Jaylen Brown to LA

[brackdan70]

What about White? Is Reaves + Vincent + Lakers tradeable 1st enough value?

White probably has more value than Brown. Too 30-40 player on a team friendly contract. Lakers don’t have the assets.

Is White the most valuable Celtic now that Tatum did an achilles?

I think from a trade perspective yes. Tatum still has more trade value of course.

[brackdan70]

Is White the most valuable Celtic now that Tatum did an achilles?

I think from a trade perspective yes. Tatum still has more trade value of course.

How could Tatum have more trade value?

Lillard has become a negative deal because of the same injury, you'd have to assume that Tatum is still positive value but is it really more than White and Brown? The history we have on Achilles injuries shows that quality players under 30 (Cousins, Jennings, Matthews, Ellis) come back worse on average than those over 30 (Durant, Klay, Wilkins, Kobe). Almost like the fact that you get this injury younger is a poorer reflection on your physiology, youth helps you heal but the guys who got these injuries younger seemed to get recurrent issues that cut short their careers.

Lilliard is not negative value because of the injury alone. Huge contract and mediocre pant has some to do with it as well. Tatum is a first team all NBA guy in his prime….he isn’t likely to be traded obviously…but he has immense value.

[zimpy27]

I think from a trade perspective yes. Tatum still has more trade value of course.

How could Tatum have more trade value?

Lillard has become a negative deal because of the same injury, you'd have to assume that Tatum is still positive value but is it really more than White and Brown? The history we have on Achilles injuries shows that quality players under 30 (Cousins, Jennings, Matthews, Ellis) come back worse on average than those over 30 (Durant, Klay, Wilkins, Kobe). Almost like the fact that you get this injury younger is a poorer reflection on your physiology, youth helps you heal but the guys who got these injuries younger seemed to get recurrent issues that cut short their careers.

Lilliard is not negative value because of the injury alone. Huge contract and mediocre pant has some to do with it as well. Tatum is a first team all NBA guy in his prime….he isn’t likely to be traded obviously…but he has immense value.

I don't think Boston trade Tatum but I think Brown is now your best player and I don't think it's likely that Tatum is ever better than Brown again. Boston should not trade either Brown or White. Retain Hauser, PP, Horford, Kornet too. Trade Jrue I think, not sure about trading KP either.

[djFan71]

How could Tatum have more trade value?

Lillard has become a negative deal because of the same injury, you'd have to assume that Tatum is still positive value but is it really more than White and Brown? The history we have on Achilles injuries shows that quality players under 30 (Cousins, Jennings, Matthews, Ellis) come back worse on average than those over 30 (Durant, Klay, Wilkins, Kobe). Almost like the fact that you get this injury younger is a poorer reflection on your physiology, youth helps you heal but the guys who got these injuries younger seemed to get recurrent issues that cut short their careers.

Lilliard is not negative value because of the injury alone. Huge contract and mediocre pant has some to do with it as well. Tatum is a first team all NBA guy in his prime….he isn’t likely to be traded obviously…but he has immense value.

I don't think Boston trade Tatum but I think Brown is now your best player and I don't think it's likely that Tatum is ever better than Brown again. Boston should not trade either Brown or White. Retain Hauser, PP, Horford, Kornet too. Trade Jrue I think, not sure about trading KP either.

Agree (don't trade Tatum, Brown best). Disagree (Tatum will be better again). Mostly Agree. One of KP/Hauser is likely gone. Can't save enough on just Jrue to duck the 2nd without paying too much.

Also, I fail to see how Dame's choice of pants affects his trade value.

[BK_2020]

If Boston FO thinks Brown will be the best player when Tatum returns, then it's time to trade everyone and go on a Sixers-style tank.

[zimpy27]

Lilliard is not negative value because of the injury alone. Huge contract and mediocre pant has some to do with it as well. Tatum is a first team all NBA guy in his prime….he isn’t likely to be traded obviously…but he has immense value.

I don't think Boston trade Tatum but I think Brown is now your best player and I don't think it's likely that Tatum is ever better than Brown again. Boston should not trade either Brown or White. Retain Hauser, PP, Horford, Kornet too. Trade Jrue I think, not sure about trading KP either.

Agree (don't trade Tatum, Brown best). Disagree (Tatum will be better again). Mostly Agree. One of KP/Hauser is likely gone. Can't save enough on just Jrue to duck the 2nd without paying too much.

Also, I fail to see how Dame's choice of pants affects his trade value.

You send Jrue+28 to Nets capspace and you can easily duck 2nd apron. KP then expires in 26-27 season, you should be able to get out tax entirely then.

[djFan71]

I don't think Boston trade Tatum but I think Brown is now your best player and I don't think it's likely that Tatum is ever better than Brown again. Boston should not trade either Brown or White. Retain Hauser, PP, Horford, Kornet too. Trade Jrue I think, not sure about trading KP either.

Agree (don't trade Tatum, Brown best). Disagree (Tatum will be better again). Mostly Agree. One of KP/Hauser is likely gone. Can't save enough on just Jrue to duck the 2nd without paying too much.

