2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Negrodamus]

Sad that after all these years you're still hating on Maxey. And I thought you were a McCain backer.

You don't agree that Maxey, Grimes and McCain will all be better than VJ next year?

I’m not going to help you critical thinking. If you think Grimes is some cornerstone of this franchise, I can’t help you. Yea, he’ll play more immediately because he’s a veteran. If Edgecombe surpasses him, then we launch him out of the building.

I’m not sure VJ will ever be as good as Grimes. He has a long way to go offensively to compare with what Grimes showed last season.

Got it, you don’t like VJ. Understood.

[76ciology]

Why VJ > Kon for me.

Kon and VJ are tied 2nd in Pelton’s WARP (3.9)

VJ’s numbers likely have less noise because he’s not playing alongside a powerhouse like Kon.

VJ also has a higher number of unassisted shots in halfcourt.

If you’re building around a Big 2 or Big 3 with complementary role players which Morey likes, Edgecombe makes more sense than Kon.

[stormi]

Kon said he's not comfortable taking jumpers midrange which is why he didn't in HS or college. The man said it himself. A shooter afraid to shoot when spaces got tighter. He's great bombing from WIDE open looks, cause those always exist in the pro's.

What's the context here. Share the quote?

It might just be the mathematical elimination of the midrange. Non superstars don't get the luxury of living off of midrange, PPP reigns supreme. 3's or lay-ups is peak Morey ball and for being the best shooter in the class, not many got to the rim at the frequency KK did.

32% of all of Knueppel's shots came at the rim (122 attempts), he finished at 63% with 27% of those FGs assisted

only 18.5% of Tre's shots came at the rim (97 attempts), he finished 59% of those attempts with 19% of those FG assisted

23% of Bailey's shots came at the rim (105 attempts), he finished 61% of those attempts with 53% of those FG assisted

Tre and Kon grade out very impressively here. Ace, not so much (sky is blue).

[76ciology]

I’m not sure VJ will ever be as good as Grimes. He has a long way to go offensively to compare with what Grimes showed last season.

Grimes averaged the same number of points with the Sixers as Jalen Williams, and over the full season, he matched almost Chet Holmgren’s scoring average.

[76ciology]

Kon said he's not comfortable taking jumpers midrange which is why he didn't in HS or college. The man said it himself. A shooter afraid to shoot when spaces got tighter. He's great bombing from WIDE open looks, cause those always exist in the pro's.

What's the context here. Share the quote?

It might just be the mathematical elimination of the midrange. Non superstars don't get the luxury of living off of midrange, PPP reigns supreme. 3's or lay-ups is peak Morey ball and for being the best shooter in the class, not many got to the rim at the frequency KK did.

32% of all of Knueppel's shots came at the rim (122 attempts), he finished at 63% with 27% of those FGs assisted

only 18.5% of Tre's shots came at the rim (97 attempts), he finished 59% of those attempts with 19% of those FG assisted

23% of Bailey's shots came at the rim (105 attempts), he finished 61% of those attempts with 53% of those FG assisted

Tre and Kon grade out very impressively here. Ace, not so much (sky is blue).

Kevin O’Connor interview, I believe he’s referencing the quote where KK said he’s not comfortable taking otd threes and compared his game to Klay Thompson.

[Arsenal]

Kon said he's not comfortable taking jumpers midrange which is why he didn't in HS or college. The man said it himself. A shooter afraid to shoot when spaces got tighter. He's great bombing from WIDE open looks, cause those always exist in the pro's.

What's the context here. Share the quote?

It might just be the mathematical elimination of the midrange. Non superstars don't get the luxury of living off of midrange, PPP reigns supreme. 3's or lay-ups is peak Morey ball and for being the best shooter in the class, not many got to the rim at the frequency KK did.

32% of all of Knueppel's shots came at the rim (122 attempts), he finished at 63% with 27% of those FGs assisted

only 18.5% of Tre's shots came at the rim (97 attempts), he finished 59% of those attempts with 19% of those FG assisted

23% of Bailey's shots came at the rim (105 attempts), he finished 61% of those attempts with 53% of those FG assisted

Tre and Kon grade out very impressively here. Ace, not so much (sky is blue).

Kon only got to the rim that much due to the absolutely stacked team around him.

Not happening in the NBA.

[Arsenal]

I’m not sure VJ will ever be as good as Grimes. He has a long way to go offensively to compare with what Grimes showed last season.

Grimes averaged the same number of points with the Sixers as Jalen Williams, and over the full season, he matched almost Chet Holmgren’s scoring average.

Grimes was really good for us. Hopefully they tell Embiid to know his role and let the backcourt be the primary scorers next season.

[Mik317]

Grimes got his numbers on a butt ass terrible team

can we pump the breaks on him for a bit?

[stormi]

Kevin O’Connor interview, I believe he’s referencing the quote where KK said he’s not comfortable taking pull-up threes and compared his game to Klay Thompson.

I think Kon's off the dribble creation ability gets misconstrued due to his role at Duke.



Was taking nearly 20 shots a game and led his EYBL team in scoring three years running.

His ability to both scale down into a nuclear floor spacer and scale up the way he did when Flagg got hurt, ACC Tourney MVP, and without sacrificing efficiency in the process is a major plus.

