Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team?

[jkvonny]

This thread topic has been pretty common here over the years. We see quite a few of them pop up from time to time. Like a broken record.
Nothings changed. The term "superteam" is used loosely around here.

[DimesandKnicks]

Season before the Bulls Ron Harper averaged 20 points per game on 18 field goal attempts per game on 42/30/71 shooting splits with a 49%TS and averaged over 3 turnovers per game. So that dude makes a team a superteam?

Same response to the other poster:

Sir; he was the Bulls seventh leading scorer and their third best perimeter defender.

Idk what you guys get from undermining that Bulls organization, outside of it makes Lebron vs Jordan arguments more fragile.

Ron Harper was still a very good defender at that point in his career but that is all he brought to the table. With him, Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman they could switch and cover ground. Defensive nightmare. But he was a poor 3 point shooter, wasnt a good passer and he was their 4th or 5th option offensively. Trying to say the Bulls were a superteam because of Ron Harper is embarrassing. Im not undermining the Bulls im speaking facts. The entire premises of this thread is “Well James had superteams but so did Jordan” from guys like you.

Brother, what’s the point of acting like this wasn’t one of the greatest teams of all time?

They aren’t a super team because Harper was their 4th to 5th best option. They’re a super team because they had the MVP, their second best player got the fifth most MVp votes, they had three all nba first team defenders, the sixth man of the year, and one of the greatest coaches of all time and none of these people are named Ron Harper.

They literally were title contenders two years prior

[DimesandKnicks]

:lol:

Who was the 3rd all star? Technically an all star lol? Either you are or your not lol

BJ Armstrong

What????? So BJ Armstrong made the Bulls a superteam? Are you old enough to have watched those Bulls teams?

Is that what I said? Or are you just trying to argue?

[Bergmaniac]

The mental gymnastics to explain to explain how a team that won 55 games and almost made ECF when they replaced Jordan with Pete Myers is not actually a superteam are just so funny to me. Myers was selected in the 6th round of the draft, had done nothing in his NBA career until 1993, had spent the previous two seasons playing in Italy and ended up averaging 8 PPG on poor efficiency when he played for the Bulls in 1993/94. If any other modern star's team had been as good when he left and he was replaced by such a scrub everyone would say they were a superteam before he left.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Lebron, Wade, Bosh - Yes. 3 All NBA first team players, and even two MVPs level players (wade is 57th in MVP win shares which is quite high and he got close to winning many times. Also he was a finals MVP.)

Bosh wasn't an All-NBA 1st Team Player.

[-Luke-]

That team was super, but not a superteam. I don't think anybody used the term superteam before the summer of 2010.

I see two possible definitions:
A) A team that is super
B) A team were superstars join superstars to form a superteam

The Bulls were A, but not B. I prefer definition B, because we didn't talk about superteams back then.

Other examples of super teams, but not superteams: 80's Celtics, pre-KD Warriors, 60's Celtics, some of the Duncan/Spurs teams.

There are some old teams for which we could use the term superteam as in definition B, although we didn't use that term back then. The first that comes to mind is late 60's/early 70's Lakers. Wilt (MVP the year before) joins West and Baylor, who were superstars and contenders even without Wilt.

[jkvonny]

I don’t think I consider the first 3 peat Bulls a super team, but the second definitely. That’s not to say Jordan didn’t have a talent advantage in the first 3 peat. What if Ewing had Drexler or Dominique instead of Starks in 92 and 93? Jordan probably has two less titles.

Better question.
What if Ewing was on those Pacers teams with Miller, Smits, Workman, the Davis brothers, Mullin, Jalen Rose, etc.

[SHAQ32]

I would lean towards yes. No other team in the league's 3rd, 4th, and 5th best players were as good as Kukoc, Rodman, and Harper.

[MavsDirk41]

Same response to the other poster:

Sir; he was the Bulls seventh leading scorer and their third best perimeter defender.

Idk what you guys get from undermining that Bulls organization, outside of it makes Lebron vs Jordan arguments more fragile.

Ron Harper was still a very good defender at that point in his career but that is all he brought to the table. With him, Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman they could switch and cover ground. Defensive nightmare. But he was a poor 3 point shooter, wasnt a good passer and he was their 4th or 5th option offensively. Trying to say the Bulls were a superteam because of Ron Harper is embarrassing. Im not undermining the Bulls im speaking facts. The entire premises of this thread is “Well James had superteams but so did Jordan” from guys like you.

Brother, what’s the point of acting like this wasn’t one of the greatest teams of all time?

They aren’t a super team because Harper was their 4th to 5th best option. They’re a super team because they had the MVP, their second best player got the fifth most MVp votes, they had three all nba first teamers, the sixth man of the year, and one of the greatest coaches of all time and none of these people are named Ron Harper.

