority said it was unlikely, Finch is a good coach, that franchise had record regular season and playoff success including upsets, and that MIN wouldn’t dump a coach with his level of success. Then we saw DEN fire Mike Malone, and NYK fire Thibs, which gave them hope.

This news is a clear indicator that the team plans to keep Finch.

Polls of general fans were nearly unanimous that he was a good coach. These MIN posters made me realize that nearly every team probably has a group that loves their team’s players and prospects so much, that anything that doesn’t match those expectations must be the coach’s fault, and he will get scapegoated. If MIN fans, a historically bad franchise, has fans that are unsatisfied with two WCF’s in a row, then every fanbase must have some fans that hate their coach.

[wegotthabeet]

Not sure how much of the defensive credit belongs to Kidd and how much belongs to Sweeney. But it doesn't really matter since Sweeney is still here.

But once a coach looks elsewhere unless he's a big difference maker, I'd let him go. I want my players to completely buy in, but you can't completely buy in to what your coach is asking of you if you know he's looking around for greener pastures.

Dallas got this rare chance for Vegas to justify moving on from Niko. And now Kidd. And they wouldn't even have to admit culpability on the Luka fiasco. Just say Niko was brought here to build a contender for now, but with Kyrie hurt and Flagg here, we need to go in a different direction.

Dumb to waste this year and then replace both of them next summer, but thats what they are going to do.

If I’m Dallas I’d probably want to do everything I can to land a high lottery pick in 2026 to pair with Flagg. How often do teams get two top 4 picks in consecutive drafts that are this good? Kyrie is already out. AD, Washington, Gafford, all have value. Seems like a great opportunity to become one of the most envied franchises over the next decade.

[Astaluego]

Can the Mavs get another lottery pick in this draft, even if they have to eat a huge salary? I think the Bulls fit this idea. They also don't seem to value picks too much and are more inclined to build with trades (although I could be wrong).

Lonzo P.Williams+12 MAVS
Washington+ 22 BULLS
2 SRP(Bulls)+SRP(MAVS)+Gafford HAWKS

[MoneyTalks41890]

Well got rebuffed on Kidd too

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[Mavrelous]

Do the Knicks know that there are free agents coaches out there?