[stormi]

Kon said he's not comfortable taking jumpers midrange which is why he didn't in HS or college. The man said it himself. A shooter afraid to shoot when spaces got tighter. He's great bombing from WIDE open looks, cause those always exist in the pro's.

What's the context here. Share the quote?

It might just be the mathematical elimination of the midrange. Non superstars don't get the luxury of living off of midrange, PPP reigns supreme. 3's or lay-ups is peak Morey ball and for being the best shooter in the class, not many got to the rim at the frequency KK did.

32% of all of Knueppel's shots came at the rim (122 attempts), he finished at 63% with 27% of those FGs assisted

only 18.5% of Tre's shots came at the rim (97 attempts), he finished 59% of those attempts with 19% of those FG assisted

23% of Bailey's shots came at the rim (105 attempts), he finished 61% of those attempts with 53% of those FG assisted

Tre and Kon grade out very impressively here. Ace, not so much (sky is blue).

Kon only got to the rim that much due to the absolutely stacked team around him.

Not happening in the NBA.

Harper got to the rim with ease at Rutgers, what was Ace's excuse again (besides lack of basketball skill)?

[76ciology]

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[76ciology]

Grimes got his numbers on a butt ass terrible team

can we pump the breaks on him for a bit?

You’re overthinking it

[Arsenal]

Grimes got his numbers on a butt ass terrible team

can we pump the breaks on him for a bit?

Grimes was very efficient putting up his numbers while surrounded with absolute garbage. That makes it even more impressive.

Your argument might hold water if his efficiency cratered due to the heavy usage, but it did not.

[okboomer]

I think Kon may become a bit of a foul grifter.

[stormi]

Grimes got his numbers on a butt ass terrible team

can we pump the breaks on him for a bit?

People don't understand that contextual buckets in a structured situation is far more impressive, and difficult than shot chucking on a nightly loser.

Points per game addicts are why Lavine's and Beal's and Harris' to a lesser degree will always get paid despite contributing nothing towards winning.

[Arsenal]

What's the context here. Share the quote?

It might just be the mathematical elimination of the midrange. Non superstars don't get the luxury of living off of midrange, PPP reigns supreme. 3's or lay-ups is peak Morey ball and for being the best shooter in the class, not many got to the rim at the frequency KK did.

32% of all of Knueppel's shots came at the rim (122 attempts), he finished at 63% with 27% of those FGs assisted

only 18.5% of Tre's shots came at the rim (97 attempts), he finished 59% of those attempts with 19% of those FG assisted

23% of Bailey's shots came at the rim (105 attempts), he finished 61% of those attempts with 53% of those FG assisted

Tre and Kon grade out very impressively here. Ace, not so much (sky is blue).

Kon only got to the rim that much due to the absolutely stacked team around him.

Not happening in the NBA.

Harper got to the rim with ease at Rutgers, what was Ace's excuse again (besides lack of basketball skill)?

Harper at least had Ace’s gravity opening the floor, but unfortunately Harper was useless off ball so vice versa didn’t work as the rest of the team was pure garbage.

None of that changes the fact that your boy Kon was in the perfect situation on a stacked Duke roster. In the NBA he’s only an off-ball catch and shoot guy.

[Jailblazers7]

I think Kon would be the perfect fit in San Antonio. Castle + Victor help clean up any defensive issues he has. He’s an elite shooter, has great feel in PnR, and has proven he can switch roles depending on the talent around him.

Taking him at 2 feels a little crazy because of his athletic limitations but he’s the best on court fit for that team and it’s not close imo.

Why won’t they pick him? All the analytics NERDS say Kon is the 2nd best prospect in the entire draft.

They might well see in a couple weeks. The Spurs tend to trust their own analysis and aren’t afraid to zag against consensus so it’s definitely possible.

[Mik317]

my point is that you don't let career journeyman Quentin Grimes dictate what you do with a top 3 pick.

[Black Mage]

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Obvious smokescreen. No way Morey takes VJ at #3. Obviously gonna do the diligence in case of a trade down though.

Getting these lesser prospects out of the way before Ace comes in at the end.

Morey purposely leaked this for a reason, and not because he's going to take VJ at #3.

Ignoring the ra-ra-ra coach talk from Baylor coach on the PHLY show; there was actually something really important that he said. He related how early in the season VJ wasn't hitting the 3 well and went to coaches to watch film to see what he was doing wrong. They noticed he was pushing the ball; and he immediately went into the gym to work out the kink and get his shot lined up and succeeded.

I highly value that nugget b/c it shows VJ is coachable, wants coaching and dedicated to go work on fixing what he does wrong.

Also, the reports I've been finding all mention a rapid growth curve out of VJ over the past 2 years. We also saw him growing as the college season wore on. Combine this with the above story and it reminds me of young Joel. A player naturally gifted that they can watch things, work on them and implement them quickly into their game.

I'm now have Ace and VJ on equal footing. VJ's intangible stuff is reminding me so much of things I saw/felt about SGA when he was coming out. I wish he were an inch taller and a big longer wingspan, but VJ really does feel like he could be a culture setting influence with insane work ethic and natural ability to develop.

[stormi]

New PFP #draftseason #skilloverstrength #mindovermuscle