Vivek

[FarBeyondDriven]

I'm struggling to see what proof people have that Vivek is a meddling owner beyond directing his G.M. to compete which let's be real, isn't necessarily the worst thing in the world.

Do people think Vivek is scouring draft reports, going to the combine and watching endless college and overseas tape so and then deciding who to draft? Or that he has personal relationships with G.M.s around the league he can call to discuss trades? Or that he has intimate knowledge of the salary cap and all its nuance?

What I think has happened is Vivek hasn't been interested in staying bad and definitely not of tanking. He wants families in seats spending money and he wants to watch his team win. Can anyone fault him for that? His meddling has likely been at most telling his G.M.s he's not interested in tanking and please keep us competitive with a chance to make the playoffs. How you go about that is up to you. And in this, McNair failed and should get the blame, not Vivek.

I think what happens is when coaches and G.M.s are fired, our idiotic beat writers are given hit pieces to use for clickbait and establishing narratives because that's the only access they have. They have no access to Vivek so they run with whatever they're given. It's so easy to blame a meddling owner who doesn't defend himself. And of course, fans are sheep that believe what they're told by these people.

imho all that ails this current team is due to McNair's ineptness both on draft night and via trades. I think Vivek did all he could to empower him including firing Brown and allowing him to try and right the ship by making the Fox trade which he absolutely wouldn't have done otherwise. Of course, being unhappy with the results and seeing the writing on the wall he'd be thinking about McNair's replacement and with a prior relationship to Perry it was an easy choice. But I don't think Christie was forced on Perry at all contrary to what you all seem to think. Why would he do that? Perry did a search and players liked him and the team responded well to his tenure so why wouldn't he keep a young promising coach on?

[BoogieTime]

Why are you going out of your way to support him?

At this point, I think only a few regard him with anything positive. Those who are naturally positive minded and see the sunny side to everything. Those who still credit him largely with saving the team - though there will to my recollection other whale groups in sight to buy the team. And no offense, those of Indian heritage who follow the Kings largely because of him (a lot of fans follow players on their backgrounds, but he seems popular in India and I can see the pull for Indian-Americans as well). You don’t strike me as option 1.

It’s well reported he’s entrenched in the team far more than he should be, for years and still as we speak the win now dictum and Christie (I support the win now, but not Christie). And the scoreboard ultimately is how the team has fared under his helm…

As of now I personally don’t view him as an asset to the community as I felt there would be other ownership groups to buy the team and keep it here. He has just provided a bad product for the one team the city has and inhibited the team from acquiring an nhl team most likely due to golden 1 being basketball only made. If he somehow gives us an edge in getting a mlb or nhl team in the future, or even a mls one, my opinion might change. I heard he’s been linked to wanting to bring another team here, he had reported interest in buying an nhl team, though I don’t know if he would’ve relocated that nhl team here.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Why are you going out of your way to support him?

At this point, I think only a few regard him with anything positive. Those who are naturally positive minded and see the sunny side to everything. Those who still credit him largely with saving the team - though there will to my recollection other whale groups in sight to buy the team. And no offense, those of Indian heritage who follow the Kings largely because of him (a lot of fans follow players on their backgrounds, but he seems popular in India and I can see the pull for Indian-Americans as well). You don’t strike me as option 1.

It’s well reported he’s entrenched in the team far more than he should be, for years and still as we speak the win now dictum and Christie (I support the win now, but not Christie). And the scoreboard ultimately is how the team has fared under his helm…

As of now I personally don’t view him as an asset to the community as I felt there would be other ownership groups to buy the team and keep it here. He has just provided a bad product for the one team the city has and inhibited the team from acquiring an nhl team most likely due to golden 1 being basketball only made. If he somehow gives us an edge in getting a mlb or nhl team in the future, or even a mls one, my opinion might change. I heard he’s been linked to wanting to bring another team here, he had reported interest in buying an nhl team, though I don’t know if he would’ve relocated that nhl team here.

Why are you all going out of your way to demonize him? Did I miss where you provided any evidence he's responsible for all that ails us?

Listen, if there's actual evidence, words out of his mouth taking credit for draft picks, trades or FA signings then please enlighten me. I'll happily hop on the hate train. I'm guessing the silence means people simply don't have that proof and their ire is misplaced outrage fanned by clueless beat reporters and other fans.

[BoogieTime]

Why are you going out of your way to support him?

At this point, I think only a few regard him with anything positive. Those who are naturally positive minded and see the sunny side to everything. Those who still credit him largely with saving the team - though there will to my recollection other whale groups in sight to buy the team. And no offense, those of Indian heritage who follow the Kings largely because of him (a lot of fans follow players on their backgrounds, but he seems popular in India and I can see the pull for Indian-Americans as well). You don’t strike me as option 1.

