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2025 NBA Draft

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Post#2001 » by drsd » Wed Jun 11, 2025 1:32 pm

VFX wrote:You arent drafting these guys for what they are going to do in 6 months. You are drafting them for what they provide for the next 4 years for 10x less the price and ongoing future rather than the scrubs I just listed.


If the Magic keep these picks (or one pick), it is critical to remember that talent trumps all other considerations.

For example: a team should draft Joan Beringer over Thomas Sorber. Yes Sober has a higher floor, but Beringer has a higher ceiling.
So: 16 for Beringer.

At 25, I do think Walter Clayton needs a clear look see. This is not a floor/ceiling conversation. At 25 the question is, "can the player in time be a rotational bench player". Clayton will be at least as competent as Anthony. And could be "the next Jameer Nelson". Will Clayton be a start? No. Will he have a 5-10 year NBA career? Yes.

....


But to the depth argument, we cannot forget that the Magic has two SRPs. A trade for Johnny Furphy makes a lot of sense here. The Pacers has a lot of positions to fill next year, and Furphy is not really a fit. He looks set to be a better version of Houstan and is a real upside guy. Maybe the Magic's two SRPs and a 2027 SRP for Furphy.
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Post#2002 » by OrlandoNed » Wed Jun 11, 2025 1:39 pm

KillMonger wrote:is there a Courtney Lee in this draft for us?

Walter Clayton.

He's exactly what we need. An immediate contributor, a high volume threat from deep on and off the ball, a playmaker, intangibles.

He is the perfect fit for us. Call me a homer but he's gonna be special.
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Post#2003 » by VFX » Wed Jun 11, 2025 1:56 pm

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VFX wrote:You arent drafting these guys for what they are going to do in 6 months. You are drafting them for what they provide for the next 4 years for 10x less the price and ongoing future rather than the scrubs I just listed.


If the Magic keep these picks (or one pick), it is critical to remember that talent trumps all other considerations.

For example: a team should draft Joan Beringer over Thomas Sorber. Yes Sober has a higher floor, but Beringer has a higher ceiling.
So: 16 for Beringer.

At 25, I do think Walter Clayton needs a clear look see. This is not a floor/ceiling conversation. At 25 the question is, "can the player in time be a rotational bench player". Clayton will be at least as competent as Anthony. And could be "the next Jameer Nelson". Will Clayton be a start? No. Will he have a 5-10 year NBA career? Yes.

....


But to the depth argument, we cannot forget that the Magic has two SRPs. A trade for Johnny Furphy makes a lot of sense here. The Pacers has a lot of positions to fill next year, and Furphy is not really a fit. He looks set to be a better version of Houstan and is a real upside guy. Maybe the Magic's two SRPs and a 2027 SRP for Furphy.


Yeah I don’t think Orlando is going to walk away from this draft with 3-4 players. Maybe they take 1-2.

The smoke right now is that they can package Isaac, Cole, and a first round pick for someone.

The other smoke coming out is that they also want to move up in the draft. Meaning that they like a specific player they think is currently out of their range.

Either way, they probably walk away with 2 guys out of 4 picks is my complete guess… which is good considering the bill for this team is about to get really steep and they need to fill out the rest of the roster with players that cost 1-3m and not 10-15m.

Trading for Furphy is fine, but he’s ultimately a wing that will never break into the starting lineup here. Not only that, but he is going to get paid 2 years sooner than whoever they select with picks.
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Post#2004 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Jun 11, 2025 2:39 pm

VFX wrote:
drsd wrote:
VFX wrote:You arent drafting these guys for what they are going to do in 6 months. You are drafting them for what they provide for the next 4 years for 10x less the price and ongoing future rather than the scrubs I just listed.


If the Magic keep these picks (or one pick), it is critical to remember that talent trumps all other considerations.

For example: a team should draft Joan Beringer over Thomas Sorber. Yes Sober has a higher floor, but Beringer has a higher ceiling.
So: 16 for Beringer.

At 25, I do think Walter Clayton needs a clear look see. This is not a floor/ceiling conversation. At 25 the question is, "can the player in time be a rotational bench player". Clayton will be at least as competent as Anthony. And could be "the next Jameer Nelson". Will Clayton be a start? No. Will he have a 5-10 year NBA career? Yes.

