NBA Trade Thread #12

[Nyce_1]

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Not an Isaac fan and wouldn’t do this for Coby….but would be all over it in return for Vuc, even with just one FRP. Magic need more scoring and vet leadership. Bring Vuc home to ORL

I wonder if a deal for Vuc/Huerter/#45 for Isaac/2 1sts/Filler would be enticing?

Absolutely not.

[Nyce_1]

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Not an Isaac fan and wouldn’t do this for Coby….but would be all over it in return for Vuc, even with just one FRP. Magic need more scoring and vet leadership. Bring Vuc home to ORL

Vuc isn't worth half that, Orlando aren't stupid.

Sure, the big man who just put up 18/10 on 53/40/80 shooting splits isn’t worth a late 1st….come on now. Surely Orlando is just fine trotting out Wendell Carter every night to put up half of that stat line.

Vuc would bring a meaningful offense boost to their frontcourt and they need more vets around Paolo/Franz. The franchise knows him well and would have a good shot at resigning him on a reasonable deal after this year. Makes sense for both sides

But yeah in the eyes of fools like you, Vuc on an expiring deal is worth a ham sandwich.

Orlando would much rather stay with Dell and his defense. The injuries suck but still better than Vooch. Vooch's offense is nice but his lack of defense was/is/will continue to be a huge problem.

[boozapalooza]

Vuc isn't worth half that, Orlando aren't stupid.

Sure, the big man who just put up 18/10 on 53/40/80 shooting splits isn’t worth a late 1st….come on now. Surely Orlando is just fine trotting out Wendell Carter every night to put up half of that stat line.

Vuc would bring a meaningful offense boost to their frontcourt and they need more vets around Paolo/Franz. The franchise knows him well and would have a good shot at resigning him on a reasonable deal after this year. Makes sense for both sides

But yeah in the eyes of fools like you, Vuc on an expiring deal is worth a ham sandwich.

He's not worth any sort of 1st which is why no team traded one for him at the deadline. A fool would be the person that thinks that Vucevic has any value whatsoever, he's a defensive liability that offsets anything he does offensively.

Vuc’s value is team dependent. Anyone who watched ORL knows they need more scorers. In their Boston series, on only one occasion did a non Paolo/Franz player score more than 12 points in a game (Wendell had 16 in game 2).

If the Magic want to push their chips in a bit and make a run at the East, are they gonna benefit more from their second FRP at 25 whos gonna get 10 minutes a game if lucky or the steady vet presence in the frontcourt who can be a solid third option?

[Infinity2152]

Can't convince Vuc haters of anything, lol.

Carter last year: 9 pts, 7 rbs, 2 assts on 24% 3pt shooting with .6 blocks, .8 steals, PER 13.7, TS 54%. BPM -1.2, VORP .3, Blk% 2.2, Stl% 1.5
Vucevic last year 19 pts, 10 rbs, 4 asst on 40% 3 pt shooting with .7 blocks, .8 steals, PER 20.3, TS 61%. BPM 2.6, VORP 2.7, Blk%2.0, Stl% 1.2

Add in that Carter has averaged about 27 minutes and 30 missed games/yr for the last three years, vs Vucevic 33 mins and 5 missed gms/yr, pretty hard to argue they're better off with Carter. Carter would have to be an elite defender, which he is not, to come close to Vuc's value. They have Banchero and Jonathan Isaac, they have long, rangy guys to run with their center.

Vucevic's 20pts/gm, rebounding and three point shooting take that team up a notch. They have a lot of good defenders but only a couple of consistent scorers.

[boozapalooza]

Vuc isn't worth half that, Orlando aren't stupid.

Sure, the big man who just put up 18/10 on 53/40/80 shooting splits isn’t worth a late 1st….come on now. Surely Orlando is just fine trotting out Wendell Carter every night to put up half of that stat line.

Vuc would bring a meaningful offense boost to their frontcourt and they need more vets around Paolo/Franz. The franchise knows him well and would have a good shot at resigning him on a reasonable deal after this year. Makes sense for both sides

But yeah in the eyes of fools like you, Vuc on an expiring deal is worth a ham sandwich.

Orlando would much rather stay with Dell and his defense. The injuries suck but still better than Vooch. Vooch's offense is nice but his lack of defense was/is/will continue to be a huge problem.

