Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Nyce_1]

Jordan is just entering his prime.

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Thought he retired?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Jordon Poole, the guy everyone trades for just to see how fast they can trade him. Yeah let’s get that guy.

I admit initially I was really against it, but it was mainly due to the noise and unwarranted judgement.

I took a deep dive into the numbers to see if there was something that could justify the acquisition and this is what I found:

His top-5 most comparable offensive players last season were:

Zach Lavine
Anthony Edwards
Anfernee Simons (lol)
James Harden
Kevin Durant

He was in the top 90 percentile (elite) in the following:

Shooting quality
Offensive load
Creation (number of open shots created for teammates)

He was in the top 80 percentile (above avg) in the following:

Portability (this is an important stat, it basically measures how well he’ll do if you put x4 random players around him)

3 point attempt rate


He obviously is a very very talented offensive player, but comes with his warts.

Defensively he leaves a lot to desire lol, but I trust Mosley in this regard. Orlando was still one of the best defenses in the league even with their best defender out. He has a 6’7” wingspan and I really believe he could be a passable defender under the right setting.

Lastly, he has Michigan ties and is really close with a lot of our players so I’m not too worried about compatibility or his ability to fit in.

Not the worst option with all things considered.

[Skybox]

Salaries don’t match.

Orlando outgoing: $59.7M

Orlando incoming: $45.8M

If Isaac is dealt before 7/11 he counts as $25M

I also wouldn’t complicate the trade:

Isaac/Cole/#25 for Poole/Bey works perfect salary wise.

Yeah, damn I forgot about Isaac needing to hit that date first.

I dont want Bey and would rather move KCP. So no thanks nevermind.

Orlando has to be strategic.

Moving KCP isn’t necessary this offseason. With this trade we still are under the 1st apron.

We can then look at moving KCP next off season (or even at the deadline) when he’s an expiring and a lot easier to move.

Bey is also an expiring and provides shooting (could be an underrated pickup).

If that's accurate, I'm all for keeping KCP...I like having him, just not getting into aprons for him to be a backup.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Yeah, damn I forgot about Isaac needing to hit that date first.

I dont want Bey and would rather move KCP. So no thanks nevermind.

Orlando has to be strategic.

Moving KCP isn’t necessary this offseason. With this trade we still are under the 1st apron.

We can then look at moving KCP next off season (or even at the deadline) when he’s an expiring and a lot easier to move.

Bey is also an expiring and provides shooting (could be an underrated pickup).

If that's accurate, I'm all for keeping KCP...I like having him, just not getting into aprons for him to be a backup.

This was contingent to Isaac 25M, but that looks like wrong intel now that coincidentally the all great Philip also confirmed lol.

[jezzerinho]

Jordan Poole makes more bad decisions than (insert topical fracas of a human being).

He's a career turnover machine on high usage.

Betting you can tame him and have him function in a decent efficient offense where he's sharing the ball heavily seems to me a bit of a fools errand.

[Skybox]

Ok, on the JI outgoing salary bit. My understanding is that regardless of timing the outgoing salary for trade purposes will be $15M.


From the CBA:

"With respect to the assignment of Player Contracts occurring during the period from the day following the last day of a Regular Season through June 30 of that Salary Cap Year, a Traded Player’s Salary will equal the lesser of:
(x) the player’s Salary for the current Salary Cap Year; and
(y) the player’s Salary for the subsequent Salary Cap Year reduced by the amount of the player’s unearned Base Compensation for the subsequent Salary Cap Year that, at the time of the trade, is not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness"

That makes a LOT more sense

[OrlandoDream]

The michigan connection isnt that strong to warrant a Jordan Poole trade. I rather have Simons all day over Poole.

[basketballRob]

The michigan connection isnt that strong to warrant a Jordan Poole trade. I rather have Simons all day over Poole.

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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[89Magicfan]

The michigan connection isnt that strong to warrant a Jordan Poole trade. I rather have Simons all day over Poole.

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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That should tell you something.

