#1/#2-I'm sure this has been proposed

[nykballa2k4]

Just to add another POV
i think the league would not want (and Flagg to some extent) Wemby and Flagg on the same team. Flagg is basically the next All-American superstar dream (so far it's all hype, but this is the HOPE). Pairing him with Wemby basically dims both stars to some degree. Flagg is not going to want to be the Pippen on Wemby's team (Pippen might not be a bad comp for him though), meanwhile Silver and ESPN need to have Flagg vs Wemby WCF in a few years.

Otherwise (or additionally) I agree with basically everything else on the thread. Optics alone, Mavs can't lose Flagg arguably even in a king-maker package. Because of how strong the top of the draft is, no team would be/should be willing to offer so much.

[One_and_Done]

We disagree. I also don't know that Flagg is going to be a 'dominant' offensive player in the NBA. Nate Duncan (who has him #1 on his board) had a pod on him where he had considerable doubt about his ability to exploit defenders at the NBA level.

[lirikko]

Another option would be that if Dallas is seeing that SAS wants to compete now, as it is suspected if the rumours are true that they could be interested in Giannis or KD, is that they offer them AD in exchange for the #2 and fillers.

SAS would have the best interior defense in the league with the two towers. Accompanied well on the perimeter by Fox and Castle. Which would give them a powerful base to compete at the highest level.

And Dallas could start a very powerful young project with Harper/Flagg/Lively.

[wemby]

Another option would be that if Dallas is seeing that SAS wants to compete now, as it is suspected if the rumours are true that they could be interested in Giannis or KD, is that they offer them AD in exchange for the #2 and fillers.

SAS would have the best interior defense in the league with the two towers. Accompanied well on the perimeter by Fox and Castle. Which would give them a powerful base to compete at the highest level.

And Dallas could start a very powerful young project with Harper/Flagg/Lively.

Spurs are not bringing forward their timeline this aggresively, it'd be nonsensical for them.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Feels like SA is overpaying slightly.

I disagree. This is not much to pay for the premium of Flagg

[Mr Puddles]

Regardless of the value is good or not. Imagine Nico first trades Luka, resulting in scorn from Mavs fans. Then Dallas miraculously lands the #1 pick with maybe the most hyped project in a decade, only for Nico to again trade him.

I don't think there's enough pitchforks in Dallas to accommodate demand from the fall out of that trade.

[One_and_Done]

Feels like SA is overpaying slightly.

I disagree. This is not much to pay for the premium of Flagg

I don't remember a team ever trading this much to move up one spot, not even from 1 to 2. Not even the Webber for Penny package was this extortionate.

[Michaellam1987]

Feels like SA is overpaying slightly.

I disagree. This is not much to pay for the premium of Flagg

I don't remember a team ever trading this much to move up one spot, not even from 1 to 2. Not even the Webber for Penny package was this extortionate.

Honestly, this entirely depends on how people's view on the gap between Flagg and Harper.

#14 likely will give you a serviceable rotational player, while FY27 ATL pick may be around #10 to #15. ATL won't tank in the FY26/27 to see the high pick go to SAS for free. And that is why we are very rarely seeing high pick going to another team.

Martin is negative asset, while Marshall is positive asset, and Barnes is slight positive asset. The variance on that part is not that large.

IMO, national player of the year won by freshman has only been done 3 times before Flagg, as known as KD, AD and Zion, so yes, if I am the SAS, I will take this deal and gamble on Flagg. Positional-wise, Flagg also fits SAS much better than Harper.

[One_and_Done]

I wouldn't be basing my evaluation on 'who won college player of the year as a freshman'.

[Djh7475]

This seems counterintuitive for Dallas. Flagg seems ready to contribute to winning quickly with his defense and all around game especially with Kyrie/AD as the top offensive options. Harper seems like a guy with insane upside but who will take a few years to make a positive impact.