....


But to the depth argument, we cannot forget that the Magic has two SRPs. A trade for Johnny Furphy makes a lot of sense here. The Pacers has a lot of positions to fill next year, and Furphy is not really a fit. He looks set to be a better version of Houstan and is a real upside guy. Maybe the Magic's two SRPs and a 2027 SRP for Furphy.


Yeah I don’t think Orlando is going to walk away from this draft with 3-4 players. Maybe they take 1-2.

The smoke right now is that they can package Isaac, Cole, and a first round pick for someone.

The other smoke coming out is that they also want to move up in the draft. Meaning that they like a specific player they think is currently out of their range.

Either way, they probably walk away with 2 guys out of 4 picks is my complete guess… which is good considering the bill for this team is about to get really steep and they need to fill out the rest of the roster with players that cost 1-3m and not 10-15m.

Trading for Furphy is fine, but he’s ultimately a wing that will never break into the starting lineup here. Not only that, but he is going to get paid 2 years sooner than whoever they select with picks.


It's last call at the bar and checks are about to come due. Whatever we bring home here, is likely what we are stuck with for the remainder of salary cap hell run.
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Post#2005 » by The Effect » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:24 pm

Knightro wrote:
The Effect wrote:
Knightro wrote:
I would argue that the 2nd round pick strategy is *very* likely to change moving forward given how top heavy the roster is about to be financially.

They're going to need cheap players to fill out the bottom of the roster very soon.


Doubtful, we've always had space for good cheap young talent with potential and weham proved time and time again they would rather sell the draft picks and then sign guys like admiral or Iggy or other league min scrubs they can find

They refuse to scout past the top 15-20 and instead would rather put a few bucks on the owners pockets and then enjoy their vacation til the season starts


It’s not at all about roster space though. It’s all about finances moving forward. The Magic are going to be a luxury tax team for the first time in a very long time.

Indirectly, you’re actually kind of making my point for me here,

The Magic aren’t going to have the 14th and 15th guys on the roster as veterans making $3.5 million dollars when they could have those roster spots being 2nd round picks making $1.2 million dollars.

That 4.6M difference may not seem like a lot, but it is when each dollar over the tax eventually starts getting compounded.


Actually, I think YOU just proved my point for me :lol:

Pretty sure guys like iggy and admiral were originally signed for league min, $500-600k type deals
They might of been re-signed later for more, but originally they were brought in for peanuts (relatively speaking obviously, pretty sure we would all love to be making 600k a year :lol: )

So looking at admiral, he was signed during the 21-22 season originally, earlier that year we had the 33rd pick in the draft and sold it to the clippers who used it on Jason Preston.
Admiral was signed as a 2way player for the remainder of the year for 200k and then 500k the next year, much less than the 33rd pick in the draft (preston), who made $1.1m and $1.6m over those 2 years.

So if we are going just based off money, it seems that the most likely scenario for us NOW would be to continue to punt 2nd rounders (and late firsts) and sign more udfa types off the street for pennies instead of signing these draft picks, especially the first rounders with their guaranteed deals.

Like looking at our Den pick this year, 25th overall, last year the 25th pick signed a 4 year 13m deal......do you think Weltman is really gonna bring in a rookie at that price or do you think he would rather sign a guy like Colin Castleton (michigan and florida man, seems perfect lol) off free agency for 2way\league min money and save the cap space to play basically the same amount of minutes?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#2006 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:50 pm

The Effect wrote:Actually, I think YOU just proved my point for me :lol:


The league minimum is based on how many years of experience a player has, not whether or not he was a 2nd round pick or an undrafted free agent for what it's worth.

So a 2nd round pick and an UDFA would, theoretically, make the same amount of money if they were signed in the summer.

Note: a lot of teams offer 2nd round picks a bit more than the minimum in an effort to get them to agree to longer cheap contracts.
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Post#2007 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:12 pm

KillMonger wrote:is there a Courtney Lee in this draft for us?


