Enzo954 wrote:It's been confirmed that we're not in the paly for KD. I don't know why you posters keep saying otherwise.
Its what itching ears want to hear.
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Enzo954 wrote:It's been confirmed that we're not in the paly for KD. I don't know why you posters keep saying otherwise.
nykballa2k4 wrote:Nicnac wrote:Ok. The talk on the street is that both are defensive liabilities. The focus is on how terrible KAT is while NYC continues to worship Jb. I actually give JB more credit than thibs for turning this team around. But if I had to chose one to ride with bc of their supposed inability to play together, I CHOOSE TOWNS!! I wanted this to be a poll. Didn't know how. My defense
First, this offense was created for jb. It's sad that as a guard he had either 6 or 8 assists the ENTIRE playoffs to towns who was tailored made for the Pic and roll while jb looked for Josh mostly, ALL YR LONG.he looked towns off. And yet someone towns underperformed???
SECOND, Thibs only featured Kat in the playoffs when he had to to try to save his A... And he delivered every time except the last game
Third, I believe we have seen the best of jb. He is slow up the court. Easier to defend in playoffs. And his real value is end of game. Which is important but difficult to be in that position every game
Fourth, towns passes better. Is more of a team player and is also unstoppable
Now jb is no slouch,but I don't think towns is given credit for who he is. And I suppose jb defense is given a pass in a heavily dominated guard league. I bet most don't agree. But it's interesting how NYC fans under appreciate their own. BUT LOVE EVERY OTHER TEAMS PLAYERS.
AND IT IS asinine to trade kat for 37 yr old KD who has never helped a team win without curry.
Anyone remember the mo cheeks deal??? Smh smh smh.
A kd deal WILL NOT GET US A CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT YR and then what
Fire away
And honestly, with mitch playing D, I would quickly trade jb for Tre. His value will never be higher. And he and daddy need to be gone imo
First and foremost: You are not a Knicks fan, you are a poser and your opinions are forever tainted. Trading JB and daddy Brunson for Trae the Troll is pure drivel.
To the actual point: the offense should be more Towns centered if we keep him because Towns in the high post or at the 3 point line offers more spacing and opportunities for other guys to get easy buckets.
JB is the point, but really he is the 2. I made this comment during the playoffs and as long as we have Towns I will repeat -- we need to run the offense like it's Shaq and Kobe
Additionally to that point: we need Towns to work on his post game, work on shooting with contact, and work on not being a problem with the refs. He isn't going to become a different player at his ripe ole age, but he can work on his efficiency.
Having said all of that, we are probably trading Towns and our soul for KD. Happy for Booker to be able to play with his friend KAT.
WaltFrazier wrote:More as an aside, the OP mentioned the Mo Cheeks deal. Traded for Rod Strickland. It's not comparable to KD the way the OP implied. But is it regarded a bad deal? I guess so considering Mo's age vs a young Strickland. But then Cheeks had that one golden moment eliminating the Celtics in the first round. That felt worth it at the time.
Al Bianchi was the GM I believe
Nicnac wrote:nykballa2k4 wrote:Nicnac wrote:Ok. The talk on the street is that both are defensive liabilities. The focus is on how terrible KAT is while NYC continues to worship Jb. I actually give JB more credit than thibs for turning this team around. But if I had to chose one to ride with bc of their supposed inability to play together, I CHOOSE TOWNS!! I wanted this to be a poll. Didn't know how. My defense
First, this offense was created for jb. It's sad that as a guard he had either 6 or 8 assists the ENTIRE playoffs to towns who was tailored made for the Pic and roll while jb looked for Josh mostly, ALL YR LONG.he looked towns off. And yet someone towns underperformed???
SECOND, Thibs only featured Kat in the playoffs when he had to to try to save his A... And he delivered every time except the last game
Third, I believe we have seen the best of jb. He is slow up the court. Easier to defend in playoffs. And his real value is end of game. Which is important but difficult to be in that position every game
Fourth, towns passes better. Is more of a team player and is also unstoppable
Now jb is no slouch,but I don't think towns is given credit for who he is. And I suppose jb defense is given a pass in a heavily dominated guard league. I bet most don't agree. But it's interesting how NYC fans under appreciate their own. BUT LOVE EVERY OTHER TEAMS PLAYERS.
AND IT IS asinine to trade kat for 37 yr old KD who has never helped a team win without curry.