[dsg2021]

The Orlando Magic want to enter their new rebrand era with a level of excitement and sky-rocketing trajectory that has not been felt since the Shaq & Penny days. We felt the spark of it from the '23-24 season. The '24-25 season was injury-riddled but flashed it with Paolo and Franz showing superstar moments in the Playoffs. YET AGAIN.
So the Magic, with our Paolo, Franz, and Suggs core of 3 right now, should enter this season with a radically remixed roster. The kind that ignites their team offense, looks for new star power in the draft, and keeps their defense as fierce as always.



Before 6/30/2025 and likely before Draft Night:
#16 Pick,
#25 Pick,
Wendell Carter Jr.
for
#17 Pick,
Naz Reid
*Trade works in Spotrac

The Magic remix WCJ out for a slightly more defensive and better shooting version in Naz Reid. Same wingspan but Naz Reid shows as more agile and nimbler than WCJ in team defensive schemes. Pull up Naz Reid's defensive clips against Nikola Jokic as well, they're shocking. GSW fans label him a Warriors-killer. A popular MIN blog reflecting deep fanbase consensus labels Reid as more important to retain than NAW.
But MIN faces more tax pressure than ORL. And even with little cap space out there, Reid will likely leverage into 20+ per year. Enter WCJ, a 5/4 on a controlled contract under 20 per. Plus two 1st rounders as rookie-scaled contracts for MIN to add to depth or to other deals. Dilingham and #16 or #25 on a big will make them forget about Reid, especially with WCJ as a solid replacement.
For alternatives to Naz Reid, I like Kristaps Porzingis for a similar type of deal (expecting KP's new deal to be under 24 mil per year) and Walker Kessler with recent news of UTA lowering his asking price (although it would cost more trade-wise with a future 1st probably).


Before 6/30/2025 and likely before Draft Night:
Goga Bitadze (2 year contract wildly undervalued to on-court value),
Cole Anthony (expiring youth experiment),
Jett Howard (expiring youth experiment with RFA rights),
#57 Pick,
Cash Considerations,
for
Anfernee Simons
*Trade works in Spotrac

Everyone has talked about this ad nauseam. It's no secret the Magic want to upgrade one of their Guard spots. Even if Suggs and KCP were still the starters, they desperately need a "I can score on my own" Guard with shooting, captain quarterbacking, or both. Suggs should be capped at like 26 MPG in the regular season anyways. Also, you can pull my arm and probably have KCP and JI available over any of those outgoing ORL players above too. It's just my first preference to not lose KCP and JI this summer. Maybe even a lotto-protected 1st can be pulled into it.
But the Magic can also leverage this offer to their advantage exactly because it is so obvious. They can publicize very similar versions of this deal out there for many semi-similar guards. Anfernee Simons, Collin Sexton, Coby White, even Jordan Poole and CJ McCollum and more inbetween. So the urge for a team to grab 1-2 interesting Magic players and a 1st should be strong when you're terrified of paying an expiring guard 20+ per year who is not quite in your own plans.


Draft Night 06/25/2025:
'26 ORL 1st via PHX/WAS (Projected #1-9 pick),
'27 ORL 1st Swap (Unprotected: Projected #18-28 as of today),
'28 ORL 1st (Unprotected: Projected #18-28 as of today),
'30 ORL 1st (Unprotected: Projected #1-14 pick due to unpredictable future and ORL's lack of playoff appearances last 10 years),
Cash Considerations,
#46 Pick,
'26 ORL 2nd via DET,
'28 ORL 2nd via WAS,
'30 ORL 2nd via NOP,
for
#3 from PHI, #4 from CHA, or #5 from UTA with draft rights to Tre Johnson
*Trade works in Spotrac

For me, Tre Johnson is someone who is going to shake up the core of the Magic and soon make it a Core 4. Nothing is more exciting to fans than watching a young star on the rise. He was basically the most elite midrange shooter in college, averaged 4 assists in the last stretch of the season, and had long stretches of shooting 40%+ from 3 and 90%+ from the FT. He is knocked on defense and strength, and yet he is 6'6 as a 1/2 guard and his FTA rate was very high and just kept rising.
I know everyone is saying PHI shouldn't pass up Ace Bailey, from fans to draft experts and team sources, but the smoke right now is saying PHI will take VJ Edgecombe to provide the much needed defensive yin to Maxey and McCain's yang. And PHI doesn't have much reason to play mindgames with Flagg and Harper so incredibly entrenched at #1 and 2. For this reason, Anthony Black's all-defense and upside might have to be included in the offer. Of course we'd be taking two ORL 1st's back out of the offer though, and adding Black gets rid of the strangeness of a Picks only deal with no existing NBA players involved I guess. CHA could be the one to jump on this offer if they don't love Ace Bailey enough too.
For us, I'd rather be bereft of future 1st's for the yin yang balance of Anthony Black next to say Anfernee Simons. And I am terrified of what Black's upside could be too. He could still be a bit of a star player himself.