Im kinda hoping for a MArcin Gortat..
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Post#2008 » by Bensational » Wed Jun 11, 2025 10:55 pm

dsg2021 wrote:Tre Johnson has near identical stats to a Steph Curry’s rookie college season. Difference was Tre was in a harder conference and Steph was able to be a tiny bit more efficient. Steph was not a PG for two college seasons. Steph didn’t even have a quick transition into the NBA either. I was hyper-following the entire league in one of his early seasons and GSW was a coin flip away from keeping Monta Ellis over a young and injury prone Steph Curry. Tre Johnson doesn’t have to study Devin Booker only or be compared to Tyler Herro. He can study Steph Curry and grow into it with ORL because we have no playmaking or offense there to even begin with. It doesn’t get much more of a confidence boosting training ground than that. Do we really think the ‘26 PHX 1st will end up top 4 and a better talent/fit than Tre? Because that gets us into the door for the top 3-6 pick trades into him.


I've been thinking about Tre Johnson and watching a lot more of his clips since you made this post. I'm not sure I'm with the Curry-comp, but I've really warmed to Tre being my favourite prospect and trade up target. That shooting is electric. Main problem I have is imagining his fit with the current core and the stated "all-in" goal. Tre wouldn't address the starter's need for a PG upgrade, though he'd obviously help a lot with shooting. But then where does he fit in the shot hierarchy? #3 option? Or, the Magic could bring him off the bench as Cole's replacement as the bench scoring spark plug. If his playmaking improves perhaps he can join the starters in a couple seasons, or thrive as the #1 option with the 2nd unit? I like that option.

If the team could add a guy like Tre who could become a top 3 scorer for the team over the next 4 years whilst on a rookie scale contract then that would be some elite cap use.
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Post#2009 » by RookieStar » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:31 am

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dsg2021 wrote:Tre Johnson has near identical stats to a Steph Curry’s rookie college season. Difference was Tre was in a harder conference and Steph was able to be a tiny bit more efficient. Steph was not a PG for two college seasons. Steph didn’t even have a quick transition into the NBA either. I was hyper-following the entire league in one of his early seasons and GSW was a coin flip away from keeping Monta Ellis over a young and injury prone Steph Curry. Tre Johnson doesn’t have to study Devin Booker only or be compared to Tyler Herro. He can study Steph Curry and grow into it with ORL because we have no playmaking or offense there to even begin with. It doesn’t get much more of a confidence boosting training ground than that. Do we really think the ‘26 PHX 1st will end up top 4 and a better talent/fit than Tre? Because that gets us into the door for the top 3-6 pick trades into him.


I've been thinking about Tre Johnson and watching a lot more of his clips since you made this post. I'm not sure I'm with the Curry-comp, but I've really warmed to Tre being my favourite prospect and trade up target. That shooting is electric. Main problem I have is imagining his fit with the current core and the stated "all-in" goal. Tre wouldn't address the starter's need for a PG upgrade, though he'd obviously help a lot with shooting. But then where does he fit in the shot hierarchy? #3 option? Or, the Magic could bring him off the bench as Cole's replacement as the bench scoring spark plug. If his playmaking improves perhaps he can join the starters in a couple seasons, or thrive as the #1 option with the 2nd unit? I like that option.

If the team could add a guy like Tre who could become a top 3 scorer for the team over the next 4 years whilst on a rookie scale contract then that would be some elite cap use.


Great minds think alike. Lol aside from Flagg... Tre is the one i like most in the next tier after Flagg.

Too bad i think Tre is gonna be top 4 at the least... too rich for our assets unless we gut our top 3
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Post#2010 » by dsg2021 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:39 am

Bensational wrote:
dsg2021 wrote:Tre Johnson has near identical stats to a Steph Curry’s rookie college season. Difference was Tre was in a harder conference and Steph was able to be a tiny bit more efficient. Steph was not a PG for two college seasons. Steph didn’t even have a quick transition into the NBA either. I was hyper-following the entire league in one of his early seasons and GSW was a coin flip away from keeping Monta Ellis over a young and injury prone Steph Curry. Tre Johnson doesn’t have to study Devin Booker only or be compared to Tyler Herro. He can study Steph Curry and grow into it with ORL because we have no playmaking or offense there to even begin with. It doesn’t get much more of a confidence boosting training ground than that. Do we really think the ‘26 PHX 1st will end up top 4 and a better talent/fit than Tre? Because that gets us into the door for the top 3-6 pick trades into him.