Except Wendell isn’t that good of a defender. Hes an undersized C who can’t guard legit big men. Should be a PF, but doesn’t have the offensive game or ability to stretch the floor. Hes a bonafide scrub who does not impact winning. Theres no question imo that Vuc is better player and would present an upgrade to ORL

[Dez]

Sure, the big man who just put up 18/10 on 53/40/80 shooting splits isn’t worth a late 1st….come on now. Surely Orlando is just fine trotting out Wendell Carter every night to put up half of that stat line.

Vuc would bring a meaningful offense boost to their frontcourt and they need more vets around Paolo/Franz. The franchise knows him well and would have a good shot at resigning him on a reasonable deal after this year. Makes sense for both sides

But yeah in the eyes of fools like you, Vuc on an expiring deal is worth a ham sandwich.

He's not worth any sort of 1st which is why no team traded one for him at the deadline. A fool would be the person that thinks that Vucevic has any value whatsoever, he's a defensive liability that offsets anything he does offensively.

Vuc’s value is team dependent. Anyone who watched ORL knows they need more scorers. In their Boston series, on only one occasion did a non Paolo/Franz player score more than 12 points in a game (Wendell had 16 in game 2).

If the Magic want to push their chips in a bit and make a run at the East, are they gonna benefit more from their second FRP at 25 whos gonna get 10 minutes a game if lucky or the steady vet presence in the frontcourt who can be a solid third option?

They can get a better fit that isn't a complete s**t-show defensively with those assets.

Vuc had no suitors because the Bulls wanted a first and no team wanted to give one for him.

He's not a bad player, he's just not someone a team is going to give useful assets for.

[Infinity2152]

If the Bulls aren't getting any useful assets for Vucevic, then they should just keep him. He's a $20 mill expiring trade chip until the deadline, and coming off the cap in the summer if he lasts past that. This defeatist attitude, just trade him for scraps, for what?

Reportedly Vucevic did have suitors. Warriors made the Jimmy Butler trade at the last minute, No teams had cap space and it was mid-season, that limits the hell out of the market. he also wasn't expiring yet. They were smart to wait till this summer, it's definitely a more flexible market and a better contract, at the very least.

Hope he ends up with the Warriors and balls out. He's been an ironman, super disrespected, and with Draymond and Jimmy next to him, his offense, rebounding, shooting and passing would fit.

[Dez]

If the Bulls aren't getting any useful assets for Vucevic, then they should just keep him. He's a $20 mill expiring trade chip until the deadline, and coming off the cap in the summer if he lasts past that. This defeatist attitude, just trade him for scraps, for what?

Reportedly Vucevic did have suitors. Warriors made the Jimmy Butler trade at the last minute, No teams had cap space and it was mid-season, that limits the hell out of the market. he also wasn't expiring yet. They were smart to wait till this summer, it's definitely a more flexible market and a better contract, at the very least.

Hope he ends up with the Warriors and balls out. He's been an ironman, super disrespected, and with Draymond and Jimmy next to him, his offense, rebounding, shooting and passing would fit.

The Bulls should move on and let Collins/Smith take the C minutes, get whatever they can unless it’s long term salary.

Yes had suitors until the asking price was a first hence the Warriors not going for him, this has been stated many times.

He hasn't been disrespected, pointing out that teams don't value him worth a first isn't disrespectful. It's just stating a fact and the fact that he wasn't traded confirms this.

[Dan Z]

Sure, the big man who just put up 18/10 on 53/40/80 shooting splits isn’t worth a late 1st….come on now. Surely Orlando is just fine trotting out Wendell Carter every night to put up half of that stat line.

Vuc would bring a meaningful offense boost to their frontcourt and they need more vets around Paolo/Franz. The franchise knows him well and would have a good shot at resigning him on a reasonable deal after this year. Makes sense for both sides

But yeah in the eyes of fools like you, Vuc on an expiring deal is worth a ham sandwich.

He's not worth any sort of 1st which is why no team traded one for him at the deadline. A fool would be the person that thinks that Vucevic has any value whatsoever, he's a defensive liability that offsets anything he does offensively.

Vuc’s value is team dependent. Anyone who watched ORL knows they need more scorers. In their Boston series, on only one occasion did a non Paolo/Franz player score more than 12 points in a game (Wendell had 16 in game 2).