Your New Orlando Magic:

Tre Johnson / Anfernee Simons / Chris Paul (5 mil BAE)
Jalen Suggs / Kentavious Caldwell-Pope / Anthony Black
Franz Wagner / Nickeil Alexander-Walker (14 mil MLE) / Tristan da Silva
Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac / Rasheer Fleming (#17 Pick)
Naz Reid / Mo Wagner (OUT)

- #17 Pick, 14 mil MLE, 5 mil BAE available for Magic to still use;
My early picks for these are Rasheer Fleming, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and Chris Paul respectively.
- Tre Johnson is listed as a Starter to reflect his fast impact and rising star trajectory. KCP, Simons, or even CP3 may be starting for some or most of the '25-26 season.
- CP3, the Point God, is not just here as a Veteran. He's here to teach Tre, Suggs, Simons, and Black how to THINK and PLAY like a PG. When CP3 retires, he has a "Player Option" to be an Assistant Coach in ORL.
- KCP may not be in the long-term plans if Black keeps progressing upwards, or at least not for any contract above 10 mil per year. But ideally, KCP is still a very impactful 2-way player and starting him this next season may help to limit the new contract hype coming to Simons and Black.

[Def Swami]

My favorite is when he’s terrified of making any kind of rational judgement on current players. Then when they are moved he praises the decision.

20% of this board operates the same way.

I understand why he does it, he meets some of lower level stuff and if he is lucky enough, some players and is hoping to get 20 sec "interview" with players.

Why fans do it? To not be called out if some player becomes good ? Like, who cares...

It's people thinking every player in Orlando is better than they are in reality because they play for the Magic.

PRR has the lamest softball takes because he wants access and doesnt want to step on anyones toes.

The most critical thing he's said this season is that Isaac's offense might be gone... like yeah obviously.

I actually appreciate how measured he is. It’s a nice counter this forum.

[JRoy]

The Orlando Magic want to enter their new rebrand era with a level of excitement and sky-rocketing trajectory that has not been felt since the Shaq & Penny days. We felt the spark of it from the '23-24 season. The '24-25 season was injury-riddled but flashed it with Paolo and Franz showing superstar moments in the Playoffs. YET AGAIN.
So the Magic, with our Paolo, Franz, and Suggs core of 3 right now, should enter this season with a radically remixed roster. The kind that ignites their team offense, looks for new star power in the draft, and keeps their defense as fierce as always.



Before 6/30/2025 and likely before Draft Night:
#16 Pick,
#25 Pick,
Wendell Carter Jr.
for
#17 Pick,
Naz Reid
*Trade works in Spotrac

The Magic remix WCJ out for a slightly more defensive and better shooting version in Naz Reid. Same wingspan but Naz Reid shows as more agile and nimbler than WCJ in team defensive schemes. Pull up Naz Reid's defensive clips against Nikola Jokic as well, they're shocking. GSW fans label him a Warriors-killer. A popular MIN blog reflecting deep fanbase consensus labels Reid as more important to retain than NAW.
But MIN faces more tax pressure than ORL. And even with little cap space out there, Reid will likely leverage into 20+ per year. Enter WCJ, a 5/4 on a controlled contract under 20 per. Plus two 1st rounders as rookie-scaled contracts for MIN to add to depth or to other deals. Dilingham and #16 or #25 on a big will make them forget about Reid, especially with WCJ as a solid replacement.
For alternatives to Naz Reid, I like Kristaps Porzingis for a similar type of deal (expecting KP's new deal to be under 24 mil per year) and Walker Kessler with recent news of UTA lowering his asking price (although it would cost more trade-wise with a future 1st probably).


