Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Skybox]

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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what's the whole farm? Isaac Cole and 16?

Yes. I also think Poole is better. He reminds me of Kyrie when he was an FA. Everyone here didn't want Kyrie because he's was a cancer. Now, no one wants Poole because he made bonehead plays on a tanking team.

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I'd be excited about either one (and have concerns) but comparing just last season is a disservice to Simons...he's been far more consistent, even as he's being (slowly) moved aside for Scoot and Sharpe.

Poole scares me in an exciting way - like boarding a roller coaster

Simons can flat out shoot it and you can bank on that, but I wonder about the playmaking upside...my concerns with Simons are "does he have the presence to participate and show even more of his bag or does he shrink into a Kennard spot up role?"

[89Magicfan]

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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That should tell you something.

Why are you assuming he has ANY idea what POR or WAS wants? Every post is delivered with certainty- doesn't mean there is any basis for it.

I’m not. Just a sarcastic counter argument about Poole.

I really don’t want that guy here.

[cedric76]

As Jroy mentioned many times, #16 + Cole+ Jett is enough to get anfernee, as long as they get the #16 they ll be happy

[GelbeWand09]

If its one of Simons & co, it was really worth it to do nothing for 3 years and waste the time with capspace and then your endgame is Anfernee ''meh'' Simons. Better than Sexton but still such a 1st or 2nd round exit move.
We still got no high level playmaking, no PG, another high usage guy with barely leaque average efficiency, horrible FTr, horrible defense, soft, career loser...
Paolo & Franz gonna take the same horrible shots and try to drive from the 3Pointline, just that they have probably a bit more space for their drives, instead of someone who gives them the ball in spaces & situation where they are more effective. The roleplayers still gonna be completely out of rhythm, just that now 3 guys have 85% usage while they stand around and get the ball with 1-3 seconds on the clock.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If its one of Simons & co, it was really worth it to do nothing for 3 years and waste the time with capspace and then your endgame is Anfernee ''meh'' Simons. Better than Sexton but still such a 1st or 2nd round exit move.
We still got no high level playmaking, no PG, another high usage guy with barely leaque average efficiency, horrible FTr, horrible defense, soft, career loser...
Paolo & Franz gonna take the same horrible shots and try to drive from the 3Pointline, just that they have probably a bit more space for their drives, instead of someone who gives them the ball in spaces & situation where they are more effective. The roleplayers still gonna be completely out of rhythm, just that now 3 guys have 85% usage while they stand around and get the ball with 1-3 seconds on the clock.

This. Simons alone doesn’t fix much and this board would turn on him quicker than they did KCP. You guys think KCP is useless when his shots aren’t falling? Lmao, oh boy you guys are in for a rude awakening.

Also, acquiring Simons only means committing to signing him to a 4 yr./80-100M deal.

I don’t want to sound like a Simons hater, because we obviously need shooting and he’s a hometown kid and I’m soft for things like that but thinking he’s going to come in here and revolutionize the offense is comical.

If the difference between acquiring him and someone like Monk cost Orlando an additional FRP, I think the latter would be a much much better investment and I’ll die on this hill (and proudly eat crow if I’m wrong).

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If its one of Simons & co, it was really worth it to do nothing for 3 years and waste the time with capspace and then your endgame is Anfernee ''meh'' Simons. Better than Sexton but still such a 1st or 2nd round exit move.
We still got no high level playmaking, no PG, another high usage guy with barely leaque average efficiency, horrible FTr, horrible defense, soft, career loser...
Paolo & Franz gonna take the same horrible shots and try to drive from the 3Pointline, just that they have probably a bit more space for their drives, instead of someone who gives them the ball in spaces & situation where they are more effective. The roleplayers still gonna be completely out of rhythm, just that now 3 guys have 85% usage while they stand around and get the ball with 1-3 seconds on the clock.

so that's where Mose then has to find a better offensive gameplan once we get a 3rd ball handler. Feel like we saw it a little when CoJo started late, the ball moved a bit more and looked a bit better. Hoping that since Mose knew he didn't have anyone outside Franz/Paolo to initiate offense he didn't even try to experiment. Will also be interesting if we do add a more offensive minded assistant that we're rumored to be doing.

[tiderulz]

If its one of Simons & co, it was really worth it to do nothing for 3 years and waste the time with capspace and then your endgame is Anfernee ''meh'' Simons. Better than Sexton but still such a 1st or 2nd round exit move.
We still got no high level playmaking, no PG, another high usage guy with barely leaque average efficiency, horrible FTr, horrible defense, soft, career loser...
Paolo & Franz gonna take the same horrible shots and try to drive from the 3Pointline, just that they have probably a bit more space for their drives, instead of someone who gives them the ball in spaces & situation where they are more effective. The roleplayers still gonna be completely out of rhythm, just that now 3 guys have 85% usage while they stand around and get the ball with 1-3 seconds on the clock.

