It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers

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Re: It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers 

Post#101 » by Sane » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:10 pm

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It’s much more difficult to build a team that has a top 3 player than it is to fill out role players. I don’t think you’re coming to the table in good faith if you’re suggesting it’s easier to start over from scratch.


That's the most insane thing I've ever heard. Every season the NBA is littered with several teams who are stuck around an expensive roster. Maybe 1 out of each 10 teams that tank and rebuild will become a cautionary tale. Treadmill teams are way more common.

There are people here who have been a part of franchises that are not major cities and are almost always between good and great. The days of teams outside the big markets not knowing how to rebuild is over. It's completely over, there's a working model and anyone can guarantee you your low bar of 3 straight first round exits with an overpriced roster if that's what you're clinging on to. Most do better than that.

You just accumulate picks slowly until you have roughly 12 picks. It's that simple. You wait as long as it takes. Might take 3 years, might take 5 years. There's no deadline. With Giannis, you have a deadline. Given your username I bet you think it's longer, but historically elite players who rely on athleticism and have gone to the FT line a lot will always be done younger than skilled players. Giannis has 2-3 years left of being your 1A before you'll have to get him a 1A. It's ridiculous to say it's easier to turn a 1st round exit capped out roster into a champion within a few years, than it is to rebuild with no deadline.

Before you say you can ride it out with Giannis then rebuild, first of all you're not understanding that you're wasting a star's career. He has to retire from his job in his 30's. Might not matter to you that he ho-hummed his way through those last years so the Nigerian man can dance and entertain you, but it matters to everyone else on the planet including Giannis. This is serious stuff. His job is not like your job. His passion has an expiry date.

Talk about good faith. You literally are terrified of being relevant without Giannis. What are you going to do when he retires? That's it, it's over for the Bucks franchise? Even with the elite draft picks you'd get from Giannis you don't believe you can build something worth a damn? That's where you're coming from a place of irrational fear so please, don't talk to me about good faith. You've forgotten that Giannis was not a superstar before he became a superstar.


A very poorly thought out and worded paragraph on your part. I get what you intended, but that was very offside. And in the end, if GA decides to stay it was HIS choice. You're pretending like you want him to choose but you clearly don't.


I pay the rent by writing things so don't worry about my writing. I said exactly what I meant.

So should I say you're pretending and you say I'm pretending? That's a conversation? No, it's just avoidance. Believing someone else is pretending just because you don't agree with them or understand them is something children do. Grow up.
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Re: It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers 

Post#102 » by RRyder823 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:15 pm

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That's the most insane thing I've ever heard. Every season the NBA is littered with several teams who are stuck around an expensive roster. Maybe 1 out of each 10 teams that tank and rebuild will become a cautionary tale. Treadmill teams are way more common.

There are people here who have been a part of franchises that are not major cities and are almost always between good and great. The days of teams outside the big markets not knowing how to rebuild is over. It's completely over, there's a working model and anyone can guarantee you your low bar of 3 straight first round exits with an overpriced roster if that's what you're clinging on to. Most do better than that.

You just accumulate picks slowly until you have roughly 12 picks. It's that simple. You wait as long as it takes. Might take 3 years, might take 5 years. There's no deadline. With Giannis, you have a deadline. Given your username I bet you think it's longer, but historically elite players who rely on athleticism and have gone to the FT line a lot will always be done younger than skilled players. Giannis has 2-3 years left of being your 1A before you'll have to get him a 1A. It's ridiculous to say it's easier to turn a 1st round exit capped out roster into a champion within a few years, than it is to rebuild with no deadline.

Before you say you can ride it out with Giannis then rebuild, first of all you're not understanding that you're wasting a star's career. He has to retire from his job in his 30's. Might not matter to you that he ho-hummed his way through those last years so the Nigerian man can dance and entertain you, but it matters to everyone else on the planet including Giannis. This is serious stuff. His job is not like your job. His passion has an expiry date.

Talk about good faith. You literally are terrified of being relevant without Giannis. What are you going to do when he retires? That's it, it's over for the Bucks franchise? Even with the elite draft picks you'd get from Giannis you don't believe you can build something worth a damn? That's where you're coming from a place of irrational fear so please, don't talk to me about good faith. You've forgotten that Giannis was not a superstar before he became a superstar.