Also, I fail to see how Dame's choice of pants affects his trade value.

You send Jrue+28 to Nets capspace and you can easily duck 2nd apron. KP then expires in 26-27 season, you should be able to get out tax entirely then.

That’s what I meant by pay too much. It’s possible, but kinda the wrong plan, imo. I don’t wanna pay 28 to do that and end up with no player back. And if tax ducking is the goal (which I don’t necessarily think) you have to start in 25-26. Then 26-27 resets and you spend again in the next year.

[BK_2020]

Agree (don't trade Tatum, Brown best). Disagree (Tatum will be better again). Mostly Agree. One of KP/Hauser is likely gone. Can't save enough on just Jrue to duck the 2nd without paying too much.

Also, I fail to see how Dame's choice of pants affects his trade value.

You send Jrue+28 to Nets capspace and you can easily duck 2nd apron. KP then expires in 26-27 season, you should be able to get out tax entirely then.

That’s what I meant by pay too much. It’s possible, but kinda the wrong plan, imo. I don’t wanna pay 28 to do that and end up with no player back. And if tax ducking is the goal (which I don’t necessarily think) you have to start in 25-26. Then 26-27 resets and you spend again in the next year.

This tbh. Dump Jrue and we'll have to trade for someone to have a roster, anyway. Dumping one player for nothing works for a team that's completely given up or has more than 5 rotation players. The Celtics are presumably neither.

[zimpy27]

Agree (don't trade Tatum, Brown best). Disagree (Tatum will be better again). Mostly Agree. One of KP/Hauser is likely gone. Can't save enough on just Jrue to duck the 2nd without paying too much.

Also, I fail to see how Dame's choice of pants affects his trade value.

You send Jrue+28 to Nets capspace and you can easily duck 2nd apron. KP then expires in 26-27 season, you should be able to get out tax entirely then.

That’s what I meant by pay too much. It’s possible, but kinda the wrong plan, imo. I don’t wanna pay 28 to do that and end up with no player back. And if tax ducking is the goal (which I don’t necessarily think) you have to start in 25-26. Then 26-27 resets and you spend again in the next year.

How good do you think 28 will be, the odds that the player is a difference maker? You probably get the guy you want with pick 32

[zimpy27]

You send Jrue+28 to Nets capspace and you can easily duck 2nd apron. KP then expires in 26-27 season, you should be able to get out tax entirely then.

That’s what I meant by pay too much. It’s possible, but kinda the wrong plan, imo. I don’t wanna pay 28 to do that and end up with no player back. And if tax ducking is the goal (which I don’t necessarily think) you have to start in 25-26. Then 26-27 resets and you spend again in the next year.

This tbh. Dump Jrue and we'll have to trade for someone to have a roster, anyway. Dumping one player for nothing works for a team that's completely given up or has more than 5 rotation players. The Celtics are presumably neither.

It's a financial decision really.

[djFan71]

You send Jrue+28 to Nets capspace and you can easily duck 2nd apron. KP then expires in 26-27 season, you should be able to get out tax entirely then.

That’s what I meant by pay too much. It’s possible, but kinda the wrong plan, imo. I don’t wanna pay 28 to do that and end up with no player back. And if tax ducking is the goal (which I don’t necessarily think) you have to start in 25-26. Then 26-27 resets and you spend again in the next year.

How good do you think 28 will be, the odds that the player is a difference maker? You probably get the guy you want with pick 32

You’re losing a 2nd shot at drafting an good player - and Jrue Holiday.

There are just more effective ways of doing it, imo. I'd rather take 1 good player (and their salary) back from a Jrue trade. If you do it right, you get that player and 2 drafted players. If the 1st player is good enough, then sure I'll include 28 or 32 or whatever makes sense. But just dumping all of Jrue's salary and only having a low-chance shot at 1 good player back isn't attractive.

[Apz]

Imagine having Luka Lebron and Brown and Brown being the highest payed

[enzino]

LAL in: Jaylen Brown

BOS in: 2030 pick swap, 2031 unprotected FRP, Austin Reaves, Rui Hachimura, Dalton Knecht, Gabe Vincent, Shake Milton

BOS trades Brown for an unprotected pick, a sub all-star level guard, a promising young player, and expirings.

LAL trades for Luka's star running mate-- a three level scorer that can defend at a high level.

Change Jaylen Brown with Payton Pritchard and you have a deal

[daoneandonly]

How can you honestly hit Submit and think this is a fair offer? We get it, LAL got a steal when they got Luka, other GMs are not as stupid

[BK_2020]

Austin Reaves is being underrated, I fear. He's a superb offensive player who can score from all three levels, get to the line, and run the pick and roll. His defense is suspect but to be very honest so is Brown's if you disregard ill-founded narratives.
If this trade did happen, Boston would have reduced their payroll, obtained assets, and multiple playable guys. Defensive scheme will have to change as now there are weaknesses that can be exploited in ISO, but that's something Joe will have to figure out. Reaves is a good enough playmaker that he can be played at 1.
The only issue with this trade is Reaves is going to be a free agent.