If the Magic want to push their chips in a bit and make a run at the East, are they gonna benefit more from their second FRP at 25 whos gonna get 10 minutes a game if lucky or the steady vet presence in the frontcourt who can be a solid third option?

If I'm Orlando I'd ask for Coby, not Vucevic. And I'd include the #16 pick in my offer.

[Muzbar]

He's not worth any sort of 1st which is why no team traded one for him at the deadline. A fool would be the person that thinks that Vucevic has any value whatsoever, he's a defensive liability that offsets anything he does offensively.

Vuc’s value is team dependent. Anyone who watched ORL knows they need more scorers. In their Boston series, on only one occasion did a non Paolo/Franz player score more than 12 points in a game (Wendell had 16 in game 2).

If the Magic want to push their chips in a bit and make a run at the East, are they gonna benefit more from their second FRP at 25 whos gonna get 10 minutes a game if lucky or the steady vet presence in the frontcourt who can be a solid third option?

If I'm Orlando I'd ask for Coby, not Vucevic. And I'd include the #16 pick in my offer.

Coby makes WAY more sense for Orlando than Vucevic.

[Dan Z]

Vuc’s value is team dependent. Anyone who watched ORL knows they need more scorers. In their Boston series, on only one occasion did a non Paolo/Franz player score more than 12 points in a game (Wendell had 16 in game 2).

If the Magic want to push their chips in a bit and make a run at the East, are they gonna benefit more from their second FRP at 25 whos gonna get 10 minutes a game if lucky or the steady vet presence in the frontcourt who can be a solid third option?

If I'm Orlando I'd ask for Coby, not Vucevic. And I'd include the #16 pick in my offer.

Coby makes WAY more sense for Orlando than Vucevic.

Coby reminds me of Bill Simmons "irrational confidence" players, but better. Nate Robinson was one of them.

I bring that up because Coby is streaky but he's also the kind of player I could see scoring 30 in a playoff game. That's valuable and probably better than anything else Orlando could reasonable get.

[Muzbar]

If I'm Orlando I'd ask for Coby, not Vucevic. And I'd include the #16 pick in my offer.

Coby makes WAY more sense for Orlando than Vucevic.

Coby reminds me of Bill Simmons "irrational confidence" players, but better. Nate Robinson was one of them.

I bring that up because Coby is streaky but he's also the kind of player I could see scoring 30 in a playoff game. That's valuable and probably better than anything else Orlando could reasonable get.

Coby would fit so well with Banchero, Wagner and Suggs.

If the Bulls got the 16th pick out of the Magic I'd use it on Jase Richardson to replace Coby, yeah he's a bit short but he's got a decent wingspan on him (it's actually bigger than Coby's) and he's a very good shooter, plus I think he'd fit great next to Giddey.

[Infinity2152]

If the Bulls aren't getting any useful assets for Vucevic, then they should just keep him. He's a $20 mill expiring trade chip until the deadline, and coming off the cap in the summer if he lasts past that. This defeatist attitude, just trade him for scraps, for what?

Reportedly Vucevic did have suitors. Warriors made the Jimmy Butler trade at the last minute, No teams had cap space and it was mid-season, that limits the hell out of the market. he also wasn't expiring yet. They were smart to wait till this summer, it's definitely a more flexible market and a better contract, at the very least.

Hope he ends up with the Warriors and balls out. He's been an ironman, super disrespected, and with Draymond and Jimmy next to him, his offense, rebounding, shooting and passing would fit.

The Bulls should move on and let Collins/Smith take the C minutes, get whatever they can unless it’s long term salary.

Yes had suitors until the asking price was a first hence the Warriors not going for him, this has been stated many times.

He hasn't been disrespected, pointing out that teams don't value him worth a first isn't disrespectful. It's just stating a fact and the fact that he wasn't traded confirms this.

One of Collins or Vucevic needs to go now. Neither is in our long term future. If you can get better trade assets trading Collins than Vucevic, my thought would be trade whoever you can get the most for and keep the other.

The asking price being a first: Couple of points with that. Midseason, there are less teams even capable of making trades. Also, on draft night each team basically gets an extra pick, can trade picks 1 year further out. There are quite a few players who expire this summer, teams have much more flexibility than they did midseason and priorities change. A team like the Celtics is certainly not making the same moves they would have before the Tatum injury, for instance. Knicks fired their coach and may trade KAT. Warriors priorities may have changed now that they have Butler.