Before 6/30/2025 and likely before Draft Night:
Goga Bitadze (2 year contract wildly undervalued to on-court value),
Cole Anthony (expiring youth experiment),
Jett Howard (expiring youth experiment with RFA rights),
#57 Pick,
Cash Considerations,
for
Anfernee Simons
*Trade works in Spotrac

Everyone has talked about this ad nauseam. It's no secret the Magic want to upgrade one of their Guard spots. Even if Suggs and KCP were still the starters, they desperately need a "I can score on my own" Guard with shooting, captain quarterbacking, or both. Suggs should be capped at like 26 MPG in the regular season anyways. Also, you can pull my arm and probably have KCP and JI available over any of those outgoing ORL players above too. It's just my first preference to not lose KCP and JI this summer. Maybe even a lotto-protected 1st can be pulled into it.
But the Magic can also leverage this offer to their advantage exactly because it is so obvious. They can publicize very similar versions of this deal out there for many semi-similar guards. Anfernee Simons, Collin Sexton, Coby White, even Jordan Poole and CJ McCollum and more inbetween. So the urge for a team to grab 1-2 interesting Magic players and a 1st should be strong when you're terrified of paying an expiring guard 20+ per year who is not quite in your own plans.


Draft Night 06/25/2025:
'26 ORL 1st via PHX/WAS (Projected #1-9 pick),
'27 ORL 1st Swap (Unprotected: Projected #18-28 as of today),
'28 ORL 1st (Unprotected: Projected #18-28 as of today),
'30 ORL 1st (Unprotected: Projected #1-14 pick due to unpredictable future and ORL's lack of playoff appearances last 10 years),
Cash Considerations,
#46 Pick,
'26 ORL 2nd via DET,
'28 ORL 2nd via WAS,
'30 ORL 2nd via NOP,
for
#3 from PHI, #4 from CHA, or #5 from UTA with draft rights to Tre Johnson
*Trade works in Spotrac

For me, Tre Johnson is someone who is going to shake up the core of the Magic and soon make it a Core 4. Nothing is more exciting to fans than watching a young star on the rise. He was basically the most elite midrange shooter in college, averaged 4 assists in the last stretch of the season, and had long stretches of shooting 40%+ from 3 and 90%+ from the FT. He is knocked on defense and strength, and yet he is 6'6 as a 1/2 guard and his FTA rate was very high and just kept rising.
I know everyone is saying PHI shouldn't pass up Ace Bailey, from fans to draft experts and team sources, but the smoke right now is saying PHI will take VJ Edgecombe to provide the much needed defensive yin to Maxey and McCain's yang. And PHI doesn't have much reason to play mindgames with Flagg and Harper so incredibly entrenched at #1 and 2. For this reason, Anthony Black's all-defense and upside might have to be included in the offer. Of course we'd be taking two ORL 1st's back out of the offer though, and adding Black gets rid of the strangeness of a Picks only deal with no existing NBA players involved I guess. CHA could be the one to jump on this offer if they don't love Ace Bailey enough too.
For us, I'd rather be bereft of future 1st's for the yin yang balance of Anthony Black next to say Anfernee Simons. And I am terrified of what Black's upside could be too. He could still be a bit of a star player himself.



Your New Orlando Magic:

Tre Johnson / Anfernee Simons / Chris Paul (5 mil BAE)
Jalen Suggs / Kentavious Caldwell-Pope / Anthony Black
Franz Wagner / Nickeil Alexander-Walker (14 mil MLE) / Tristan da Silva
Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac / Rasheer Fleming (#17 Pick)
Naz Reid / Mo Wagner (OUT)

- #17 Pick, 14 mil MLE, 5 mil BAE available for Magic to still use;
My early picks for these are Rasheer Fleming, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and Chris Paul respectively.
- Tre Johnson is listed as a Starter to reflect his fast impact and rising star trajectory. KCP, Simons, or even CP3 may be starting for some or most of the '25-26 season.
- CP3, the Point God, is not just here as a Veteran. He's here to teach Tre, Suggs, Simons, and Black how to THINK and PLAY like a PG. When CP3 retires, he has a "Player Option" to be an Assistant Coach in ORL.
- KCP may not be in the long-term plans if Black keeps progressing upwards, or at least not for any contract above 10 mil per year. But ideally, KCP is still a very impactful 2-way player and starting him this next season may help to limit the new contract hype coming to Simons and Black.