This. Simons alone doesn’t fix much and this board would turn on him quicker than they did KCP. You guys think KCP is useless when his shots aren’t falling? Lmao, oh boy you guys are in for a rude awakening.

Also, acquiring Simons only means committing to signing him to a 4 yr./80-100M deal.

I don’t want to sound like a Simons hater, because we obviously need shooting and he’s a hometown kid and I’m soft for things like that but thinking he’s going to come in here and revolutionize the offense is comical.

If the difference between acquiring him and someone like Monk cost Orlando an additional FRP, I think the latter would be a much much better investment and I’ll die on this hill (and proudly eat crow if I’m wrong).

I get it. though to be fair, Monk isnt a great 3 pt shooter (gone down the past 3 years) and his defense is pretty bad too. I could be on board for Monk, if only that he is under contract longer.

[dsg2021]

If its one of Simons & co, it was really worth it to do nothing for 3 years and waste the time with capspace and then your endgame is Anfernee ''meh'' Simons. Better than Sexton but still such a 1st or 2nd round exit move.
We still got no high level playmaking, no PG, another high usage guy with barely leaque average efficiency, horrible FTr, horrible defense, soft, career loser...
Paolo & Franz gonna take the same horrible shots and try to drive from the 3Pointline, just that they have probably a bit more space for their drives, instead of someone who gives them the ball in spaces & situation where they are more effective. The roleplayers still gonna be completely out of rhythm, just that now 3 guys have 85% usage while they stand around and get the ball with 1-3 seconds on the clock.

so that's where Mose then has to find a better offensive gameplan once we get a 3rd ball handler. Feel like we saw it a little when CoJo started late, the ball moved a bit more and looked a bit better. Hoping that since Mose knew he didn't have anyone outside Franz/Paolo to initiate offense he didn't even try to experiment. Will also be interesting if we do add a more offensive minded assistant that we're rumored to be doing.

There is only upside for any aspiring head coach out there to come in as the offensive assistant to ORL for a bit. There is almost no mathematical way for the ORL offense to get any worse than it is, it will only improve from here. And the credit is easy to share between them and Mosely and his staff. We should have a more than a handful of assistant coaches lining up for the interview, and more candidates means more chance at a really good offensive assistant. I know we are sick of CP3 to ORL stuff here but he is in like 5 mil per for 2 years era of his career and is also someone we should chase after.

[89Magicfan]

The longer this off season goes the more I dislike all the options.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If its one of Simons & co, it was really worth it to do nothing for 3 years and waste the time with capspace and then your endgame is Anfernee ''meh'' Simons. Better than Sexton but still such a 1st or 2nd round exit move.
We still got no high level playmaking, no PG, another high usage guy with barely leaque average efficiency, horrible FTr, horrible defense, soft, career loser...
Paolo & Franz gonna take the same horrible shots and try to drive from the 3Pointline, just that they have probably a bit more space for their drives, instead of someone who gives them the ball in spaces & situation where they are more effective. The roleplayers still gonna be completely out of rhythm, just that now 3 guys have 85% usage while they stand around and get the ball with 1-3 seconds on the clock.

This. Simons alone doesn’t fix much and this board would turn on him quicker than they did KCP. You guys think KCP is useless when his shots aren’t falling? Lmao, oh boy you guys are in for a rude awakening.

Also, acquiring Simons only means committing to signing him to a 4 yr./80-100M deal.

I don’t want to sound like a Simons hater, because we obviously need shooting and he’s a hometown kid and I’m soft for things like that but thinking he’s going to come in here and revolutionize the offense is comical.

If the difference between acquiring him and someone like Monk cost Orlando an additional FRP, I think the latter would be a much much better investment and I’ll die on this hill (and proudly eat crow if I’m wrong).

I get it. though to be fair, Monk isnt a great 3 pt shooter (gone down the past 3 years) and his defense is pretty bad too. I could be on board for Monk, if only that he is under contract longer.

All true, not one single player is perfect. However, the main difference between Monk and Simons is playmaking and Monks ability to be a lead ball handler. Which imo should take precedence over one dimensional shooter.

You want shooting? Then just sign Trent/Exum/Burks/Merrill/Mann/Jones/Beasley/Jerome/NAW for a fraction of the price.

or my favorite target Quentin Grimes but he’ll probably command more than the MLE.

[dsg2021]

Naz will not use his player option and will be a free agent, wanting a big upgrade in salary as a lot of teams are after him, so that blows trade #1 out of the water as the Magic are not trading all that on a hope and a prayer that he stays. as for #2, if that is all it takes for Simons, do that trade first and then take the lay of the land.

