2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Stanford]

Oh god, not again.

FULTZ!

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Moving up to the 2nd pick would be nice. At that point all Morey would have to do is move up one more spot and it is a perfect draft.

Seriously I doubt Morey is moving up to the 2nd pick.

[76ciology]

Oh god, not again.

FULTZ!

FAITHFUL TO THE GRINDZZZZ

[Negrodamus]

Oh god, not again.

FULTZ!

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[Iverson Armband]

Nice player, but you don’t draft that at #3.

Humor me and do a 2024 redraft. Top 5.

Bronny James
Jared McCain
Stephon Castle
Zaccharie Risacher
Matas Buzelis
Ke’el Ware

Only one “PG” who can’t dribble on the list.

[HotelVitale]

Is there anything tangible to quantify this, or are you forced to live in the realm where nothing matters besides measurables because you've tied your anchor to a prospect that doesn't bring anything besides them to the table?

We got eliminated by a team led by 5'11 Jalen Brunson the last time we were in the playoffs. We were eliminated by a team that started 6'0 Kyle Lowry in the playoffs in 2019 and he went on to win a championship.

T-rex 6'4 Andrew Nembhard with a 6'5 wingspan has started every single playoff game for the team that's 2-1 up in the finals.

If you're valuing combine data as the end all be all, you're stuck way behind the curve.

And all of those guys were picked late 1st or early 2nd round. Or are you insinuating it’s a positive to have inferior measurements?

I value both stats AND physical profile, unlike you since you clearly think it’s all about college numbers and everything else is irrelevant.

They were picked late because of stone aged evaluators that thought like you, winning players that were all overlooked for bodybuilding bad basketball player busts.

There's a pyramidal hierarchy in the evaluation process and at the top is always strictly how dominant you were relative to your peers.

You've made some good pts in here but imo it feels like you're trying to move way too quickly to get to the end sometime, maybe since you all are going at it so hard here. Like this assumption aint it. Sure scouts can tend to overvalue players that look the part at times, but Lowry and Brunson weren't picked late because every single scout and GM are f'ing outdated idiots, they were picked late because they had a hard road to being really good NBA players. Lowry was super tough and physical on both ends but didn't have clear NBA scoring ability (and his size was a question mark on both ends), Brunson had used his skill and timing well in college but it seemed like that'd be tough to shift to the NBA for someone of his size+athleticism, and the question of what would he be if he couldn't be a lead guy. Turns out both guys had ridiculous translations to the NBA and slowly mastered everything they needed to to be viable high-volume NBA guys--i.e. both had massive outlyingly great translation + developments, which is what happens with basically all draft steals. (E.g. Maxey came in playing hard and shooting runners and then developed to legit mastered NBA-ready 3pt shooting and NBA-speed rim finishing in like 3 years, or McCain had shown the ability to create and score despite his size+athletic abilities but translated immediately as a total fricking wizard at being able to score in like any and all of the smallest gaps he could create.)

There's also no simple stupid assumption scouts and evaluators make in the draft process. It will obviously help your stock if you've showed you can put your tools and game to work and win or stand out in college, but there are many exceptions to that. Evaluators are looking at everything available and trying to figure out who has the best odds and the path that least requires lucky developments, and also at who seems most likely to develop, and the upside if they do.

[OleSchool]

Well, you aren't completely alone.

I still put KJ in the Kon / VJ group as well. I'd be thrilled if we walked away with any of them.

KJ's my guy. Followed by VJ

I like Trae as well BUT I think in order to win with him you'd need a very specific team built around him. Think AI sixers

If I had to do an order right now it would be KJ > KK > VJ. I see all of them as kids that will thrive in good systems and on contending teams, which is what I hope we're building toward here.

Yep agreed and also, in case Joel Isn't done they will fit in nicely

[76ciology]

Im just worried about Dylan Harper’s shooting profile.

[sodmoraes]

It will be fultz situation again. We will give the clippers pick to San Anotnio to get harper. Spurs draft Bailey and he´s the next Tatum, while Harper is a meh shooter who maybe even forgets how to shoot here lol...

[HotelVitale]

Told ya. Been on the Harper train for a couple weeks now. I don't know if it'll happen, but there's no way Morey is using that pick on just a solid contributor. He wants to maximize it.

What would you be willing to trade in this scenario? Lots of people are 'on the Harper train' but it seems like it'd cost us big to buy the ticket.

[Iverson Armband]

Tre Johnson on the spurs is scary

[Negrodamus]

I like Harper way more than Fultz, but not enough to spend any substantial assets on getting him. In theory, he works great with all of our pieces.

Either way, I'll be happy knowing that Ace won't be the pick.

[76ciology]

Tre Johnson on the spurs is scary

I think its gonna be VJ for them.

[Stanford]

I like Harper way more than Fultz.

Oh, me too. Harper is awesome. I get Fultz vibes just from the way he's talked about.

[the_process]

Sam Vecenie on his latest mock had us doing double trade down and land both 6th and 18th pick to draft Kon Kneuppel and Danny Wolf

It was 3 and Drummond for 4 and 33, then 4 for 6 and 18.

That's pretty good.

[76ciology]

It will be fultz situation again. We will give the clippers pick to San Anotnio to get harper. Spurs draft Bailey and he´s the next Tatum, while Harper is a meh shooter who maybe even forgets how to shoot here lol...

I wouldn’t rush to that conclusion, every draft tells a different story.

[76ciology]

I get why we’re trading Harper. It’s about managing risk. Even with concerns about his shooting, he’s a lower bust risk and has a clearer path to star upside compared to other prospects. I love Kasparas, but Harper has a better scorer profile, he looks more like someone who can put up 25–30 points consistently. I love Tre, too, but Harper has star-level offensive upside while has no concerns on the glass and on defense. And while I’m high on Kneuppel and VJ, Harper simply has a much higher ceiling than both.

Plus, this is a smart opportunity given the Spurs’ logjam at guard. We’re paying the price to get a legit #2 pick. At #3, the value might actually be closer to #4 or #5, and most of us who aren’t Ace believers are fine trading down.

[PhillyNj]

Morey has a job waiting for him in San Antonio, if he does this.

[Iverson Armband]

Tre Johnson on the spurs is scary

I think its gonna be VJ for them.

Why? Between Castle, Fox and VJ there’s not enough shooting around Wemby.

[Stanford]

Fultz was an all-time headcase. I don't think anyone can be as unserious and unprepared for the NBA as he was.