Pass from POR. Literally nothing we want; a 5th center, a bust, a disappointing guard POR would let expire and a garbage pick.

POR politely declines, blocks the # and prays for your soul.

[dsg2021]

Pass from POR. Literally nothing we want; a 5th center, a bust, a disappointing guard POR would let expire and a garbage pick.

POR politely declines, blocks the # and prays for your soul.

I was very greedy with who exactly I wanted back on the Magic roster at the end of these summer transaction ideas for fun. But if you read the paragraph below, I said pieces like KCP, Jonathan Isaac, and a 1st Round Pick are on the board for POR to pick from also. I guess you read it and it also does nothing for you.

But in any case, I also mentioned like 5 other guards besides Simons for the Magic to chase after with offers. We've actually talked about Collin Sexton even more than Simons this past year. And Coby White just as much since the report linking him and ORL a few months ago. POR needs to pay Simons 20+ mil after the season or let him walk for nothing. Maybe you get one good season out of him and in the very last second of his walk off, you can sign-and-trade for a 1st and expirings from someone else instead of ORL. I think it can very hopefully happen since it seems like sign-and-trades might be needed more in this current CBA.

I haven't heard any thing from POR or their fans wanting to sign him to something like 18-26 per for 2-4 years but maybe that's an obvious thing to do that everyone is forgetting.

[drsd]

... I said pieces like KCP, Jonathan Isaac, and a 1st Round Pick are on the board for POR to pick from also. I guess you read it and it also does nothing for you.

It is certain that Portland trades Simons. So: if Orlando makes the best package, he is in Magic blue.
As the Blazers is far from trying to be competative, the Magic's best assets in a trade are the two FRPs.
Personally I think that Anthony, Harris, Howard, and the two FRPs is getting close to the best offer Portland will get.

But in any case, I also mentioned like 5 other guards besides Simons for the Magic to chase after with offers. We've actually talked about Collin Sexton even more than Simons this past year. And Coby White just as much since the report linking him and ORL a few months ago. POR needs to pay Simons 20+ mil after the season or let him walk for nothing. Maybe you get one good season out of him and in the very last second of his walk off, you can sign-and-trade for a 1st and expirings from someone else instead of ORL. I think it can very hopefully happen since it seems like sign-and-trades might be needed more in this current CBA.

If the Magic is serious about defense for offense, then we fans should not be thinking about Anthony trades, but rather, trades that focus on Caldwell-Pope, Isaac, and the two FRPs. A deal there for Sexton and Jordan Clarkson makes sense for both teams. In many ways, I think it has better balance than the Simons trade.

Sexton/Black/some-dude
Suggs/Clarkson/Howard
F-Wagner/some-dude/Houstan
Banchero/some-dude/da SIlva
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze

Anthony, the two SRPS and the FA market fill out the clear needs for forwards.
Let's call it bringin in Amir Coffey, Trey Lyles, and Patty Mills.


Sexton/Black/Mills
Suggs/Clarkson/Howard
F-Wagner/Coffey/Houstan
Banchero/Lyles/da SIlva
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze


To quote Mr. Smith, "I like this team."

[JRoy]

Pass from POR. Literally nothing we want; a 5th center, a bust, a disappointing guard POR would let expire and a garbage pick.

POR politely declines, blocks the # and prays for your soul.

I was very greedy with who exactly I wanted back on the Magic roster at the end of these summer transaction ideas for fun. But if you read the paragraph below, I said pieces like KCP, Jonathan Isaac, and a 1st Round Pick are on the board for POR to pick from also. I guess you read it and it also does nothing for you.

But in any case, I also mentioned like 5 other guards besides Simons for the Magic to chase after with offers. We've actually talked about Collin Sexton even more than Simons this past year. And Coby White just as much since the report linking him and ORL a few months ago. POR needs to pay Simons 20+ mil after the season or let him walk for nothing. Maybe you get one good season out of him and in the very last second of his walk off, you can sign-and-trade for a 1st and expirings from someone else instead of ORL. I think it can very hopefully happen since it seems like sign-and-trades might be needed more in this current CBA.