I've been thinking about Tre Johnson and watching a lot more of his clips since you made this post. I'm not sure I'm with the Curry-comp, but I've really warmed to Tre being my favourite prospect and trade up target. That shooting is electric. Main problem I have is imagining his fit with the current core and the stated "all-in" goal. Tre wouldn't address the starter's need for a PG upgrade, though he'd obviously help a lot with shooting. But then where does he fit in the shot hierarchy? #3 option? Or, the Magic could bring him off the bench as Cole's replacement as the bench scoring spark plug. If his playmaking improves perhaps he can join the starters in a couple seasons, or thrive as the #1 option with the 2nd unit? I like that option.

If the team could add a guy like Tre who could become a top 3 scorer for the team over the next 4 years whilst on a rookie scale contract then that would be some elite cap use.


Yes, I've been desperate for some elite cap space use through the years - via a rookie scaled contract and 1st extension deal. I had a deeper dive post on him many pages back as well, and something I mentioned was that Tre was averaging near 4 APG in his last 12 games or so. He did not wilt in the tournament or closest games either, he played up to the challenge instead.

I think a confidence-boosting environment, and a huge-fit-needed add, is where some of these top 5-10 picks (or any draft steal beyond top 10 picks) can really thrive and just find their ceilings more easily. I really wanted Luka in his draft because his worst case was Hedo Turkoglu. I really wanted SGA and Haliburton because the fit was really needed and virtually every box was ticked. (These are players who were traded for in the draft or were around 11th in the draft and traded in their early careers.) I've added Tre to that list now of 'must-get' after nearly adding Cade Cunningham to it in-between, because Tre's worst case to me is Anfernee Simons on a rookie scaled deal. Except in ORL, that worst case would already be a god send and keep propelling him forward.

While I love his worst case scenarios today, I think within 2-4 seasons he ends up being a #2-3 option on the team behind only Paolo. He is unselfish and doesn't need to outscore Franz and others on many nights. He will need to focus on defense and playmaking too. If his playmaking hasn't improved beyond Franz's after a few seasons, he may be more of a #3 option. Even as a #2 leading scorer someday, he probably won't be on Franz's 2-way value. His super star potential will be in like mimic'ing Steph Curry (he can get 5 APG in no-PG ORL this year and start that path) and the two players he has said to study the most; Kevin Durant and then Devin Booker more recently.

Don't be deceived by Tre's FG% either, he was like the most elite mid range shooter. His FG% is actually elite midrange shooting %'s. And his shot chart was insanity. There was no rhyme or reason to the hot shooting, no one side to take away from him, no predicting his hot spots.
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Post#2011 » by Idiosyncratic » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:08 am

Bensational wrote:
dsg2021 wrote:Tre Johnson has near identical stats to a Steph Curry’s rookie college season. Difference was Tre was in a harder conference and Steph was able to be a tiny bit more efficient. Steph was not a PG for two college seasons. Steph didn’t even have a quick transition into the NBA either. I was hyper-following the entire league in one of his early seasons and GSW was a coin flip away from keeping Monta Ellis over a young and injury prone Steph Curry. Tre Johnson doesn’t have to study Devin Booker only or be compared to Tyler Herro. He can study Steph Curry and grow into it with ORL because we have no playmaking or offense there to even begin with. It doesn’t get much more of a confidence boosting training ground than that. Do we really think the ‘26 PHX 1st will end up top 4 and a better talent/fit than Tre? Because that gets us into the door for the top 3-6 pick trades into him.