After trading Luka for AD to make a run at a title with defense as a major reason why, they’ve got to be in love with the short and long term upside of a guy like Flagg (who can play a role similar to Tatum in his rookie year). Harper and #14 are guys that probably won’t contribute to winning for a couple of years.

The only scenario I could see the Mavs moving #1 is if the Spurs overpaid substantially or if they move it for a package based around a star and/or high end role player(s). I wouldn’t move #1 for almost anything if I was the Mavs just because of how their roster in structured.

[giberish]

Feels like SA is overpaying slightly.

I disagree. This is not much to pay for the premium of Flagg

I don't remember a team ever trading this much to move up one spot, not even from 1 to 2. Not even the Webber for Penny package was this extortionate.

I'd have 3 unprotected 1sts from a team that didn't' look to be that good as more than #14 and a future Atlanta 1st (IMO the players don't really matter in this deal).

I'd also have Flagg above even Webber as a prospect (I have him as one of 5 prospects since 2000 that I felt had a better than 50/50 chance of being a top-10 player for a bunch of years in their prime, similar to AD or Luka with LeBron and Wemby a tier above). Harper and Penny are about even.

[Texas Chuck]

Harper got a lot better and Flagg got a lot worse the day after the draft lottery. Probably just a really weird coincidence.

[wemby]

Harper got a lot better and Flagg got a lot worse the day after the draft lottery. Probably just a really weird coincidence.

Don't take this the wrong way... but you shouldn't point fingers here. Your opinion of Flagg has changed drastically, from believing he's the kind of prospect who comes around almost every year and saying Mavs would probably deal him for a "star" wing in his 30, to demanding that return or more for a move from 2 to 1. I don't know many Spurs fans that have swung their opinion on Harper this drastically. Maybe you've watched him more and changed your mind? Maybe you can extend the same courtesy to Spurs fans on Harper?

[gswhoops]

Harper got a lot better and Flagg got a lot worse the day after the draft lottery. Probably just a really weird coincidence.

Didn't you know? The draft is actually really flat until right after [whatever pick my favorite team has] and then drops off sharply. So it should cost us nothing to move up, but we should get a huge ransom to move down.

[Texas Chuck]

Harper got a lot better and Flagg got a lot worse the day after the draft lottery. Probably just a really weird coincidence.

Don't take this the wrong way... but you shouldn't point fingers here. Your opinion of Flagg has changed drastically, from believing he's the kind of prospect who comes around almost every year and saying Mavs would probably deal him for a "star" wing in his 30, to demanding that return or more for a move from 2 to 1. I don't know many Spurs fans that have swung their opinion on Harper this drastically. Maybe you've watched him more and changed your mind? Maybe you can extend the same courtesy to Spurs fans on Harper?

I'm still on trade him for Giannis. That's not an option but I would take it. Or Edwards. Also not an option.

I've also consistently said my opinion on him is less than generational prospect. I don't trust him to be an offensive star.

I can say both things and still think this is light based on what the consensus opinion on Flagg is. I don't set values based on me. Others know far more about Flagg's potential than me. This return is nothing close to a Giannis or Edwards price either so how I am demanding more when the offer is far less lol?

The only prospect I've ever stood on a chair for before the draft was Luka Doncic. And my team had the 5th pick and so I knew we weren't getting him. But I pumped him big time before he was a Mav.

I don't have Flagg close to how I had Luka. Which is why I'm open to trading him. Not open to giving him away when the consensus says he is worth more than this though. Odd I know.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Harper got a lot better and Flagg got a lot worse the day after the draft lottery. Probably just a really weird coincidence.

Didn't you know? The draft is actually really flat until right after [whatever pick my favorite team has] and then drops off sharply. So it should cost us nothing to move up, but we should get a huge ransom to move down.

There is no difference between #3 and #23

In fact, we would never do that deal as it creates a tax issue. Philadelphia would need to add value for us to swap #3 and #23.

[gswhoops]

Harper got a lot better and Flagg got a lot worse the day after the draft lottery. Probably just a really weird coincidence.