A very poorly thought out and worded paragraph on your part. I get what you intended, but that was very offside. And in the end, if GA decides to stay it was HIS choice. You're pretending like you want him to choose but you clearly don't.


I pay the rent by writing things so don't worry about my writing. I said exactly what I meant.

So should I say you're pretending and you say I'm pretending? That's a conversation? No, it's just avoidance. Believing someone else is pretending just because you don't agree with them or understand them is something children do. Grow up.


You mean like saying Giannis actually wants to ring chase because you think he should?



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Re: It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers 

Post#103 » by Sixers in 4 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:19 pm

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Sixers in 4 wrote:Look I agree they shouldn't move him if he wants to stay but he clearly doesn't want to stay


Except that he does want to stay and has never stated otherwise.


Multiple sources like Shams have leaked that he wants to leave.

It's clearly a situation where he is going to leave in the near future whether it's this year or next because at the end of the day it's clear through what has been leaked even the stuff around him staying that he wants to win and MIL is in a terrible position to do that.
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Re: It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers 

Post#104 » by RRyder823 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:22 pm

Sixers in 4 wrote:
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Sixers in 4 wrote:Look I agree they shouldn't move him if he wants to stay but he clearly doesn't want to stay


Except that he does want to stay and has never stated otherwise.


Multiple sources like Shams have leaked that he wants to leave.


It's clearly a situation where he is going to leave in the near future whether it's this year or next because at the end of the day it's clear through what has been leaked even the stuff around him staying that he wants to win and MIL is in a terrible position to do that.


I mean that's not what happened but ok



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Post#105 » by Helsbyte » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:26 pm

First off with the player movement happening in the NBA, IDGAF if the Bucks chose to trade him nor would I care if I was the GM where I sent him. I would be looking for a young talent that has the upside to be a top option. Think SGA type trade or a Haliburton type trade. Players have no loyalty why should a franchise? Milwaukee should do what is in the best interest for the team with a 3-5 year forecast. Loyalty........bwahahahahahaha.
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Post#106 » by Optms » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:29 pm

Snakebites wrote:I don’t get why anyone who isn’t a fan of a team that thought they could land him is unhappy about this.

Is the novelty of seeing players in new uniforms really that alluring? Because in terms of competitive balance and (relative) balance between conferences this is a good thing.


Bucks just got eliminated in the 1st round and aren't fielding a competitive team around him any longer.

So its not about conference balance anymore. We're just now seeing an All Time great wasting his best years there at this point.
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Re: It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers 

Post#107 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:31 pm

Optms wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I don’t get why anyone who isn’t a fan of a team that thought they could land him is unhappy about this.

Is the novelty of seeing players in new uniforms really that alluring? Because in terms of competitive balance and (relative) balance between conferences this is a good thing.


Bucks just got eliminated in the 1st round and aren't fielding a competitive team around him any longer.

So it’s not about conference balance anymore. We're just now seeing an All Time great wasting his best years there at this point.

No. Him going to Houston or San Antonio absolutely would make the conferences less balanced.
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Post#108 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:32 pm

NoStatsGuy wrote:it honestly should be in the bucks best interest to gget off Giannis' and Dame's contracts.

This era is over. Now, if giannis explicitly says he wants to be a buck for life its a different story. Or is this all about filling seats in the arena? because that is the only logical reason to stick with giannis.


There's another reason - the Bucks owe half a decade's worth of first round picks. Every year Giannis stays there is one less year off of that pick debt.
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Re: It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers 

Post#109 » by Sixers in 4 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:33 pm

Giannis: But after nine consecutive trips to the playoffs, the second longest active streak among teams, the Bucks have few pathways available to improve the team, leading to a scintillating question teams across the league are debating: If Giannis Antetokounmpo wins a second ring, will it be in Milwaukee -- or not?

Sitting at the lectern postgame, he knew the question was coming.

