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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd 

Post#1781 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:59 am

Enzo954 wrote:It's been confirmed that we're not in the paly for KD. I don't know why you posters keep saying otherwise.




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Re: This is not a trade discussion. KAT or BRUNSON 

Post#1782 » by Nicnac » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:04 am

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Nicnac wrote:Ok. The talk on the street is that both are defensive liabilities. The focus is on how terrible KAT is while NYC continues to worship Jb. I actually give JB more credit than thibs for turning this team around. But if I had to chose one to ride with bc of their supposed inability to play together, I CHOOSE TOWNS!! I wanted this to be a poll. Didn't know how. My defense

First, this offense was created for jb. It's sad that as a guard he had either 6 or 8 assists the ENTIRE playoffs to towns who was tailored made for the Pic and roll while jb looked for Josh mostly, ALL YR LONG.he looked towns off. And yet someone towns underperformed???

SECOND, Thibs only featured Kat in the playoffs when he had to to try to save his A... And he delivered every time except the last game

Third, I believe we have seen the best of jb. He is slow up the court. Easier to defend in playoffs. And his real value is end of game. Which is important but difficult to be in that position every game

Fourth, towns passes better. Is more of a team player and is also unstoppable

Now jb is no slouch,but I don't think towns is given credit for who he is. And I suppose jb defense is given a pass in a heavily dominated guard league. I bet most don't agree. But it's interesting how NYC fans under appreciate their own. BUT LOVE EVERY OTHER TEAMS PLAYERS.

AND IT IS asinine to trade kat for 37 yr old KD who has never helped a team win without curry.

Anyone remember the mo cheeks deal??? Smh smh smh.

A kd deal WILL NOT GET US A CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT YR and then what

Fire away

And honestly, with mitch playing D, I would quickly trade jb for Tre. His value will never be higher. And he and daddy need to be gone imo


First and foremost: You are not a Knicks fan, you are a poser and your opinions are forever tainted. Trading JB and daddy Brunson for Trae the Troll is pure drivel.

To the actual point: the offense should be more Towns centered if we keep him because Towns in the high post or at the 3 point line offers more spacing and opportunities for other guys to get easy buckets.
JB is the point, but really he is the 2. I made this comment during the playoffs and as long as we have Towns I will repeat -- we need to run the offense like it's Shaq and Kobe
Additionally to that point: we need Towns to work on his post game, work on shooting with contact, and work on not being a problem with the refs. He isn't going to become a different player at his ripe ole age, but he can work on his efficiency.

Having said all of that, we are probably trading Towns and our soul for KD. Happy for Booker to be able to play with his friend KAT.


I agree they both can play togther if they change the pt of emphasis through kat and get rid of daddy
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Re: This is not a trade discussion. KAT or BRUNSON 

Post#1783 » by Nicnac » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:07 am

WaltFrazier wrote:More as an aside, the OP mentioned the Mo Cheeks deal. Traded for Rod Strickland. It's not comparable to KD the way the OP implied. But is it regarded a bad deal? I guess so considering Mo's age vs a young Strickland. But then Cheeks had that one golden moment eliminating the Celtics in the first round. That felt worth it at the time.

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Mo was over the hill. Rod went on to have many yrs of success in the league.
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Re: This is not a trade discussion. KAT or BRUNSON 

Post#1784 » by nykballa2k4 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:14 am

Nicnac wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
Nicnac wrote:Ok. The talk on the street is that both are defensive liabilities. The focus is on how terrible KAT is while NYC continues to worship Jb. I actually give JB more credit than thibs for turning this team around. But if I had to chose one to ride with bc of their supposed inability to play together, I CHOOSE TOWNS!! I wanted this to be a poll. Didn't know how. My defense

First, this offense was created for jb. It's sad that as a guard he had either 6 or 8 assists the ENTIRE playoffs to towns who was tailored made for the Pic and roll while jb looked for Josh mostly, ALL YR LONG.he looked towns off. And yet someone towns underperformed???

SECOND, Thibs only featured Kat in the playoffs when he had to to try to save his A... And he delivered every time except the last game

Third, I believe we have seen the best of jb. He is slow up the court. Easier to defend in playoffs. And his real value is end of game. Which is important but difficult to be in that position every game

Fourth, towns passes better. Is more of a team player and is also unstoppable

Now jb is no slouch,but I don't think towns is given credit for who he is. And I suppose jb defense is given a pass in a heavily dominated guard league. I bet most don't agree. But it's interesting how NYC fans under appreciate their own. BUT LOVE EVERY OTHER TEAMS PLAYERS.