I haven't heard any thing from POR or their fans wanting to sign him to something like 18-26 per for 2-4 years but maybe that's an obvious thing to do that everyone is forgetting.

I don’t want to re-sign him at all. The FO has always been higher on Simons than fans.

[tiderulz]

The Orlando Magic want to enter their new rebrand era with a level of excitement and sky-rocketing trajectory that has not been felt since the Shaq & Penny days. We felt the spark of it from the '23-24 season. The '24-25 season was injury-riddled but flashed it with Paolo and Franz showing superstar moments in the Playoffs. YET AGAIN.
So the Magic, with our Paolo, Franz, and Suggs core of 3 right now, should enter this season with a radically remixed roster. The kind that ignites their team offense, looks for new star power in the draft, and keeps their defense as fierce as always.



Before 6/30/2025 and likely before Draft Night:
#16 Pick,
#25 Pick,
Wendell Carter Jr.
for
#17 Pick,
Naz Reid
*Trade works in Spotrac

The Magic remix WCJ out for a slightly more defensive and better shooting version in Naz Reid. Same wingspan but Naz Reid shows as more agile and nimbler than WCJ in team defensive schemes. Pull up Naz Reid's defensive clips against Nikola Jokic as well, they're shocking. GSW fans label him a Warriors-killer. A popular MIN blog reflecting deep fanbase consensus labels Reid as more important to retain than NAW.
But MIN faces more tax pressure than ORL. And even with little cap space out there, Reid will likely leverage into 20+ per year. Enter WCJ, a 5/4 on a controlled contract under 20 per. Plus two 1st rounders as rookie-scaled contracts for MIN to add to depth or to other deals. Dilingham and #16 or #25 on a big will make them forget about Reid, especially with WCJ as a solid replacement.
For alternatives to Naz Reid, I like Kristaps Porzingis for a similar type of deal (expecting KP's new deal to be under 24 mil per year) and Walker Kessler with recent news of UTA lowering his asking price (although it would cost more trade-wise with a future 1st probably).


Before 6/30/2025 and likely before Draft Night:
Goga Bitadze (2 year contract wildly undervalued to on-court value),
Cole Anthony (expiring youth experiment),
Jett Howard (expiring youth experiment with RFA rights),
#57 Pick,
Cash Considerations,
for
Anfernee Simons
*Trade works in Spotrac

Everyone has talked about this ad nauseam. It's no secret the Magic want to upgrade one of their Guard spots. Even if Suggs and KCP were still the starters, they desperately need a "I can score on my own" Guard with shooting, captain quarterbacking, or both. Suggs should be capped at like 26 MPG in the regular season anyways. Also, you can pull my arm and probably have KCP and JI available over any of those outgoing ORL players above too. It's just my first preference to not lose KCP and JI this summer. Maybe even a lotto-protected 1st can be pulled into it.
But the Magic can also leverage this offer to their advantage exactly because it is so obvious. They can publicize very similar versions of this deal out there for many semi-similar guards. Anfernee Simons, Collin Sexton, Coby White, even Jordan Poole and CJ McCollum and more inbetween. So the urge for a team to grab 1-2 interesting Magic players and a 1st should be strong when you're terrified of paying an expiring guard 20+ per year who is not quite in your own plans.


Draft Night 06/25/2025:
'26 ORL 1st via PHX/WAS (Projected #1-9 pick),
'27 ORL 1st Swap (Unprotected: Projected #18-28 as of today),
'28 ORL 1st (Unprotected: Projected #18-28 as of today),
'30 ORL 1st (Unprotected: Projected #1-14 pick due to unpredictable future and ORL's lack of playoff appearances last 10 years),
Cash Considerations,
#46 Pick,
'26 ORL 2nd via DET,
'28 ORL 2nd via WAS,
'30 ORL 2nd via NOP,
for
#3 from PHI, #4 from CHA, or #5 from UTA with draft rights to Tre Johnson
*Trade works in Spotrac

