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Re: [Charania] - Durant’s business partner, Rich Kleiman, are sorting through trade options (HOU, SAS, MIN, MIA, NY)) 

Post#41 » by kalel123 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:42 pm

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kalel123 wrote:Crisis averted! If we were pursuing him, to me, that means Ujiri is getting desperate and entering into Bryan Colangelo last years territory.

Doesn't mean Masai wasn't pursuing him, just that it seems there is little to no chance of KD actually coming here.


Unfortunately, this is true. But I'll give him benefit of doubt here because his track record is much better than Colangelo's and say maybe he didn't pursue him or he pursued him to just gauge if they can get him for cheap. i.e. didn't pursue him too hard.
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Post#42 » by JB7 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:46 pm

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There you go. They want a KD pricetag closer to what they gave up for him even at this age.

It made sense when it was Jak/RJ and other pieces on the team to salary match, but picks (multiple) on top of that is too much.


No one is giving them that

LOL


The Rockets are almost certainly offering Green/jock and some of their picks back at minimum.

Yes, Green sucks, but if they want picks, that's at least one team that's almost certainly offering.


If they trade before the draft, I don't know if they can trade Green with his PPP still in effect. Based on Spotrac, FVV, Eason & Whitmore works for Durant in terms of salary matching, if it is a straight deal with the Rockets. Then it is just about pick(s).
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Post#43 » by TorontoBarneys » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:54 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Good. Get Garland now


What's a competitive offer for Garland?

What do we give up that makes sense for both sides?

IQ+Dick works salary-wise but we'll need to include more.
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Post#44 » by sidsid » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:58 pm

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No one is giving them that

LOL


The Rockets are almost certainly offering Green/jock and some of their picks back at minimum.

Yes, Green sucks, but if they want picks, that's at least one team that's almost certainly offering.


If they trade before the draft, I don't know if they can trade Green with his PPP still in effect. Based on Spotrac, FVV, Eason & Whitmore works for Durant in terms of salary matching, if it is a straight deal with the Rockets. Then it is just about pick(s).


Wrote in other threads, but I get the sense the Fred contract was for the big fish (Giannis or Booker, who are younger). From what we know, they took a pass on Durant at the deadline where they had the Fred contract lined up, and I can only assume it was for that reason.

Now things have changed if both Booker and Giannis are off the table. They gambled and lost. Maybe that's back on the menu, but that sends the Rockets into the tax and we all saw how Green disappointed. If the KD trade happens, I think it'll be to clean up that mess and simply decline Fred's option and sign him to a smaller deal under the tax. They'll be happy to send the picks back if that's the case.
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Post#46 » by ForeverTFC » Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:22 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:Good. Get Garland now


What's a competitive offer for Garland?

What do we give up that makes sense for both sides?

IQ+Dick works salary-wise but we'll need to include more.


Would have to be a three team. They need a wing.
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Post#47 » by Spida888 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:32 pm

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Hopefully we're just kicking tires on things. KD is too old, and an expiring. Not worth giving up assets for.
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Post#48 » by Spida888 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:35 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:Good. Get Garland now


What's a competitive offer for Garland?

What do we give up that makes sense for both sides?

IQ+Dick works salary-wise but we'll need to include more.


Would have to be a three team. They need a wing.

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Post#49 » by MavCarter » Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:36 pm

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There is no feasible way of taking on kds contract without giving up too much. The raps are an easy name for reporters to throw out there because of the whole windy "big fish" thing
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Post#50 » by SpezNc » Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:38 pm

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The fact we aren’t named by Sham probably means we aren’t on Durant’s list . Could be wrong . Only speculating.

If that’s the case and the interest isn’t mutual , pretty hard to see Toronto winning this sweepstake unless we overpaid massively which I don’t think we will or should .
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Post#52 » by Scase » Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:46 pm

The Phoenix Suns are seeking to receive a package for Kevin Durant comparable to what they traded for him, meaning impact players and multiple draft assets.




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Post#53 » by HumbleRen » Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:48 pm

We’re leverage. We are not getting KD nor should we.
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Post#54 » by Raptorfan2012 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:49 pm

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The fact we aren’t named by Sham probably means we aren’t on Durant’s list . Could be wrong . Only speculating.

If that’s the case and the interest isn’t mutual , pretty hard to see Toronto winning this sweepstake unless we overpaid massively which I don’t think we will or should .