"I'm not going to do this," Antetokounmpo said. "I'm not going to do that. I know how it's going to translate. I don't know, man. I wish I was still playing. I wish I was still competing and going back and working out.

"I don't know."
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Shams: Sources: Giannis Antetokounmpo to explore best fits outside of Milwaukee
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45109801/sources-giannis-antetokounmpo-explore-best-fits-milwaukee
MIL fans: He's just exploring like Christopher Columbus

Shams: Same article three teams he would consider being traded to the Lakers, Heat, and Knicks.
Month later Giannis twitter: What are your favorite road cities? New York and Florida.
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Post#110 » by Optms » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:34 pm

Snakebites wrote:
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Snakebites wrote:I don’t get why anyone who isn’t a fan of a team that thought they could land him is unhappy about this.

Is the novelty of seeing players in new uniforms really that alluring? Because in terms of competitive balance and (relative) balance between conferences this is a good thing.


Bucks just got eliminated in the 1st round and aren't fielding a competitive team around him any longer.

So it’s not about conference balance anymore. We're just now seeing an All Time great wasting his best years there at this point.

No. Him going to Houston or San Antonio absolutely would make the conferences less balanced.


The East is cooked with or without him on the Bucks though.
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Re: It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers 

Post#111 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:41 pm

Optms wrote:
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Bucks just got eliminated in the 1st round and aren't fielding a competitive team around him any longer.

So it’s not about conference balance anymore. We're just now seeing an All Time great wasting his best years there at this point.

No. Him going to Houston or San Antonio absolutely would make the conferences less balanced.


The East is cooked with or without him on the Bucks though.

Having one mediocre team vs having one more horrific team is a big difference.

And the balance of the conferences isn't just based on the state of one of them.

I feel like beyond this point I'd be repeating myself. Feel free to get whatever last word you want to get in on this.
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Post#112 » by RRyder823 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:53 pm

Sixers in 4 wrote:Giannis: But after nine consecutive trips to the playoffs, the second longest active streak among teams, the Bucks have few pathways available to improve the team, leading to a scintillating question teams across the league are debating: If Giannis Antetokounmpo wins a second ring, will it be in Milwaukee -- or not?

Sitting at the lectern postgame, he knew the question was coming.

"I'm not going to do this," Antetokounmpo said. "I'm not going to do that. I know how it's going to translate. I don't know, man. I wish I was still playing. I wish I was still competing and going back and working out.

"I don't know."
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Shams: Sources: Giannis Antetokounmpo to explore best fits outside of Milwaukee
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45109801/sources-giannis-antetokounmpo-explore-best-fits-milwaukee
MIL fans: He's just exploring like Christopher Columbus

Shams: Same article three teams he would consider being traded to the Lakers, Heat, and Knicks.
Month later Giannis twitter: What are your favorite road cities? New York and Florida.
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So your evidence is Giannis from a post season presser where he said nothing and a Shams report where he speculated based on a month old report from "sources" about him being open minded about his future?

Seriously?

No **** wonder click bait is so prevalent. People eat it up and run with it

Sorry only if it fits the narrative. Not like you'd discount him with actual quotes saying they'd have to kick him out the doors or him saying he wants to stay a Buck right?

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Post#113 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:06 pm

Optms wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
Optms wrote:
Bucks just got eliminated in the 1st round and aren't fielding a competitive team around him any longer.

So it’s not about conference balance anymore. We're just now seeing an All Time great wasting his best years there at this point.

No. Him going to Houston or San Antonio absolutely would make the conferences less balanced.


The East is cooked with or without him on the Bucks though.


I had Denver and OKC as the only legitimate contenders in the West before the playoffs started and nothing I saw in the playoffs changed my mind. If you take the top 6 teams from each Conference, the East is the better Conference.
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Post#114 » by GiannisAnte34 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:35 pm

Sixers in 4 wrote:Giannis: But after nine consecutive trips to the playoffs, the second longest active streak among teams, the Bucks have few pathways available to improve the team, leading to a scintillating question teams across the league are debating: If Giannis Antetokounmpo wins a second ring, will it be in Milwaukee -- or not?

Sitting at the lectern postgame, he knew the question was coming.

