The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[thamadkant]

Fans here need to realize that Knicks just paid 5 first rounders for Mikal.

Suns traded Mikal, Cam and 7 first rounders for KD just 3 years ago. KD is older but his numbers have remained the same or similar especially now that he sharing scoring with Booker and they actually clash game style wise.

KD is still a high 20s, maybe 27ppg as first option scorer with efficient shooting splits. In fact, I think KD could score just under 30 a game if the Spurs system utilise him better.
The Spurs fit is excellent for KD because Fox will not clash with him and Wemby is a either a finisher or a 3pt stretch big depending on matchup.

So Suns asking for atleast 5 first rounders is actually not crazy consider KD also brings in audience, merchandising sales and media coverage. He boost the team not just on court but off court too.

[BobbieL]

Fans here need to realize that Knicks just paid 5 first rounders for Mikal.

Suns traded Mikal, Cam and 7 first rounders for KD just 3 years ago. KD is older but his numbers have remained the same or similar especially now that he sharing scoring with Booker and they actually clash game style wise.

KD is still a high 20s, maybe 27ppg as first option scorer with efficient shooting splits. In fact, I think KD could score just under 30 a game if the Spurs system utilise him better.
The Spurs fit is excellent for KD because Fox will not clash with him and Wemby is a either a finisher or a 3pt stretch big depending on matchup.

So Suns asking for atleast 5 first rounders is actually not crazy consider KD also brings in audience, merchandising sales and media coverage. He boost the team not just on court but off court too.

Of course they should ask. They should ask for Castle

Just not sure they will get close to it.

[thamadkant]

Fans here need to realize that Knicks just paid 5 first rounders for Mikal.

Suns traded Mikal, Cam and 7 first rounders for KD just 3 years ago. KD is older but his numbers have remained the same or similar especially now that he sharing scoring with Booker and they actually clash game style wise.

KD is still a high 20s, maybe 27ppg as first option scorer with efficient shooting splits. In fact, I think KD could score just under 30 a game if the Spurs system utilise him better.
The Spurs fit is excellent for KD because Fox will not clash with him and Wemby is a either a finisher or a 3pt stretch big depending on matchup.

So Suns asking for atleast 5 first rounders is actually not crazy consider KD also brings in audience, merchandising sales and media coverage. He boost the team not just on court but off court too.

Of course they should ask. They should ask for Castle

Just not sure they will get close to it.

Because Spurs have the best Sporting Front Office in the world.

They are very organised, very good in managing the franchise, assessing players and constructing cultures.


Spurs wouldn't because they are a smart and frugal team.

Hence, Suns should actually do a deal with a team with much worse Front offices and those who are similar to Ishiba.

[Blonde]

I’m going to need a moratorium on Evan Sidery posts until the offseason is over. Or preferably forever.

[Rebound Mound]

If the Suns truly intend on retooling around Booker, I think the most obvious choice is to trade KD for KAT. The Suns were seeking a big that could distribute the ball, bring the ball up the court, and shoot 3s, and KAT can do all of that. I think having a big like KAT makes it easier to play Oso as well.

Not the best big in the game, but one of the best. Certainly one of the top three now in the league. If Embiid does not play, I just see Jokic above him. I do not think the Knicks would do that.
KAT needs a player like Anounoby besides for him to excel, as he is a little bit soft sometimes. It seems like he is tough, because he likes to bang in the low post, but then he is soft in the def end.

Retool with Booker, KAT, Dunn, Oso, Plumlee, Allen, Bol and then Bitadze for Beal and a PG would be great.

I'm not down on KAT at all, but I don't see how he changes the dynamic of this team and I can't see us competing with a Booker/KAT core. I could see the right group of guys making it work around Booker if many dominoes fall into place, but that requires dominoes - that is, young players breaking out, draft picks hitting, that kind of thing. Just subbing one great offensive talent for KD and rotating mediocre veterans won't change anything.

I am not implying that Booker is better than Brunson, because he has not the capacity Brunson has to create for others. Also is well surrounded by workers such as Bridges and Hart and OG.
But with the right PF and right SF and PG, that DUO would be as difficult to defend as Brunson and the same KAT, obviously.

[BobbieL]

Fans here need to realize that Knicks just paid 5 first rounders for Mikal.

Suns traded Mikal, Cam and 7 first rounders for KD just 3 years ago. KD is older but his numbers have remained the same or similar especially now that he sharing scoring with Booker and they actually clash game style wise.