AND IT IS asinine to trade kat for 37 yr old KD who has never helped a team win without curry.

Anyone remember the mo cheeks deal??? Smh smh smh.

A kd deal WILL NOT GET US A CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT YR and then what

Fire away

And honestly, with mitch playing D, I would quickly trade jb for Tre. His value will never be higher. And he and daddy need to be gone imo


First and foremost: You are not a Knicks fan, you are a poser and your opinions are forever tainted. Trading JB and daddy Brunson for Trae the Troll is pure drivel.

To the actual point: the offense should be more Towns centered if we keep him because Towns in the high post or at the 3 point line offers more spacing and opportunities for other guys to get easy buckets.
JB is the point, but really he is the 2. I made this comment during the playoffs and as long as we have Towns I will repeat -- we need to run the offense like it's Shaq and Kobe
Additionally to that point: we need Towns to work on his post game, work on shooting with contact, and work on not being a problem with the refs. He isn't going to become a different player at his ripe ole age, but he can work on his efficiency.

Having said all of that, we are probably trading Towns and our soul for KD. Happy for Booker to be able to play with his friend KAT.


I agree they both can play togther if they change the pt of emphasis through kat and get rid of daddy


I don't think you have to get rid of Rick.

It is inherently difficult for coaches to coach their own kids.

I will say that since we started to build the Nova knicks, there has been sort of an inner circle, outer circle thing going on.

OG has to think he is more likely to be traded than Bridges for example.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd 

Post#1785 » by Kidknick! » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:39 am

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Enzo954 wrote:It's been confirmed that we're not in the paly for KD. I don't know why you posters keep saying otherwise.




Its what itching ears want to hear.


Thank God, because that would be the ULTIMATE "Old Knicks" move. Durant is TOXIC old and not what we need. Sign Oubre and get a vet big. In a perfect world, we trade for Donte. But that ain't happening.
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Post#1787 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:11 am

Shams and brian Windhorst both said the Knicks are in on KD. Steve popper and bondy aren’t tapped in as them.
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Post#1788 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:56 am

Enzo954 wrote:It's been confirmed that we're not in play for KD. I don't know why you posters keep saying otherwise.


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Post#1789 » by god shammgod » Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:54 am

3toheadmelo wrote:Shams and brian Windhorst both said the Knicks are in on KD. Steve popper and bondy aren’t tapped in as them.


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Post#1790 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:11 am

I would definitely trade KAT for KD straight up.

The Knicks for now are Brunson's team and KD is a hugely better fit.

KD only has one year on his contract. Yes, sure. However, the Knicks are year-to-year trying to win now. It's not really a building process. And he can be re-signed/re-signed-and-traded.

(fwiw, I'm sceptical that it - any variant of the Knicks trying to win - will really work, but you have to go with the concept - ffs the Pacers are 2-1 up on the Thunder right now.)
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Post#1791 » by god shammgod » Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:41 am

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:I would definitely trade KAT for KD straight up.

The Knicks for now are Brunson's team and KD is a hugely better fit.

KD only has one year on his contract. Yes, sure. However, the Knicks are year-to-year trying to win now. It's not really a building process. And he can be re-signed/re-signed-and-traded.

(fwiw, I'm sceptical that it - any variant of the Knicks trying to win - will really work, but you have to go with the concept - ffs the Pacers are 2-1 up on the Thunder right now.)


yeah, with the way the east looks right now, next year may be our best chance to win it all with this group. do we really want to waste that chance taking another year to figure out that brunson and kat don't fit well together ?
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd 

Post#1792 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:08 am

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B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:I would definitely trade KAT for KD straight up.

The Knicks for now are Brunson's team and KD is a hugely better fit.

KD only has one year on his contract. Yes, sure. However, the Knicks are year-to-year trying to win now. It's not really a building process. And he can be re-signed/re-signed-and-traded.

(fwiw, I'm sceptical that it - any variant of the Knicks trying to win - will really work, but you have to go with the concept - ffs the Pacers are 2-1 up on the Thunder right now.)


yeah, with the way the east looks right now, next year may be our best chance to win it all with this group. do we really want to waste that chance taking another year to figure out that brunson and kat don't fit well together ?


Thats the conundrum isnt it. The Brunson/KAT roster construction got us to the ECF. But it was largely misutilizated. It works offensively there were PLENTY of signs of that. However its utilzation was not ideal because Thibs refused to recognize the defensive deficiencies at times and forced it rather than adjusting the rotations and staggering the lineup more. ALMOST evey rotation with KAT as the one WITHOUT Brunson on the floor was phenomenal. You could even argue they were sometimes better than the ones with Brunson and no KAT on the floor!