To me, the rush should be to move either Vuc, Collins or both but there's really no rush. Not sure it can be even argued this is a much better market and Vuc should be worth more as an expiring than with a year left on his contract, after having a great statistical season. Save his contract for a star trade till the deadline if we can't get anything back.

The fact that he wasn't traded midseason means very little to his trade value this summer, it's a bad justification. We have no way of knowing what offers were even out there in that limited market. If you ever get in an auction, very few bidders with cash means the items usually go for much less or don't get sold if nobody meets the reserve price. Same principle. Run in thru the auction again, with hopefully more and better bidders.

And yes, he's constantly disrespected. You can look at any center ranking over the last few years. Vucevic will consistently be between 8-20.

According to StatMuse, Vucevic had the 12th highest defensive rating among centers last year.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-defensive-rating-centers-2024-2025

the 9th highest offensive rating:

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-offensive-rating-centers-2024-2025

Fourth in rebounds/game:

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/average-center-rebounds-in-2025

Sixth in scoring:

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-center-points-leaders-2024-2025

Using advanced stats: PER 20.3, VORP of 2.7, BPM of 2.6, 7.3 Win Shares, TS 61% is outstanding and defensive impact factors into most of those. He's had 1 negative DBPM once since 2014. The way the Bulls play defense does not keep the center near the paint to play post defense.

Drummond DBPM with the Bulls -.7, .5 the same years Vucevic was -.7, .7. Is Drummond one of the worst defensive centers in the league too? Being on the court with a ton of bad defenders will make most centers look worse.

By any statistical measure he's FAR better than most mid-late first round picks, and many centers currently in the league. And he's making sixth man money, most of the guys ranked higher than him in scoring, rebounds, etc make double at least. He's behind Gobert, Jokic and KAT in rebounds, ,for instance. The three centers who shot 3's better are Kat, Jokic and Porzingas. And KAT and Porzingas are playing PF.

[Infinity2152]

Saw a rumor today that Golden State may take a shot at Coby. Offer would be centered around Mose Moody and a future pick or two, maybe another young player. Warriors need for scoring showed with the Curry injury in the playoffs, he'd be a great fit. Also lot of smoke about Coby may be traded draft night. Thoughts?

Would definitely call Philly about Coby, 12, Portland first for #3. Coby's ready now, a rookie could bust, and they have George and Embid on the roster.
Why Philly might blink: Coby's a 20 pt/gm cheap young guard who's ready now and they have George and Embid. A rookie could take years to be ready, and they get two rookies instead of one.

[jnrjr79]

Saw a rumor today that Golden State may take a shot at Coby. Offer would be centered around Mose Moody and a future pick or two, maybe another young player. Warriors need for scoring showed with the Curry injury in the playoffs, he'd be a great fit. Also lot of smoke about Coby may be traded draft night. Thoughts?

It does not appear Golden State would have the salaries to get this done around Moody unless maybe Buddy Hield were also in the deal. The Warriors need shooting, which they'd get in Coby, but also lose in trading Hield. I'm not Sur the Bulls should want someone like Hield given his age, but given AK's desire to "remain competitive," maybe they do. Though this would keep the Bulls in their hilarious "too many guards" predicament.

Given all the rumors of the Bulls being interested in Kuminga, it would seem a lot more likely the deal would be Kuminga + a pick for Coby and salary filler up to whatever Kuminga's new number is.

GS does not have their first this year due to the Butler trade, but has control over them after that.

[Infinity2152]

Saw a rumor today that Golden State may take a shot at Coby. Offer would be centered around Mose Moody and a future pick or two, maybe another young player. Warriors need for scoring showed with the Curry injury in the playoffs, he'd be a great fit. Also lot of smoke about Coby may be traded draft night. Thoughts?

It does not appear Golden State would have the salaries to get this done around Moody unless maybe Buddy Hield were also in the deal. The Warriors need shooting, which they'd get in Coby, but also lose in trading Hield. I'm not Sur the Bulls should want someone like Hield given his age, but given AK's desire to "remain competitive," maybe they do. Though this would keep the Bulls in their hilarious "too many guards" predicament.

Given all the rumors of the Bulls being interested in Kuminga, it would seem a lot more likely the deal would be Kuminga + a pick for Coby and salary filler up to whatever Kuminga's new number is.