KD is still a high 20s, maybe 27ppg as first option scorer with efficient shooting splits. In fact, I think KD could score just under 30 a game if the Spurs system utilise him better.
The Spurs fit is excellent for KD because Fox will not clash with him and Wemby is a either a finisher or a 3pt stretch big depending on matchup.

So Suns asking for atleast 5 first rounders is actually not crazy consider KD also brings in audience, merchandising sales and media coverage. He boost the team not just on court but off court too.

Of course they should ask. They should ask for Castle

Just not sure they will get close to it.

Because Spurs have the best Sporting Front Office in the world.

They are very organised, very good in managing the franchise, assessing players and constructing cultures.


Spurs wouldn't because they are a smart and frugal team.

Hence, Suns should actually do a deal with a team with much worse Front offices and those who are similar to Ishiba.

All very true

Knicks might be desperate
Twolves -- their GM is pretty good but they might be eager but they aren't a good trade partner

Maybe part of it is where does KD want to truly play as well and who is giving him the $120m extension

[TeamTragic]

Of course they should ask. They should ask for Castle

Just not sure they will get close to it.

Because Spurs have the best Sporting Front Office in the world.

They are very organised, very good in managing the franchise, assessing players and constructing cultures.


Spurs wouldn't because they are a smart and frugal team.

Hence, Suns should actually do a deal with a team with much worse Front offices and those who are similar to Ishiba.

All very true

Knicks might be desperate
Twolves -- their GM is pretty good but they might be eager but they aren't a good trade partner

Maybe part of it is where does KD want to truly play as well and who is giving him the $120m extension

Knicks are out. They have nothing to offer.

[BobbieL]

Because Spurs have the best Sporting Front Office in the world.

They are very organised, very good in managing the franchise, assessing players and constructing cultures.


Spurs wouldn't because they are a smart and frugal team.

Hence, Suns should actually do a deal with a team with much worse Front offices and those who are similar to Ishiba.

All very true

Knicks might be desperate
Twolves -- their GM is pretty good but they might be eager but they aren't a good trade partner

Maybe part of it is where does KD want to truly play as well and who is giving him the $120m extension

Knicks are out. They have nothing to offer.

Shams said they are one of the five teams interested - among others.

Twolves should be out if the Knicks are out - NYK has more to offer than Minnesota

EdIT: Just saw the NYPost report the Knicks are out -

[lilfishi22]

Shams just said on McAfee, that KD is the "biggest domino on the market" he also named 6 teams and he expects therre will be a couple of wildcards...

Yah. Not worried that we will get some crap offer.

We don't know how serious those 6 teams are. Maybe there's a few that are and maybe none are willing to significantly overpay to get KD. If 5 teams are offering crap and one is offering something decent, then it won't be some bidding war spectacle we were hoping for.

And there's also the KD factor of him being able to influence where he goes which could force some teams to lower their offers if he doesn't want to go there.

The more the merrier in a buyer's market for a seller but I would hold back my optimism until we find out just how interested these teams are when solid talks about packages are being discussed.

[TeamTragic]

All very true

Knicks might be desperate
Twolves -- their GM is pretty good but they might be eager but they aren't a good trade partner

Maybe part of it is where does KD want to truly play as well and who is giving him the $120m extension

Knicks are out. They have nothing to offer.

Shams said they are one of the five teams interested - among others.

Twolves should be out if the Knicks are out - NYK has more to offer than Minnesota

NYP said Knicks are out. As I said they have nothing to offer.

[Fo-Real]

Read on Twitter

And I'm intrigued by the idea of what it could be like to date a supermodel or win the Powerball! Too bad for them if they get too clever about things.

We absolutely should not accept Julius Randle ever!! Not sold on Gobert either. Minny has nothing to give unless a 3rd team wants to get involved.

[BobbieL]

Knicks are out. They have nothing to offer.

Shams said they are one of the five teams interested - among others.

Twolves should be out if the Knicks are out - NYK has more to offer than Minnesota

NYP said Knicks are out. As I said they have nothing to offer.

Got it about the Knicks - and yes, KAT is not a good trade piece for Durant

Houston is still the team - if the Suns can get back a couple of their picks - that I like the best for the Suns

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

And I'm intrigued by the idea of what it could be like to date a supermodel or win the Powerball! Too bad for them if they get too clever about things.

We absolutely should not accept Julius Randle ever!! Not sold on Gobert either. Minny has nothing to give unless a 3rd team wants to get involved.