They literally were title contenders two years prior

You literally brought up Ron Harper not me lol!

Bulls 1st 3 peat was not a superteam even if they did have BJ Armstrong lol.

Bulls 2nd 3 peat was more of superteam then the 1st 3 peat. But;

Bulls acquired Rodman for Will Perdue. Why? Because San Antonio just wanted to get rid of him. And, he only played 49 games for the Spurs his last year in San Antonio.

Rodman was great playing with Jordan and Pippen. He also missed 18 games during the 95/96 season and they still won 72 games. He missed 27 games during the 96/97 season and they still won 60 games.

Pippen only played 44 games during the 97/98 season and reinjured his back during the finals. Jordan played 82 all 3 years including every playoff game.

The Bulls drafted Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, and Armstrong….and yes Jackson is a HOF coach and deserves just as much credit as any player but the Bulls were his first coaching gig.

If the Bulls were a superstar at least it was done without superstar collusion.

[MavsDirk41]

The mental gymnastics to explain to explain how a team that won 55 games and almost made ECF when they replaced Jordan with Pete Myers is not actually a superteam are just so funny to me. Myers was selected in the 6th round of the draft, had done nothing in his NBA career until 1993, had spent the previous two seasons playing in Italy and ended up averaging 8 PPG on poor efficiency when he played for the Bulls in 1993/94. If any other modern star's team had been as good when he left and he was replaced by such a scrub everyone would say they were a superteam before he left.

So that same superteam was 34-31 before Jordan came back in March of 95.

[Bergmaniac]

The mental gymnastics to explain to explain how a team that won 55 games and almost made ECF when they replaced Jordan with Pete Myers is not actually a superteam are just so funny to me. Myers was selected in the 6th round of the draft, had done nothing in his NBA career until 1993, had spent the previous two seasons playing in Italy and ended up averaging 8 PPG on poor efficiency when he played for the Bulls in 1993/94. If any other modern star's team had been as good when he left and he was replaced by such a scrub everyone would say they were a superteam before he left.

So that same superteam was 34-31 before Jordan came back in March of 95.

It wasn't the same team, they lost Horace Grant for nothing.

[DimesandKnicks]

Ron Harper was still a very good defender at that point in his career but that is all he brought to the table. With him, Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman they could switch and cover ground. Defensive nightmare. But he was a poor 3 point shooter, wasnt a good passer and he was their 4th or 5th option offensively. Trying to say the Bulls were a superteam because of Ron Harper is embarrassing. Im not undermining the Bulls im speaking facts. The entire premises of this thread is “Well James had superteams but so did Jordan” from guys like you.

Brother, what’s the point of acting like this wasn’t one of the greatest teams of all time?

They aren’t a super team because Harper was their 4th to 5th best option. They’re a super team because they had the MVP, their second best player got the fifth most MVp votes, they had three all nba first teamers, the sixth man of the year, and one of the greatest coaches of all time and none of these people are named Ron Harper.

They literally were title contenders two years prior

You literally brought up Ron Harper not me lol!

Bulls 1st 3 peat was not a superteam even if they did have BJ Armstrong lol.

Bulls 2nd 3 peat was more of superteam then the 1st 3 peat. But;

Bulls acquired Rodman for Will Perdue. Why? Because San Antonio just wanted to get rid of him. And, he only played 49 games for the Spurs his last year in San Antonio.

Rodman was great playing with Jordan and Pippen. He also missed 18 games during the 95/96 season and they still won 72 games. He missed 27 games during the 96/97 season and they still won 60 games.

Pippen only played 44 games during the 97/98 season and reinjured his back during the finals. Jordan played 82 all 3 years including every playoff game.

The Bulls drafted Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, and Armstrong….and yes Jackson is a HOF coach and deserves just as much credit as any player but the Bulls were his first coaching gig.

If the Bulls were a superstar at least it was done without superstar collusion.

Jordan didn’t play an entire season and they were a win away from beating the eventual conference champions…

[The4thHorseman]

I'm gonna say no. Rodman was in his mid-30s and past his prime when he joined Chicago. And dude was a shell of his former self in 1998.

He still won the rebounding title that year, his 7th consecutive. Either he wasn't a shell of his former self or it just shows how bad the league really was at the time.

andre drummond was the league leading rebounder multiple years.
was he a all star level player?
or it just shows how bad the league really was at the time.

Drummond's 4 rebounding titles was when he was 23yrs old 24, 25 and 26

Rodman's last 4 was when he was 33, 34, 35 and 36.

If Rodman was a shell, then that means the talent level was severely lacking in which many will agree that it was.