It’s well reported he’s entrenched in the team far more than he should be, for years and still as we speak the win now dictum and Christie (I support the win now, but not Christie). And the scoreboard ultimately is how the team has fared under his helm…

As of now I personally don’t view him as an asset to the community as I felt there would be other ownership groups to buy the team and keep it here. He has just provided a bad product for the one team the city has and inhibited the team from acquiring an nhl team most likely due to golden 1 being basketball only made. If he somehow gives us an edge in getting a mlb or nhl team in the future, or even a mls one, my opinion might change. I heard he’s been linked to wanting to bring another team here, he had reported interest in buying an nhl team, though I don’t know if he would’ve relocated that nhl team here.

Why are you all going out of your way to demonize him? Did I miss where you provided any evidence he's responsible for all that ails us?

Listen, if there's actual evidence, words out of his mouth taking credit for draft picks, trades or FA signings then please enlighten me. I'll happily hop on the hate train. I'm guessing the silence means people simply don't have that proof and their ire is misplaced outrage fanned by clueless beat reporters and other fans.

I’m not going to”out of my way”, the norm is to question him, your out of the norm

The Stauskas video was damn close to evidence, but yes, we don’t have actual video tape just years and years of reporting across front offices. I guess the general fan doesn’t need that video tape

[Sactowndog]

Why are you going out of your way to support him?

At this point, I think only a few regard him with anything positive. Those who are naturally positive minded and see the sunny side to everything. Those who still credit him largely with saving the team - though there will to my recollection other whale groups in sight to buy the team. And no offense, those of Indian heritage who follow the Kings largely because of him (a lot of fans follow players on their backgrounds, but he seems popular in India and I can see the pull for Indian-Americans as well). You don’t strike me as option 1.

It’s well reported he’s entrenched in the team far more than he should be, for years and still as we speak the win now dictum and Christie (I support the win now, but not Christie). And the scoreboard ultimately is how the team has fared under his helm…

As of now I personally don’t view him as an asset to the community as I felt there would be other ownership groups to buy the team and keep it here. He has just provided a bad product for the one team the city has and inhibited the team from acquiring an nhl team most likely due to golden 1 being basketball only made. If he somehow gives us an edge in getting a mlb or nhl team in the future, or even a mls one, my opinion might change. I heard he’s been linked to wanting to bring another team here, he had reported interest in buying an nhl team, though I don’t know if he would’ve relocated that nhl team here.

Why are you all going out of your way to demonize him? Did I miss where you provided any evidence he's responsible for all that ails us?

Listen, if there's actual evidence, words out of his mouth taking credit for draft picks, trades or FA signings then please enlighten me. I'll happily hop on the hate train. I'm guessing the silence means people simply don't have that proof and their ire is misplaced outrage fanned by clueless beat reporters and other fans.

You are asking for things that won’t happen. But if reporters say it happened like Amick then it likely happened like Vivek pushing the horrible LaVine trade.

[OGSactownballer]

Seriously?!?!

Stauskas. Sim Bhullar and four on five cherry pick ball (the way he coached his daughter’s fourth grade team). His constant need to be the Dubs by trying to find the “next Steph” (ie - Buddy, Levine and many other small guards).

Constant reports and articles and blogs and all from NATIONAL reporters and reporting outlets.

How much more do you actually need?

You’re blind if you cannot connect the dots. And always an inexperienced GM to throw under the bus and blame. Or a coach. Or a player(s) attitude.

[bibby1023]

This guy has to be related to Vivek.

[City of Trees]

I can’t say for sure Vivek’s still the one pulling strings, but at this point it doesnt matter. The damage is done. Over a decade of dysfunction has already wrecked his reputation. The beam team felt like a real path out of basketball hell, but he just couldnt stay out of the way or do things the right way. Vivek never does. His presence alone holds the Kings back.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Why are you going out of your way to support him?

At this point, I think only a few regard him with anything positive. Those who are naturally positive minded and see the sunny side to everything. Those who still credit him largely with saving the team - though there will to my recollection other whale groups in sight to buy the team. And no offense, those of Indian heritage who follow the Kings largely because of him (a lot of fans follow players on their backgrounds, but he seems popular in India and I can see the pull for Indian-Americans as well). You don’t strike me as option 1.

It’s well reported he’s entrenched in the team far more than he should be, for years and still as we speak the win now dictum and Christie (I support the win now, but not Christie). And the scoreboard ultimately is how the team has fared under his helm…

As of now I personally don’t view him as an asset to the community as I felt there would be other ownership groups to buy the team and keep it here. He has just provided a bad product for the one team the city has and inhibited the team from acquiring an nhl team most likely due to golden 1 being basketball only made. If he somehow gives us an edge in getting a mlb or nhl team in the future, or even a mls one, my opinion might change. I heard he’s been linked to wanting to bring another team here, he had reported interest in buying an nhl team, though I don’t know if he would’ve relocated that nhl team here.