McDaniels Donte and Dilligham, plus the 17th pick.,

Period

[TeamTragic]

Read on Twitter

And I'm intrigued by the idea of what it could be like to date a supermodel or win the Powerball! Too bad for them if they get too clever about things.

We absolutely should not accept Julius Randle ever!! Not sold on Gobert either. Minny has nothing to give unless a 3rd team wants to get involved.

McDaniels Donte and Dilligham, plus the 17th pick.,

Period

I guess it depends on Ant. That would be a killer offer.

[Jesus_H_Macy]

Read on Twitter

And I'm intrigued by the idea of what it could be like to date a supermodel or win the Powerball! Too bad for them if they get too clever about things.

We absolutely should not accept Julius Randle ever!! Not sold on Gobert either. Minny has nothing to give unless a 3rd team wants to get involved.

No knuckleheads. No bad defenders. No bad attitudes. No no-hustlers. Suns need to purge any of that remaining from the team and refuse to take any of it on from this point.

[Frank Lee]

Interest does not mean ability

[BobbieL]

We absolutely should not accept Julius Randle ever!! Not sold on Gobert either. Minny has nothing to give unless a 3rd team wants to get involved.

McDaniels Donte and Dilligham, plus the 17th pick.,

Period

I guess it depends on Ant. That would be a killer offer.

Yes, I am kind of relying on Ant to push hard for KD and with Gobert being older, they can bring back Reid and Randle -- might be light at PG - but oh well. If the Twolves are pushing hard for Durant with their window - who knows

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Fans here need to realize that Knicks just paid 5 first rounders for Mikal.

Suns traded Mikal, Cam and 7 first rounders for KD just 3 years ago. KD is older but his numbers have remained the same or similar especially now that he sharing scoring with Booker and they actually clash game style wise.

KD is still a high 20s, maybe 27ppg as first option scorer with efficient shooting splits. In fact, I think KD could score just under 30 a game if the Spurs system utilise him better.
The Spurs fit is excellent for KD because Fox will not clash with him and Wemby is a either a finisher or a 3pt stretch big depending on matchup.

So Suns asking for atleast 5 first rounders is actually not crazy consider KD also brings in audience, merchandising sales and media coverage. He boost the team not just on court but off court too.

KD had been out for much of the season before we traded for him, and the achilles injury was more recent. There was a legitimate question about his durability.

And for what it's worth, I think he's answered that question these last two years in Phoenix. If you're looking to win over the next two seasons, who's a better bet: KD, Zion or Ja?

If a team wants to win now, then... yeah. Perhaps his value isn't that much less than it was when we traded for him. Durant will win you more games for you in two seasons than Mikal will win for you in four.

I think there are a ton of teams that can offer the equivalent of Mikal and Cam Jo (Barrett & Poeltl, Vassell & Sochan, Jabari Smith & Cam Whitmore, Dillingham & Gobert, Vazquez & Ware...). We'd just get fewer draft picks coming back, so maybe... someone throw us some swaps?

We mortgaged our future for Durant. We can't unmortgage him, but perhaps another team is willing to take out a mortgage. Durant will play the game until he can't.

[lilfishi22]

Read on Twitter

And I'm intrigued by the idea of what it could be like to date a supermodel or win the Powerball! Too bad for them if they get too clever about things.

We absolutely should not accept Julius Randle ever!! Not sold on Gobert either. Minny has nothing to give unless a 3rd team wants to get involved.

McDaniels Donte and Dilligham, plus the 17th pick.,

Period

Maybe asking for too much but I'd ask for an additional future first or a swap.

Interesting enough, as part of the Dillingham trade with the Spurs, the Spurs has the rights to swap for the best of Minny's (#1 protected) or Dallas's 2030 pick. Spurs also outright own Minny's 2031 FRP.

[Slim Charless]

All very true

Knicks might be desperate
Twolves -- their GM is pretty good but they might be eager but they aren't a good trade partner

Maybe part of it is where does KD want to truly play as well and who is giving him the $120m extension

Knicks are out. They have nothing to offer.

Shams said they are one of the five teams interested - among others.

Twolves should be out if the Knicks are out - NYK has more to offer than Minnesota

EdIT: Just saw the NYPost report the Knicks are out -

Until the Knicks hire a coach, I don't think the Post or anyone else can say what they do or do not want.

Post is usually inaccurate anyways I think, they're almost a tabloid newspaper IMO.