Back to the drawing board for ya

[Hair Jordan]

No. The Bulls first 3-pear team was built thru the draft. Jordan, Pippen, Ho Grant, BJ, Perdue, Stacy King, Scott Williams etc were all drafted. Fringe guys like Livingston, Hopson, Paxon were free agent pick ups and the only guy they traded for was Cartwright who was 31 and oft injured. Their second 3-peat team was basically the same with the exception of Rodman who they traded for. Rodman was 35/36/37 years old during the Bulls 3-peat and past his prime. In fact, Jordan, Pippen and Rodman were all past their primes but they knew how to win and they ruled the league on their smarts, basketball IQ, intimidation, guile and championship experience. They were an all time great team but not a super team. Rodman never made an All Star team as a Bull and Pippen didn’t make the All Star team in ‘98. It was just Jordan. How many superteams can claim to have a lone All Star?

[The4thHorseman]

1996 Bulls should be here if you are including the Heatles, especially 2013.

No the Heat had crazy spacers. Look at both finals series wins.
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Its interesting wade averaged 19.6ppg in the 13 finals and people were calling him washed and therefore they werent a superteam, yet we saw pippen averaging 15.7ppg in the 96 and 98 finals.

You forgot to show how many 3pa those players avg. per game. Im guessing there's a reason why you didn't.

[Hair Jordan]

No.

I believe super teams must have 3+ All Stars or All NBA players. Jordan only had Pippen (and Rodman for a bit).

Having Rodman for 3 chips is a bit?

Rodman was 35/36/37 years old during the second 3-peat and was past his prime defensively. He was still a rebounding machine but contributed next to nothing offensively. He never made an All Star team let alone an All NBA team as a Bull.

[ropjhk]

Brother, what’s the point of acting like this wasn’t one of the greatest teams of all time?

They aren’t a super team because Harper was their 4th to 5th best option. They’re a super team because they had the MVP, their second best player got the fifth most MVp votes, they had three all nba first teamers, the sixth man of the year, and one of the greatest coaches of all time and none of these people are named Ron Harper.

They literally were title contenders two years prior

You literally brought up Ron Harper not me lol!

Bulls 1st 3 peat was not a superteam even if they did have BJ Armstrong lol.

Bulls 2nd 3 peat was more of superteam then the 1st 3 peat. But;

Bulls acquired Rodman for Will Perdue. Why? Because San Antonio just wanted to get rid of him. And, he only played 49 games for the Spurs his last year in San Antonio.

Rodman was great playing with Jordan and Pippen. He also missed 18 games during the 95/96 season and they still won 72 games. He missed 27 games during the 96/97 season and they still won 60 games.

Pippen only played 44 games during the 97/98 season and reinjured his back during the finals. Jordan played 82 all 3 years including every playoff game.

The Bulls drafted Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, and Armstrong….and yes Jackson is a HOF coach and deserves just as much credit as any player but the Bulls were his first coaching gig.

If the Bulls were a superstar at least it was done without superstar collusion.

Jordan didn’t play an entire season and they were a win away from beating the eventual conference champions…

And what's your point there? MavsDirk wasn't denying that the second threepeat team was a superteam. He said that if they were a superteam that at least it wasn't done through player collusion.

[Hair Jordan]

Freaking HOF Kukoc came off the bench. That team was something else.

Kukoc is a HOF because it’s the basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF. He wouldn’t come within a country mile of the HOF if it was just for the NBA.

[The4thHorseman]

No. The Bulls first 3-pear team was built thru the draft. Jordan, Pippen, Ho Grant, BJ, Perdue, Stacy King, Scott Williams etc were all drafted. Fringe guys like Livingston, Hopson, Paxon were free agent pick ups and the only guy they traded for was Cartwright who was 31 and oft injured. Their second 3-peat team was basically the same with the exception of Rodman who they traded for. Rodman was 35/36/37 years old during the Bulls 3-peat and past his prime. In fact, Jordan, Pippen and Rodman were all past their primes but they knew how to win and they ruled the league on their smarts, basketball IQ, intimidation, guile and championship experience. They were an all time great team but not a super team. Rodman never made an All Star team as a Bull and Pippen didn’t make the All Star team in ‘98. It was just Jordan. How many superteams can claim to have a lone All Star?

Pippen was All-NBA on both ends of the court in 98
Rodman won the rebounding title.

People call the 2016 title winning Cavs a superteam yet LeBron was the only All-Star that year. None of his teammates made All NBA or All Defense.

[Kiss of Death]

A super team is when star players on different teams collude to join up on one team:

LeBron-Wade-Bosh Heat, Durant Warriors, Durant-Kyrie-Harden Nets, Kawhi-PG-Harden Clippers.

The Bulls were not a super team.