Why are you all going out of your way to demonize him? Did I miss where you provided any evidence he's responsible for all that ails us?

Listen, if there's actual evidence, words out of his mouth taking credit for draft picks, trades or FA signings then please enlighten me. I'll happily hop on the hate train. I'm guessing the silence means people simply don't have that proof and their ire is misplaced outrage fanned by clueless beat reporters and other fans.

You are asking for things that won’t happen. But if reporters say it happened like Amick then it likely happened like Vivek pushing the horrible LaVine trade.

it's quite telling how nobody can provide examples/evidence beyond unsubstantiated reports that he's behind all our bad moves. Just the usual beat reporter regurgitation and conjecture. But sure, I'm the shill for requiring actual reasons to hate on someone and out of line for suggesting maybe fans have been sold a bill of goods by salty reporters who were given access to GMs and coaches but not Vivek. I must be related to him!!

[FarBeyondDriven]

I can’t say for sure Vivek’s still the one pulling strings, but at this point it doesnt matter. The damage is done. Over a decade of dysfunction has already wrecked his reputation. The beam team felt like a real path out of basketball hell, but he just couldnt stay out of the way or do things the right way. Vivek never does. His presence alone holds the Kings back.

you can't say for sure that he's still or ever was pulling the strings yet "his presence alone holds the Kings back" and "he just couldn't stay out of the way". Make it make sense.

Again, I'm not disputing that he's a buffoon that has almost assuredly made certain preferences known, i.e. desire to compete when it should be torn down or even acquiring specific players to be traded for or drafted in the past decade plus. Those are within his rights as an owner. Ultimately it's the G.M.s job to rein the owner in if he's that way and nobody ever has. I just find it hard to believe that the guy has any clue who Nique Clifford or Maxime Raynaud are and controls our drafts and thus responsible for how awful McNair and Divac were drafting. I also don't think he's personally calling the Spurs GM and negotiating during the Fox trade.

I'm not absolving him of some blame but the way fans place ALL the blame on him is what I'm questioning. Again, I'll join you if it's warranted. Just please provide me some evidence of it above and beyond salty mouthpieces of fired employees and their buddies around the league.

He's guilty of two things and that's giving Divac and McNair power. Prove me wrong I beg you. And please give me more than he voiced his preference to draft the all-american 44% from three shooter in Stauskas back when he first took over and people in the room agreed with him so he was drafted. That's the weak sauce that really doesn't sway me. I LOVE that the new owner was active in that room and want that to continue otherwise what is even the point of owning a team? That wasn't a bad pick just a bad result. And I'm guessing he had egg on his face after that and took a step back. The proof that he didn't is what I'm searching for.

[BoogieTime]

Why are you all going out of your way to demonize him? Did I miss where you provided any evidence he's responsible for all that ails us?

Listen, if there's actual evidence, words out of his mouth taking credit for draft picks, trades or FA signings then please enlighten me. I'll happily hop on the hate train. I'm guessing the silence means people simply don't have that proof and their ire is misplaced outrage fanned by clueless beat reporters and other fans.

You are asking for things that won’t happen. But if reporters say it happened like Amick then it likely happened like Vivek pushing the horrible LaVine trade.

it's quite telling how nobody can provide examples/evidence beyond unsubstantiated reports that he's behind all our bad moves. Just the usual beat reporter regurgitation and conjecture. But sure, I'm the shill for requiring actual reasons to hate on someone and out of line for suggesting maybe fans have been sold a bill of goods by salty reporters who were given access to GMs and coaches but not Vivek. I must be related to him!!

no, but your biased somehow towards him

[Sactowndog]

Why are you all going out of your way to demonize him? Did I miss where you provided any evidence he's responsible for all that ails us?

Listen, if there's actual evidence, words out of his mouth taking credit for draft picks, trades or FA signings then please enlighten me. I'll happily hop on the hate train. I'm guessing the silence means people simply don't have that proof and their ire is misplaced outrage fanned by clueless beat reporters and other fans.

You are asking for things that won’t happen. But if reporters say it happened like Amick then it likely happened like Vivek pushing the horrible LaVine trade.

it's quite telling how nobody can provide examples/evidence beyond unsubstantiated reports that he's behind all our bad moves. Just the usual beat reporter regurgitation and conjecture. But sure, I'm the shill for requiring actual reasons to hate on someone and out of line for suggesting maybe fans have been sold a bill of goods by salty reporters who were given access to GMs and coaches but not Vivek. I must be related to him!!

Yeah well just because people aren’t telling random internet dudes who their sources are doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.

[FarBeyondDriven]

still waiting. The silence is deafening