GS does not have their first this year due to the Butler trade, but has control over them after that.

Moody's contract is $11.6 mill, Coby's is $12.8 mill, shouldn't be hard to make work. Warriors have 3 players making $2.2 mill or less, we can absorb that much extra cap easily. Maybe you're looking at his current salary, instead of next year?

[jnrjr79]

Saw a rumor today that Golden State may take a shot at Coby. Offer would be centered around Mose Moody and a future pick or two, maybe another young player. Warriors need for scoring showed with the Curry injury in the playoffs, he'd be a great fit. Also lot of smoke about Coby may be traded draft night. Thoughts?

It does not appear Golden State would have the salaries to get this done around Moody unless maybe Buddy Hield were also in the deal. The Warriors need shooting, which they'd get in Coby, but also lose in trading Hield. I'm not Sur the Bulls should want someone like Hield given his age, but given AK's desire to "remain competitive," maybe they do. Though this would keep the Bulls in their hilarious "too many guards" predicament.

Given all the rumors of the Bulls being interested in Kuminga, it would seem a lot more likely the deal would be Kuminga + a pick for Coby and salary filler up to whatever Kuminga's new number is.

GS does not have their first this year due to the Butler trade, but has control over them after that.

Moody's contract is $11.6 mill, Coby's is $12.8 mill, shouldn't be hard to make work. Warriors have 3 players making $2.2 mill or less, we can absorb that much extra cap easily. Maybe you're looking at his current salary, instead of next year?

You're right. ESPN trade machine had him at the wrong number (like $5M), or I just misread it, but Spotrac has him at $11.5M.

[Chi town]

Saw a rumor today that Golden State may take a shot at Coby. Offer would be centered around Mose Moody and a future pick or two, maybe another young player. Warriors need for scoring showed with the Curry injury in the playoffs, he'd be a great fit. Also lot of smoke about Coby may be traded draft night. Thoughts?

Would definitely call Philly about Coby, 12, Portland first for #3. Coby's ready now, a rookie could bust, and they have George and Embid on the roster.
Why Philly might blink: Coby's a 20 pt/gm cheap young guard who's ready now and they have George and Embid. A rookie could take years to be ready, and they get two rookies instead of one.

Lots of smoke around Kom to the Sixers because they want a win now player. I bet they trade back to 6 and get Kon.

No way the Sixers can pay Coby with Embiid Maxey and George there.

[Chi town]

Saw a rumor today that Golden State may take a shot at Coby. Offer would be centered around Mose Moody and a future pick or two, maybe another young player. Warriors need for scoring showed with the Curry injury in the playoffs, he'd be a great fit. Also lot of smoke about Coby may be traded draft night. Thoughts?

Would definitely call Philly about Coby, 12, Portland first for #3. Coby's ready now, a rookie could bust, and they have George and Embid on the roster.
Why Philly might blink: Coby's a 20 pt/gm cheap young guard who's ready now and they have George and Embid. A rookie could take years to be ready, and they get two rookies instead of one.

Only thing valuable for GS is future picks post Steph. Don’t see them trading those.

[Infinity2152]

Saw a rumor today that Golden State may take a shot at Coby. Offer would be centered around Mose Moody and a future pick or two, maybe another young player. Warriors need for scoring showed with the Curry injury in the playoffs, he'd be a great fit. Also lot of smoke about Coby may be traded draft night. Thoughts?

Would definitely call Philly about Coby, 12, Portland first for #3. Coby's ready now, a rookie could bust, and they have George and Embid on the roster.
Why Philly might blink: Coby's a 20 pt/gm cheap young guard who's ready now and they have George and Embid. A rookie could take years to be ready, and they get two rookies instead of one.

Only thing valuable for GS is future picks post Steph. Don’t see them trading those.

How much is it worth to maximize Steph, Jimmy and Draymond right now though? They have three old max players and still can legit be contenders. They're going to have to sacrifice some future for talent right now, Coby would have REALLY helped them when Steph went down, way more than Moody or a future pick. I think Coby would start over Hield. At minimum, he gives them a better Jordan Poole, and they re-sign him over the cap, they keep a good player with those guys. For a pick or two 4-5 years down the line.

You could legit think of him as a Curry replacement down the line. Less skilled, but much younger and cheaper, similar type guards and imagine what he could learn from Steph and do in the warriors system.