Feels like Kawhi all over again - pretty sure Kawhi did not expect to land in Toronto. Then again, I don't think Damien expected to land with the Bucks either until he remembered Giannis was there.
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Post#55 » by Grew » Wed Jun 11, 2025 10:06 pm

Durant always saying Toronto was his fav team growing up, hanging out with drake, saying what a great city Toronto is, but never actually wanting to come here to play doesn't feel right. This whole situation reminds me of when we tried to get ol' ass steve nash. If we had grabbed steve, he would have done next to nothing for us from a competitive standpoint, especially looking towards the future, and he didn't even want to be here. We would have missed out on Kyle and our entire future would have been different. Nash was a free agency thing, but we still would have hooked our franchise to a guy that wasn't worthy of it at the time. Trading a bunch of assets for KD would feel rough, even if it seems he's performing at a much higher level than nash was.

I say let some other team send their future out for a 38 year old. I've always liked Durant, he's a 1/1 type talent. It's just not the move. Something better is around the corner, even if it's just drafting well and internal growth. I don't think we win a chip with KD at this point in his career, especially with what the suns are going to want to take from us.
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Post#56 » by Tacoma » Wed Jun 11, 2025 10:14 pm

kalel123 wrote:
Scase wrote:
kalel123 wrote:Crisis averted! If we were pursuing him, to me, that means Ujiri is getting desperate and entering into Bryan Colangelo last years territory.

Doesn't mean Masai wasn't pursuing him, just that it seems there is little to no chance of KD actually coming here.


Unfortunately, this is true. But I'll give him benefit of doubt here because his track record is much better than Colangelo's and say maybe he didn't pursue him or he pursued him to just gauge if they can get him for cheap. i.e. didn't pursue him too hard.


Masai definitely has had a better record during his overall tenure here compared to Colangelo's tenure. However, criticism of Masai has been his performance over the past 5 seasons that has resulted in a lowly 0.428 winning % which is about equal to Colangelo's 0.430 winning %. Also, Colangelo made the playoffs 2x in 7 seasons (29% of time) vs. Masai making the playoffs 1x in past 5 seasons (20% of time).

So Masai's record has not been better in either the regular season nor in terms of making the playoffs over the past 5 seasons.
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Post#57 » by dagger » Wed Jun 11, 2025 10:19 pm

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RapsFanInOhio wrote:Definitely notable we weren’t included in that list. I’ve grown to like KD, but think Giannis or standing pat are better options.

Windhorst already said Giannis is staying put in Milwaukee. He doesn't want to leave. Durant was the only other star that had some links to us but looks like that's also not happening. I've always believed Masai would just draft whoever he gets at 9 and 39 and see how the team performs this season. Still a chance we do a trade to balance the team a bit, but I see that more at the trade deadline. He wants to give the team a chance.


I think this is still the likely scenario, but I also feel a trade is likely this summer, not for a superstar (that market is thin and finicky) but to improve the fit. Whom we draft might have a bearing on this as well.
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Post#58 » by Zeno » Wed Jun 11, 2025 10:23 pm

Our front office just doing research, that is it.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

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Post#59 » by ForeverTFC » Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:26 pm

Tacoma wrote:
kalel123 wrote:
Scase wrote:Doesn't mean Masai wasn't pursuing him, just that it seems there is little to no chance of KD actually coming here.


Unfortunately, this is true. But I'll give him benefit of doubt here because his track record is much better than Colangelo's and say maybe he didn't pursue him or he pursued him to just gauge if they can get him for cheap. i.e. didn't pursue him too hard.


Masai definitely has had a better record during his overall tenure here compared to Colangelo's tenure. However, criticism of Masai has been his performance over the past 5 seasons that has resulted in a lowly 0.428 winning % which is about equal to Colangelo's 0.430 winning %. Also, Colangelo made the playoffs 2x in 7 seasons (29% of time) vs. Masai making the playoffs 1x in past 5 seasons (20% of time).

So Masai's record has not been better in either the regular season nor in terms of making the playoffs over the past 5 seasons.


Masai tanked for 50% of this 5 year timeline. Colangelo was trying to win the whole time. This is a very lazy argument.
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Post#60 » by Tripod » Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:50 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
Tacoma wrote:
kalel123 wrote:
Unfortunately, this is true. But I'll give him benefit of doubt here because his track record is much better than Colangelo's and say maybe he didn't pursue him or he pursued him to just gauge if they can get him for cheap. i.e. didn't pursue him too hard.


Masai definitely has had a better record during his overall tenure here compared to Colangelo's tenure. However, criticism of Masai has been his performance over the past 5 seasons that has resulted in a lowly 0.428 winning % which is about equal to Colangelo's 0.430 winning %. Also, Colangelo made the playoffs 2x in 7 seasons (29% of time) vs. Masai making the playoffs 1x in past 5 seasons (20% of time).

So Masai's record has not been better in either the regular season nor in terms of making the playoffs over the past 5 seasons.


Masai tanked for 50% of this 5 year timeline. Colangelo was trying to win the whole time. This is a very lazy argument.

And had a whole season with zero home games during a pandemic.

That's unprecedented

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