2025 NBA Draft (2)

Eyeamok · Post #1681 » by **Eyeamok** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:07 pm

With the NIL money a lot of these players come into the NBA as multi-millionaires already. More so than ever before the desire to get better the desire to push yourself is extremely important in whoever the pick is. You can't realistically lock anyone in a gym and force then do do anything. They have to want it. The lottery guys have already got paid. What will really separate them is the desire to work hard, get better be coachable and listen and learn, just because they love the game. There are going to be women, parties, temptations and more money than they know what to do with. A high character guy is a must going forward.

Even though the chances of drafting him are slim a guy like Cedric Coward stands out to me. He has worked himself up from basically nothing to declining going to Duke and staying in the draft. Yes he is older. But I like his attitude and work ethic.

FireMorey · Post #1682 » by **FireMorey** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:12 pm

A workout is now scheduled with Bailey

stormi · Post #1683 » by **stormi** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:13 pm

CPops57 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Kon is a complementary player, not a primary playmaker. I'd be fine drafting him after a trade down, but absolutely not at #3 overall. That high you need to swing for a primary playmaker.

For Kneuppel's position, I agree that better shot creation is sort of his swing attribute that would vault him past being some kind of connective sniper high-end role player into Chris-Mullin-ish territory. Right now, it's fair to say that he's not an elite full-time NBA creator, though for context, absolutely nobody else at #3 is that right now either.

But the question is, can he realistically get there? He doesn't have the high-end athleticism of course. But he does have a great shooting ability, and decent handle/vision for his position.

So IMO, he really needs refinement in 2 things:

His handle needs to get __% better. He doesn't need to be like Kyrie or AI, but a little tighter ball control will be very useful for his driving, creating shots in tight space, and relocating for shots.

He needs to master a pull-up jumper and floater to give himself a few extra offensive options.

Aren't both of those completely realistic modest refinements of existing skills that he already possesses that are within a realistic development curve for a self-aware, disciplined guy who is by all accounts a very hard worker?

PS: I think we're all in agreement that regardless of who the pick is, we'd all ideally prefer the Sixers trade down and get more value if we love a guy and know he'll be there later. The ideal is to figure out who wants to draft somebody you don't want, and trade down with them.

Everything about Kon's ability to create is vastly underrated by fans in general. I doubt that's 1:1 for NBA evaluators.

He's 6'6 and strong, extremely smart, fantastic passer and can operate as a jumbo PG. Would probably be our best passer out of the P&R from day 1.

Huge scoring numbers all throughout HS and dropped 30/5/8 in the tournament game Flagg went down with injury.

Borderline generational shooting prospect and as his role increased at Duke (rim volume ↑), his efficiency and finishing around the rim continued to ascend.

He's the one prospect who's being held back by wingspan for me. If it were closer to +3" instead of just +1" he'd be my #2 player in the class.

eyeatoma · Post #1684 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:15 pm

FireMorey wrote:A workout is now scheduled with Bailey

Read on Twitter

stormi · Post #1685 » by **stormi** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:17 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
FireMorey wrote:A workout is now scheduled with Bailey

Read on Twitter

Are you listening, Joe Dumars?

Eyeamok · Post #1686 » by **Eyeamok** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:23 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Love it. Mention of Maxey at the dinner but no Embiid. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t there but I think it’s noteworthy.

Embiid wants Ace. He said "No Ace I'll pass !"

Eyeamok · Post #1687 » by **Eyeamok** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:27 pm

Arsenal wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Love it. Mention of Maxey at the dinner but no Embiid. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t there but I think it’s noteworthy.

Agree. Maxey is part of the future here, Embiid likely not. I think Maxey would be a better judge of character and work ethic also.

Boo. Just Boo. Embiid gave his frigging knee for this franchise and has worked his ass off to become a better player. Yes he has his flaws but damn that was harsh. No Bueno Marcus !

stormi · Post #1688 » by **stormi** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:30 pm

Eyeamok wrote:Boo. Just Boo. Embiid gave his frigging knee for this franchise and has worked his ass off to become a better player. Yes he has his flaws but damn that was harsh. No Bueno Marcus !