For me, Tre Johnson is someone who is going to shake up the core of the Magic and soon make it a Core 4. Nothing is more exciting to fans than watching a young star on the rise. He was basically the most elite midrange shooter in college, averaged 4 assists in the last stretch of the season, and had long stretches of shooting 40%+ from 3 and 90%+ from the FT. He is knocked on defense and strength, and yet he is 6'6 as a 1/2 guard and his FTA rate was very high and just kept rising.
I know everyone is saying PHI shouldn't pass up Ace Bailey, from fans to draft experts and team sources, but the smoke right now is saying PHI will take VJ Edgecombe to provide the much needed defensive yin to Maxey and McCain's yang. And PHI doesn't have much reason to play mindgames with Flagg and Harper so incredibly entrenched at #1 and 2. For this reason, Anthony Black's all-defense and upside might have to be included in the offer. Of course we'd be taking two ORL 1st's back out of the offer though, and adding Black gets rid of the strangeness of a Picks only deal with no existing NBA players involved I guess. CHA could be the one to jump on this offer if they don't love Ace Bailey enough too.
For us, I'd rather be bereft of future 1st's for the yin yang balance of Anthony Black next to say Anfernee Simons. And I am terrified of what Black's upside could be too. He could still be a bit of a star player himself.



Your New Orlando Magic:

Tre Johnson / Anfernee Simons / Chris Paul (5 mil BAE)
Jalen Suggs / Kentavious Caldwell-Pope / Anthony Black
Franz Wagner / Nickeil Alexander-Walker (14 mil MLE) / Tristan da Silva
Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac / Rasheer Fleming (#17 Pick)
Naz Reid / Mo Wagner (OUT)

- #17 Pick, 14 mil MLE, 5 mil BAE available for Magic to still use;
My early picks for these are Rasheer Fleming, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and Chris Paul respectively.
- Tre Johnson is listed as a Starter to reflect his fast impact and rising star trajectory. KCP, Simons, or even CP3 may be starting for some or most of the '25-26 season.
- CP3, the Point God, is not just here as a Veteran. He's here to teach Tre, Suggs, Simons, and Black how to THINK and PLAY like a PG. When CP3 retires, he has a "Player Option" to be an Assistant Coach in ORL.
- KCP may not be in the long-term plans if Black keeps progressing upwards, or at least not for any contract above 10 mil per year. But ideally, KCP is still a very impactful 2-way player and starting him this next season may help to limit the new contract hype coming to Simons and Black.

Naz will not use his player option and will be a free agent, wanting a big upgrade in salary as a lot of teams are after him, so that blows trade #1 out of the water as the Magic are not trading all that on a hope and a prayer that he stays. as for #2, if that is all it takes for Simons, do that trade first and then take the lay of the land.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

The michigan connection isnt that strong to warrant a Jordan Poole trade. I rather have Simons all day over Poole.

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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what's the whole farm? Isaac Cole and 16?

[basketballRob]

The michigan connection isnt that strong to warrant a Jordan Poole trade. I rather have Simons all day over Poole.

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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what's the whole farm? Isaac Cole and 16?

Yes. I also think Poole is better. He reminds me of Kyrie when he was an FA. Everyone here didn't want Kyrie because he's was a cancer. Now, no one wants Poole because he made bonehead plays on a tanking team.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=poolejo01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=simonan01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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what's the whole farm? Isaac Cole and 16?

Yes. I also think Poole is better. He reminds me of Kyrie when he was an FA. Everyone here didn't want Kyrie because he's was a cancer. Now, no one wants Poole because he made bonehead plays on a tanking team.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=poolejo01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=simonan01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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my issue with Poole is the money.. that's 31 & 34M and we're not just a Jordan Poole away from contending. I also don't think Poole would come much cheaper even though Washington wants to tank. Poole is the perfect tank commander for them, he'll do the vet things, be the main guy in town and will be fine being shut down for a week or two at a time so the kids can play.

it will all come down to what we have to give up because there's 3-5 guards who are available that are pretty close to each other depending on how you look at things.

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The michigan connection isnt that strong to warrant a Jordan Poole trade. I rather have Simons all day over Poole.

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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That should tell you something.

Why are you assuming he has ANY idea what POR or WAS wants? Every post is delivered with certainty- doesn't mean there is any basis for it.