Didn't you know? The draft is actually really flat until right after [whatever pick my favorite team has] and then drops off sharply. So it should cost us nothing to move up, but we should get a huge ransom to move down.

There is no difference between #3 and #23

Psssh, all the experts are saying that this is a top-41 draft

[ReggiesKnicks]

Didn't you know? The draft is actually really flat until right after [whatever pick my favorite team has] and then drops off sharply. So it should cost us nothing to move up, but we should get a huge ransom to move down.

There is no difference between #3 and #23

Psssh, all the experts are saying that this is a top-41 draft

That's just ESPN talking heads.

The reality is it is a Top-55 draft. And don't let Lakers Fans convince you it is Top-56, it stops at 55.

[wemby]

Harper got a lot better and Flagg got a lot worse the day after the draft lottery. Probably just a really weird coincidence.

Don't take this the wrong way... but you shouldn't point fingers here. Your opinion of Flagg has changed drastically, from believing he's the kind of prospect who comes around almost every year and saying Mavs would probably deal him for a "star" wing in his 30, to demanding that return or more for a move from 2 to 1. I don't know many Spurs fans that have swung their opinion on Harper this drastically. Maybe you've watched him more and changed your mind? Maybe you can extend the same courtesy to Spurs fans on Harper?

I'm still on trade him for Giannis. That's not an option but I would take it. Or Edwards. Also not an option.

I've also consistently said my opinion on him is less than generational prospect. I don't trust him to be an offensive star.

I can say both things and still think this is light based on what the consensus opinion on Flagg is. I don't set values based on me. Others know far more about Flagg's potential than me.

The only prospect I've ever stood on a chair for before the draft was Luka Doncic. And my team had the 5th pick and so I knew we weren't getting him. But I pumped him big time before he was a Mav.

I don't have Flagg close to how I had Luka. Which is why I'm open to trading him. Not open to giving him away when the consensus says he is worth more than this though. Odd I know.

I'm actually higher on Flagg than you ever were, before and now. But it's weird to watch you demand a king's ransom to move up to 1 from a player at 2 who consensus sees pretty close to how you described Flagg before the Mavs got him. For the record, I'm not opposed to the notion that the gap is significant, only to the idea that somehow it's the opinion of others that fluctuates when clearly it's not. I'm often accused of bias, I admit to having my own, but I'm not alone in this boat I guess.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm actually higher on Flagg than you ever were, before and now. But it's weird to watch you demand a king's ransom to move up to 1 from a player at 2 who consensus sees pretty close to how you described Flagg before the Mavs got him. For the record, I'm not opposed to the notion that the gap is significant, only to the idea that somehow it's the opinion of others that fluctuates when clearly it's not. I'm often accused of bias, I admit to having my own, but I'm not alone in this boat I guess.

I mean its pretty obvious which poster I was referring to you and its not you. I even single you out itt as someone being reasonable. So its pretty odd now for you to assume I was speaking of you when I said literally the opposite about you itt. We have a poster itt telling everyone who will listen that Harper is as good or better of a prospect and prior to the lottery this same poster was on these boards talking about how much better of a prospect Flagg was than Harper.

Now it could be that he hadn't evaluated either guy yet because he didn't think the Spurs would have a shot at one, and once he did he honestly changed his opinion 180 degrees. But considering his takes in every other Spurs thread...well everyone can decide for themselves.

And I still haven't demanded a King's ransom yet. This proposal is 14 and one future 1st. And they are being asked to throw in Marshall on top. Which last I checked isn't a ton of value. And no I don't think its enough to swap Harper for Flagg based on what I know right now.

But as I have stated multiple times(multiple times just in this thread no less), its possible Dallas evaluates these prospects like that poster does and might take an offer like this because they will still get their guy plus a bonus(the Atlanta Trae Young decision).

But with absolutely no evidence supporting that Dallas prefers Harper, I have to stick to what the consensus tells me the value difference is and its more than a mid first and an unknown first imo.