Also having JJJ or Giannis will be a HUGE boost because you can stagger KAT or Brunson even easier with those guys out there. It wont be just a big anymore that has trmendous offensive deficiencies in Mitch. And when they are all out there together you can have KAT in a different role out there defensively than Thibs did where it magnified his defensive deficiencies rather than minimize them.

When all the bevy of conflicting reports melt away , when the layers of the onion are finally peeled, we will likely see the true intentions of the franchise come out. Many are being tossed back and forth like the ocean with all the conflicting reports that come out right now.

Wait for the finals to be over as this is what the NBA wants...then you will truly see what reports are true or not. No major announcements likely until this series is over. Kidd stuff will likely accelerate at that time. Then the Giannis stuff potentially. Kidd is the ONLY coach that publicly proclaimed he would leave his team for the Knicks. Why burn bridges with the fanbase and the team unless you really wanted to leave?

Many teams already have a pretty good idea on what their plan As are right now. Doesn't automatically mean Plan A happens but usually they have a pretty good feel if it will work out or not by now and are just waiting out the finals to put it in motion.

They want to keep KAT and prefer to trade Bridges. Now if its Giannis that might be the exception. But I think KAT is their last option to trade unless its for a truly top 5-10 player that is younger, plays both offense and defense at a high level and less injury prone. KD is not that. Which is why he is a lower option on the list and only if its Bridges and then some combination of Hart/Robinson for salary matching.


I think they are committed to KAT
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Post#1793 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:29 am

If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?
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Post#1794 » by god shammgod » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:36 am

HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?


and they're going to play together in crunch time and the start of halves no matter how much you try to stagger them. these are crucial parts of the game that you can't just give away minutes in.
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Post#1795 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:43 am

HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?


They will still play together but in theory with a Giannis or JJJ, KATs role can be adjusted more sensibly and maybe closer to how Finch used him where KAT defensive metrics that year were top 20 in NBA!

Also staggering both can be them together on floor for 20 minutes vs the closer to 30 that Thibs kept forcing the issue with especially against offensively superior teams.

And with that said I don't hate moving on from KAT but its got to be a younger guy (sub 32) who is less injury prone , elite 2 ways O/D and we know we can sign past this year.
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Post#1796 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:43 am

god shammgod wrote:
HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?


and they're going to play together in crunch time and the start of halves no matter how much you try to stagger them. these are crucial parts of the game that you can't just give away minutes in.


Exactly. They are still going to play starters minutes and need to share the floor especially during crucial parts of the game like you said so there is no going away from that.
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Post#1797 » by dukeknicksirish » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:44 am

Next year will be as open as it will ever be....

- Pacers devil magic will expire
- Cleveland is soft
- Mil has Kuzma (injured Dame as well I guess)
- Detroit is young and might lose some bench rotation pieces
- Orlando will be tough, but if they don't address the PG hole again..
- Boston will be without Tatum/trading key players for cap relief

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Post#1798 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:46 am

HEZI wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?


and they're going to play together in crunch time and the start of halves no matter how much you try to stagger them. these are crucial parts of the game that you can't just give away minutes in.


Exactly. They are still going to play starters minutes and need to share the floor especially during crucial parts of the game like you said so there is no going away from that.


Except Thibs won't be mishandling them with a BS offense and a one trick pony defense that doesn't work in today's NBA.

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Post#1799 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:47 am

dukeknicksirish wrote:Next year will be as open as it will ever be....

- Pacers devil magic will expire
- Cleveland is soft
- Mil has Kuzma (injured Dame as well I guess)
- Detroit is young and might lose some bench rotation pieces
- Orlando will be tough, but if they don't address the PG hole again..
- Boston will be without Tatum/trading key players for cap relief

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We still need to see the offseason reshuffle which could vault some teams up but yeah it is tending that way
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Post#1800 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:56 am

KnixinSix wrote:
HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?


They will still play together but in theory with a Giannis or JJJ, KATs role can be adjusted more sensibly and maybe closer to how Finch used him where KAT defensive metrics that year were top 20 in NBA!

Also staggering both can be them together on floor for 20 minutes vs the closer to 30 that Thibs kept forcing the issue with especially against offensively superior teams.

And with that said I don't hate moving on from KAT but its got to be a younger guy (sub 32) who is less injury prone , elite 2 ways O/D and we know we can sign past this year.


So in theory but all we have to do is add a generational player like Giannis or an All Star with All NBA defense credentials. Cmon now
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