"I'm not going to do this," Antetokounmpo said. "I'm not going to do that. I know how it's going to translate. I don't know, man. I wish I was still playing. I wish I was still competing and going back and working out.

"I don't know."
MIL fans: He's all in

Shams: Sources: Giannis Antetokounmpo to explore best fits outside of Milwaukee
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45109801/sources-giannis-antetokounmpo-explore-best-fits-milwaukee
MIL fans: He's just exploring like Christopher Columbus

Shams: Same article three teams he would consider being traded to the Lakers, Heat, and Knicks.
Month later Giannis twitter: What are your favorite road cities? New York and Florida.
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I think you are a hater because the 76ers are a dumpster fire. Talk about the Bucks lack of assets while the 76ers payoff two of the 5 worst contracts in the league until 2027-2028 season ends (almost 120 million for two guys that won’t be anywhere close to All-Star)
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Post#115 » by ChumboChappati » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:52 pm

TheAlchemist wrote:It's literally negligent of the Bucks to not field offers.

There's no way around it, and I think this should be a separate post from the Giannis trade request. The Bucks are in deep, deep trouble.


2025 – 2nd Round (own): from Detroit via Pistons/Clippers/Portland/Washington chain
2026 – 1st round pick that New Orleans Pelican can swap, 2nd Round (own): top‑55 protected via Utah, but still directly theirs
2028 – 2nd Round (own): retained, no outgoing conditions noted
2031 – 2nd Round (own): part of long-term retained assets
2030 – 1st Round (own with swap rights): Portland holds swap rights but Bucks keep the pick
2031 – 1st Round (own): Bucks retain this unless traded

For their cap space:


2025–26:
Total salary: ~$164.8M
Still over the cap
No cap space (above 1st apron, possibly under 2nd apron

2026–27:
Total salary: ~$144.4M
Salary cap (projected): ~$152–155M
Slightly below cap possible, but likely still over due to hold/cap mechanics
Best-case space with cuts: ~$5–10M (still not "true" cap space for big moves)

2027–28 (Major Opportunity Year)
Total salary (projected): ~$65.3M
Giannis player option: $62.8M
Cap projection for 2027–28: ~$160–170M
Estimated cap space: ~$95–105M
Even with Giannis on the roster at ~$63M, they could:
Sign another max free agent
Fill out roster with high-level role players


So in the grand scheme of things, the only time that the Bucks will be able to field a decent competitive roster is in 2027-28 off season. They don't have their own first round pick until 2031, and 2027 /29 are swap right protected. If they bank on fielding a good team, there is a chance that Giannis might not opt in to his player option. In that case he'll walk away completely free to choose where he wants to play. Although I think Bucks are able to offer him the most salary

The Bucks best case scenario is if New Orleans gets in the lottery next year and so are the Bucks. New Orleans getting like a top 3, and the Bucks are drafting after that. Better yet they find a way to get out of Lillards contract. Then in 2027 they somehow sign free agents and a star max guy. They'll have to do some efficient cap spending though. Oh, and Giannis re-signs.

That's a tremendous amount of If's.

If I was a GM or a manager, I'd be working with GIannis to see the best option for the team, Giannis, and how to turn around the franchise. Cause let's be honest, this is a horrible horrible situation right now. You can roll the dice to try to get cap space in two years, but Giannis might simply have enough and want to compete again at his age. On the other hand, would your team be marketable to sign a free agent? Could you have the ability to without overpaying guys?

What the Bucks are doing now, "Business as usual" is a really, really bad choice of managing the team. And the onus is on the GM and management that got the team there.

Just give up on your team's dream of landing Giannis. :wavefinger:
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Post#116 » by Bucks4005 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:39 pm

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It's not misguided at all. I don't think it's as cut and dry as just having a top 3 player and calling it a day. Sure, having Giannis is a huge asset, and I agree it’s rare to have a player of his caliber, especially in a small market city like Milwaukee but it doesn't make it a "pretty damn good situation". It’s also about what you have and how you surround him with the right pieces to truly compete for championships. The Bucks might have a narrow window, but there’s a real risk of becoming stagnant or losing Giannis when he realizes it’s not going anywhere and it's just a matter of time if that continues before his loyalty is tested. Without Giannis they might give the Wizards and Jazz a run for their money at the lottery and that's not a good situation at all. Yes, the fanbase loves him, but loyalty only goes so far when you're stuck on the treadmill of mediocrity. They can't just sit back and hope it works out.