I've been thinking about Tre Johnson and watching a lot more of his clips since you made this post. I'm not sure I'm with the Curry-comp, but I've really warmed to Tre being my favourite prospect and trade up target. That shooting is electric. Main problem I have is imagining his fit with the current core and the stated "all-in" goal. Tre wouldn't address the starter's need for a PG upgrade, though he'd obviously help a lot with shooting. But then where does he fit in the shot hierarchy? #3 option? Or, the Magic could bring him off the bench as Cole's replacement as the bench scoring spark plug. If his playmaking improves perhaps he can join the starters in a couple seasons, or thrive as the #1 option with the 2nd unit? I like that option.

If the team could add a guy like Tre who could become a top 3 scorer for the team over the next 4 years whilst on a rookie scale contract then that would be some elite cap use.


I have Tre 3rd on my board, think he is a better passer than people give credit and his length will lead to solid defense down the line. I just don't think there is any avenue to trading up and taking him so I haven't considered the possibility at all.

Would be trading several picks for a guy who can still fail regardless of how much we like him and at that point just trade for a proven star. (Unless he starts slipping like crazy of course)
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Post#2012 » by Bensational » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:34 am

Idiosyncratic wrote:Would be trading several picks for a guy who can still fail regardless of how much we like him and at that point just trade for a proven star.


Exactly. But… what if a proven star can be picked up for cheap along the way and we get the best of both worlds?

I’m absolutely certain some good players will be moved for a bag of chips this summer. There’s also guys like Brogdon and D’Lo available in FA.

Edit - if Philly decide to take him and move McCain I’d throw a sizeable offer at McCain. He’s easily one of my favourite prospects in the league and semi-proven.
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Post#2013 » by RichCollab » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:54 am

We need Traone but he won’t help much next season.

He is a true creator.

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Post#2014 » by OrlandoDream » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:15 am

Its gonna be hilarious when we end up trading both picks.
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Post#2015 » by Idiosyncratic » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:41 am

OrlandoDream wrote:Its gonna be hilarious when we end up trading both picks.


For a guy that should cost 1, but they have to add an extra to dump a bad contract signed just last offseason. Would be perfect full circle moment for Weltman. I am hoping that doesn't happen, but for some reason I am starting to feel pessimistic.
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Post#2016 » by thelead » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:53 am

Idiosyncratic wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:Its gonna be hilarious when we end up trading both picks.


For a guy that should cost 1, but they have to add an extra to dump a bad contract signed just last offseason. Would be perfect full circle moment for Weltman. I am hoping that doesn't happen, but for some reason I am starting to feel pessimistic.

If he felt other teams were trying to squeeze him at the deadline, I wonder how he's going to feel about them when they now know he's under pressure after a failed season...
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Post#2017 » by RookieStar » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:19 am

Bensational wrote:
Idiosyncratic wrote:Would be trading several picks for a guy who can still fail regardless of how much we like him and at that point just trade for a proven star.


Exactly. But… what if a proven star can be picked up for cheap along the way and we get the best of both worlds?

I’m absolutely certain some good players will be moved for a bag of chips this summer. There’s also guys like Brogdon and D’Lo available in FA.

Edit - if Philly decide to take him and move McCain I’d throw a sizeable offer at McCain. He’s easily one of my favourite prospects in the league and semi-proven.


Why? Maxey Mccain and Tre... i think they can work it out as the starting 1-2-3 especially with PG reportedly on his way out...
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Post#2018 » by fendilim » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:28 am

RichCollab wrote:We need Traone but he won’t help much next season.

He is a true creator.


We need him then. The league is going this direction.
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Post#2019 » by Bensational » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:33 am

RookieStar wrote:
Bensational wrote:Why? Maxey Mccain and Tre... i think they can work it out as the starting 1-2-3 especially with PG reportedly on his way out...


True, I forget Tre is 6’6 and could play the 3. Damn, that backcourt/wing combo could be pretty amazing. A lot of big shot takers and makers.

I would’ve thought it’d cost them the 3 to offload PG though? 3 and PG to move down to 8?
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Post#2020 » by drsd » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:41 am

VFX wrote:Yeah I don’t think Orlando is going to walk away from this draft with 3-4 players. Maybe they take 1-2.


The Magic needs either 0 or 1 rookie, and no more.

That said, if the 2RPs are about creating an Osceola dream-team, fine. The Magic's two-way roster needs to be more developmental in nature, anyhow.

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