Who needs haters when you have fans like ours?

Negrodamus · Post #1689 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:36 pm

I wonder who Maxey would want after sitting down with both: the guy who clearly only wants to shoot difficult shots or the guy who is off ball that will play within the offense.

OleSchool · Post #1690 » by **OleSchool** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:40 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I wonder who Maxey would want after sitting down with both: the guy who clearly only wants to shoot difficult shots or the guy who is off ball that will play within the offense.

Is Maxey going to be there? It didn't say so

Redemption76 · Post #1691 » by **Redemption76** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:40 pm

Clearly wants to take only difficult shots? How about ‘Can make difficult shots?’ As opposed to every other candidate in this draft.

OleSchool · Post #1692 » by **OleSchool** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:41 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I wonder who Maxey would want after sitting down with both: the guy who clearly only wants to shoot difficult shots or the guy who is off ball that will play within the offense.

Is Maxey going to be there? It didn't say so

Jailblazers7 · Post #1693 » by **Jailblazers7** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:44 pm

A trade down with the Wizards is very interesting to me. My dream trade would be to get Bub Carrington + 6 for like Ricky Council + 3 + 35.

stormi · Post #1694 » by **stormi** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:45 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I wonder who Maxey would want after sitting down with both: the guy who clearly only wants to shoot difficult shots or the guy who is off ball that will play within the offense.

I've been saying VJs most ideal role, at least immediately is playing off the ball as a connector on offense, attacking closeouts, C&S 3s, primary perimeter defensive matchups

He's player that compliments both Maxey and McCain the best. It's never been each other.

The Ace workout getting announced after this. Morey, you're been caught already lmao.

stormi · Post #1695 » by **stormi** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:45 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:A trade down with the Wizards is very interesting to me. My dream trade would be to get Bub Carrington + 6 for like Ricky Council + 3 + 35.

Bub is literally baby Shai.

They're not moving him for anything sadly.

sodmoraes · Post #1696 » by **sodmoraes** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:46 pm

If VJ identifies himself as a point guard, does that means his pronouns are PG/Lead guard?

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Jailblazers7 · Post #1697 » by **Jailblazers7** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:47 pm

stormi wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:A trade down with the Wizards is very interesting to me. My dream trade would be to get Bub Carrington + 6 for like Ricky Council + 3 + 35.

Bub is literally baby Shai.

They're not moving him for anything sadly.

Great news, we have Paul George so they can trade us Bub + 7 FRPs.

eyeatoma · Post #1698 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:54 pm

stormi wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I wonder who Maxey would want after sitting down with both: the guy who clearly only wants to shoot difficult shots or the guy who is off ball that will play within the offense.

I've been saying VJs most ideal role, at least immediately is playing off the ball as a connector on offense, attacking closeouts, C&S 3s, primary perimeter defensive matchups

He's player that compliments both Maxey and McCain the best. It's never been each other.

The Ace workout getting announced after this. Morey, you're been caught already lmao.

So this is all about fit and not about upside? VJ has the least star potential amongst the three players (Ace/Tre/VJ). The organization getting another short player who will clash with our three guards will only cause future issues where you have to trade a piece.

the_process · Post #1699 » by **the_process** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:54 pm

Redemption76 wrote:Clearly wants to take only difficult shots? How about ‘Can make difficult shots?’ As opposed to every other candidate in this draft.

Ace very clearly is of the mindset that there is no bad shot for him.

The first time he looks off Maxey or McCain for an open corner 3 and instead forces an 18 footer against two defenders... you Aceaholics will be singing a very different tune.

youngcrev · Post #1700 » by **youngcrev** » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:55 pm

OleSchool wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I wonder who Maxey would want after sitting down with both: the guy who clearly only wants to shoot difficult shots or the guy who is off ball that will play within the offense.

Is Maxey going to be there? It didn't say so

Try to stop him! All that dude does is ball. Get a hobby, nerd!