The Bucks have made every move Giannis has asked for. So they've shown loyalty. Giannis staying is simply returning the favor.


I think this is the entire problem and that is why they should trade him. Because they felt they had to make those moves when they were never in the best interest to him or the team.

He has been loyal, that's for sure. I just would consider everything done to this point was recipricol enough.


Never in the Bucks best interest? We got a championship after 50 years. Something that many potential HOf players now don’t have. Harden may never win a championship. Embid. Etc. I mean, us making the move for Jrue which start this whole asset depletion is the main. I’ve that got a championship. Like, I get it’s been a few years since we’ve won it. But wow, how is that not worth it?

I mean, if Giannis wants to stay, as a Bucks fan I’m all for it. I would love for a player like him have that Tim Duncan legacy, his career all with one team, his statue in front of the arena, his number retired, and his name forever linked with one franchise. I mean, think about it this way. Is Kevin Durant going to have his jersey retired anywhere after the way he left OKC? Harden? Chris Paul? These all time great, but now more like mercenary type players at the end of their careers, after spending their careers chasing the money, demanding trades, etc. at the end, she. They want to be honored by the franchise, their legacy cemented for a team all time, do you think demanding trades and burning bridges is how you get there?
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Post#117 » by morosis » Wed Jun 11, 2025 6:02 pm

hasn't Giannis said its a priority for him to win another ring before he retires? if so, i dont think the idea of riding it out for the foreseeable future, with a ceiling of 1st round playoff exits, is really on the table.

as much as I want him to be a MIL lifer for the sake of the fans there, and his own legacy in the city, the idea that getting a second ring is his priority is an uncomfortable truth that the MIL FO needs to take seriously imo.

so the logic becomes something like "can we put a 30+ y/o Giannis in a position to get a second ring before his athleticism-based game erodes?" if the answer is "yes", you keep him and communicate the plan, and put in a good faith effort to get him there. even for the best teams each year, a chip isn't guaranteed, and he'll understand that. but if the answer is "no" then the best thing to do is to trade him asap to a place he wants to go, that would also allow you to start a rebuild.

i think most fans here believe the answer is "no" which is why so many folks are already suggesting trade packages and such. and just as a fan, i would tend to agree that given the current state of the MIL roster outside Giannis, it is hard to see a path.

i appreciate Giannis as a person and a player, so I would hate to be a MIL fan going through this. you have a humble, hard working, generational player who doesn't want to chase bright lights, and he has brought so much joy back to nba fandom there. but he wants to win another ring, and it would have to be in the next ~3-5 years. they cant draft him a co-star with no picks, and sadly Dame doesn't seem like he can stay healthy enough to be that guy anymore. so how do you put a chip quality roster around him?
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Re: It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers 

Post#118 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Jun 11, 2025 6:05 pm

Bucks4005 wrote:
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The Bucks have made every move Giannis has asked for. So they've shown loyalty. Giannis staying is simply returning the favor.


I think this is the entire problem and that is why they should trade him. Because they felt they had to make those moves when they were never in the best interest to him or the team.

He has been loyal, that's for sure. I just would consider everything done to this point was recipricol enough.


Never in the Bucks best interest? We got a championship after 50 years. Something that many potential HOf players now don’t have. Harden may never win a championship. Embid. Etc. I mean, us making the move for Jrue which start this whole asset depletion is the main. I’ve that got a championship. Like, I get it’s been a few years since we’ve won it. But wow, how is that not worth it?

I mean, if Giannis wants to stay, as a Bucks fan I’m all for it. I would love for a player like him have that Tim Duncan legacy, his career all with one team, his statue in front of the arena, his number retired, and his name forever linked with one franchise. I mean, think about it this way. Is Kevin Durant going to have his jersey retired anywhere after the way he left OKC? Harden? Chris Paul? These all time great, but now more like mercenary type players at the end of their careers, after spending their careers chasing the money, demanding trades, etc. at the end, she. They want to be honored by the franchise, their legacy cemented for a team all time, do you think demanding trades and burning bridges is how you get there?