Anyone remember the mo cheeks deal??? Smh smh smh.
A kd deal WILL NOT GET US A CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT YR and then what
Fire away
And honestly, with mitch playing D, I would quickly trade jb for Tre. His value will never be higher. And he and daddy need to be gone imo
First and foremost: You are not a Knicks fan, you are a poser and your opinions are forever tainted. Trading JB and daddy Brunson for Trae the Troll is pure drivel.
To the actual point: the offense should be more Towns centered if we keep him because Towns in the high post or at the 3 point line offers more spacing and opportunities for other guys to get easy buckets.
JB is the point, but really he is the 2. I made this comment during the playoffs and as long as we have Towns I will repeat -- we need to run the offense like it's Shaq and Kobe
Additionally to that point: we need Towns to work on his post game, work on shooting with contact, and work on not being a problem with the refs. He isn't going to become a different player at his ripe ole age, but he can work on his efficiency.
Having said all of that, we are probably trading Towns and our soul for KD. Happy for Booker to be able to play with his friend KAT.
I agree they both can play togther if they change the pt of emphasis through kat and get rid of daddy
KnixinSix wrote:Enzo954 wrote:It's been confirmed that we're not in the paly for KD. I don't know why you posters keep saying otherwise.
Its what itching ears want to hear.
Enzo954 wrote:It's been confirmed that we're not in play for KD. I don't know why you posters keep saying otherwise.
3toheadmelo wrote:Shams and brian Windhorst both said the Knicks are in on KD. Steve popper and bondy aren’t tapped in as them.
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:I would definitely trade KAT for KD straight up.
The Knicks for now are Brunson's team and KD is a hugely better fit.
KD only has one year on his contract. Yes, sure. However, the Knicks are year-to-year trying to win now. It's not really a building process. And he can be re-signed/re-signed-and-traded.
(fwiw, I'm sceptical that it - any variant of the Knicks trying to win - will really work, but you have to go with the concept - ffs the Pacers are 2-1 up on the Thunder right now.)
god shammgod wrote:B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:I would definitely trade KAT for KD straight up.
The Knicks for now are Brunson's team and KD is a hugely better fit.
KD only has one year on his contract. Yes, sure. However, the Knicks are year-to-year trying to win now. It's not really a building process. And he can be re-signed/re-signed-and-traded.
(fwiw, I'm sceptical that it - any variant of the Knicks trying to win - will really work, but you have to go with the concept - ffs the Pacers are 2-1 up on the Thunder right now.)
yeah, with the way the east looks right now, next year may be our best chance to win it all with this group. do we really want to waste that chance taking another year to figure out that brunson and kat don't fit well together ?
HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?
HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?
god shammgod wrote:HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?
and they're going to play together in crunch time and the start of halves no matter how much you try to stagger them. these are crucial parts of the game that you can't just give away minutes in.
HEZI wrote:god shammgod wrote:HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?
and they're going to play together in crunch time and the start of halves no matter how much you try to stagger them. these are crucial parts of the game that you can't just give away minutes in.
Exactly. They are still going to play starters minutes and need to share the floor especially during crucial parts of the game like you said so there is no going away from that.
dukeknicksirish wrote:Next year will be as open as it will ever be....
- Pacers devil magic will expire
- Cleveland is soft
- Mil has Kuzma (injured Dame as well I guess)
- Detroit is young and might lose some bench rotation pieces
- Orlando will be tough, but if they don't address the PG hole again..
- Boston will be without Tatum/trading key players for cap relief
PLEASE STAY HEALTHY AND WIN BOYS
KnixinSix wrote:HEZI wrote:If your two best players need to be staggered so much that they essentially can’t play together, that’s an issue that needs to be fixed by the front office not the coach. If they can’t work together then one has to go. No team or coach with championship aspirations is needing to do that. These are your two best players. What are you looking to accomplish when your two best players don’t work well together? When has a team ever won a championship with that being the case?
They will still play together but in theory with a Giannis or JJJ, KATs role can be adjusted more sensibly and maybe closer to how Finch used him where KAT defensive metrics that year were top 20 in NBA!
Also staggering both can be them together on floor for 20 minutes vs the closer to 30 that Thibs kept forcing the issue with especially against offensively superior teams.
And with that said I don't hate moving on from KAT but its got to be a younger guy (sub 32) who is less injury prone , elite 2 ways O/D and we know we can sign past this year.