LOL! The changes Giannis demanded came well after that! Coach, Lilliard and I'm syre there's more we aren't aware of. And that is the problem.

And lol, of course they will. Not that it matters at all.
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Post#119 » by GiannisAnte34 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 6:30 pm

morosis wrote:hasn't Giannis said its a priority for him to win another ring before he retires? if so, i dont think the idea of riding it out for the foreseeable future, with a ceiling of 1st round playoff exits, is really on the table.

as much as I want him to be a MIL lifer for the sake of the fans there, and his own legacy in the city, the idea that getting a second ring is his priority is an uncomfortable truth that the MIL FO needs to take seriously imo.

so the logic becomes something like "can we put a 30+ y/o Giannis in a position to get a second ring before his athleticism-based game erodes?" if the answer is "yes", you keep him and communicate the plan, and put in a good faith effort to get him there. even for the best teams each year, a chip isn't guaranteed, and he'll understand that. but if the answer is "no" then the best thing to do is to trade him asap to a place he wants to go, that would also allow you to start a rebuild.

i think most fans here believe the answer is "no" which is why so many folks are already suggesting trade packages and such. and just as a fan, i would tend to agree that given the current state of the MIL roster outside Giannis, it is hard to see a path.

i appreciate Giannis as a person and a player, so I would hate to be a MIL fan going through this. you have a humble, hard working, generational player who doesn't want to chase bright lights, and he has brought so much joy back to nba fandom there. but he wants to win another ring, and it would have to be in the next ~3-5 years. they cant draft him a co-star with no picks, and sadly Dame doesn't seem like he can stay healthy enough to be that guy anymore. so how do you put a chip quality roster around him?


Even trading him onto a team with Luka or Wemby or whoever is also no guarantee that he wins a second ring. Why would those co-stars be any different from Middleton slipping on a wet spot in the first round and having his career basically ended. Why would that guarantee that there isn’t some super team formed by a trio of stars looking to one up LeBron and Durant?

The answer is it’s not guaranteed. Even forming a super team of your own is not guaranteed. Prime Wade and LeBron lost. Curry Durant Klay and Green lost. Durant Harden and Kyrie lost.
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Re: It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers 

Post#120 » by morosis » Wed Jun 11, 2025 6:54 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:Even trading him onto a team with Luka or Wemby or whoever is also no guarantee that he wins a second ring. Why would those co-stars be any different from Middleton slipping on a wet spot in the first round and having his career basically ended. Why would that guarantee that there isn’t some super team formed by a trio of stars looking to one up LeBron and Durant?

The answer is it’s not guaranteed. Even forming a super team of your own is not guaranteed. Prime Wade and LeBron lost. Curry Durant Klay and Green lost. Durant Harden and Kyrie lost.


100% true and I agree - that's why I'm trying to hone in on the point that it's about Giannis's perception of whether he is on a potential chip-contention quality roster, or one with a path to get there.

If MIL FO can put a vision out there for how they can assemble a roster Giannis wants to "go to war" with, and he's comfortable betting on that vision to get to his desired second ring, then great. that just seems hard to visualize based on where we are now, which is what makes the situation dangerous.

ideally, Giannis never feels like he needs to cast his eyes elsewhere. ideally he never thinks "oh man if i could play with X or Y guys instead of my own teammates, I could be contending every year." but that's the shame of it. he does seem to be thinking that. he does seem to be looking at other cities and thinking he might have a better shot on other teams.

all that said, if we can agree that Giannis's priority is to compete for a second ring, then I think everything else kind of falls into place. can MIL, with its limited assets, assemble a chip-contending roster in the next 3-5 years? if they think they can, and get Giannis to buy in, he has no reason to leave and everyone is happy. if they think they can't, the right thing to do by him, is to maximize the return MIL would get for his contract. maximizing the return would be to trade his contract when it is most valuable, which would be now.

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