Yes, I was expecting Naz to not use his PO as well. He can’t use it until like 06/30 though, which means his bird rights would be in ORL’s hands. If I remember right, only DET can somewhat feasibly get the cap space to steal him from ORL. If ORL didn’t want to use the bird rights to outpay more than DET. And in ORL, Naz would be the starting modern 5 and in my depth chart, he’d have like 38 MPG if he wanted it that high. So he can make his deal 1+1 or 2+1 after some big minutes seasons, or keep it simple and let ORL give him 20+ for 4. Some observers said he didn’t show out too well against OKC and it hurt his stock, but I think it was his offense they were pointing at more than his defense.

[basketballRob]

what's the whole farm? Isaac Cole and 16?

Yes. I also think Poole is better. He reminds me of Kyrie when he was an FA. Everyone here didn't want Kyrie because he's was a cancer. Now, no one wants Poole because he made bonehead plays on a tanking team.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=poolejo01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=simonan01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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my issue with Poole is the money.. that's 31 & 34M and we're not just a Jordan Poole away from contending. I also don't think Poole would come much cheaper even though Washington wants to tank. Poole is the perfect tank commander for them, he'll do the vet things, be the main guy in town and will be fine being shut down for a week or two at a time so the kids can play.

it will all come down to what we have to give up because there's 3-5 guards who are available that are pretty close to each other depending on how you look at things.

Poole may have been the second best player during the playoffs when Golden State won a title.

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[OrlandoDream]

The michigan connection isnt that strong to warrant a Jordan Poole trade. I rather have Simons all day over Poole.

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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Any reports on what specific port wants for simons? The fact that he has not been traded might be sign they are asking too much. Simons is now an expiring so their asking price will only decrease with time. GM is not going to risk losing him for nothing. Give them JI, Cole and the 25th.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Yes. I also think Poole is better. He reminds me of Kyrie when he was an FA. Everyone here didn't want Kyrie because he's was a cancer. Now, no one wants Poole because he made bonehead plays on a tanking team.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=poolejo01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=simonan01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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my issue with Poole is the money.. that's 31 & 34M and we're not just a Jordan Poole away from contending. I also don't think Poole would come much cheaper even though Washington wants to tank. Poole is the perfect tank commander for them, he'll do the vet things, be the main guy in town and will be fine being shut down for a week or two at a time so the kids can play.

it will all come down to what we have to give up because there's 3-5 guards who are available that are pretty close to each other depending on how you look at things.

Poole may have been the second best player during the playoffs when Golden State won a title.

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His defense was also passable (not great, but not a liability) which tells me he’s able and willing to follow a defensive scheme which should bode well with one of the better defensive coaches in the league (Mosley).

[Bergmaniac]

Yes. I also think Poole is better. He reminds me of Kyrie when he was an FA. Everyone here didn't want Kyrie because he's was a cancer. Now, no one wants Poole because he made bonehead plays on a tanking team.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=poolejo01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=simonan01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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my issue with Poole is the money.. that's 31 & 34M and we're not just a Jordan Poole away from contending. I also don't think Poole would come much cheaper even though Washington wants to tank. Poole is the perfect tank commander for them, he'll do the vet things, be the main guy in town and will be fine being shut down for a week or two at a time so the kids can play.

it will all come down to what we have to give up because there's 3-5 guards who are available that are pretty close to each other depending on how you look at things.

Poole may have been the second best player during the playoffs when Golden State won a title.

Why are you so in favour for Poole when you are usually strongly against guards who are poor defenders?

And he certainly wasn't better than Draymond or Wiggins during the 2022 Warriors title run.

[cedric76]

I m very surprised, many Chicago fans say that they ll do the Cole+JI+#16+#25 for Coby white

First of all , it doesn't work financially as we d be sending too much

But it shows that they r so worried about Coby s next contract and so do we.

But, if you are shortsighted, a Cole+ our 2 2025 for Coby, would made us sooo much better next season without taking us over the 1st apron BUT would take us well above the 2nd apron when we re-sign him.

[Magic_Johnny12]

my issue with Poole is the money.. that's 31 & 34M and we're not just a Jordan Poole away from contending. I also don't think Poole would come much cheaper even though Washington wants to tank. Poole is the perfect tank commander for them, he'll do the vet things, be the main guy in town and will be fine being shut down for a week or two at a time so the kids can play.

it will all come down to what we have to give up because there's 3-5 guards who are available that are pretty close to each other depending on how you look at things.

Poole may have been the second best player during the playoffs when Golden State won a title.

Why are you so in favour for Poole when you are usually strongly against guards who are poor defenders?

And he certainly wasn't better than Draymond or Wiggins during the 2022 Warriors title run.

Because every single player discussed here are poor defenders.

Poole
Sexton
Simons
Monk
White
Young

However, out of this group Poole is one of two players that provide elite offense.

At least Poole is a champion and has good measurables for his position (compared to someone like Trae) and again has shown to be able to provide real production for a contending team.

[Redick07]

The michigan connection isnt that strong to warrant a Jordan Poole trade. I rather have Simons all day over Poole.

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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Any reports on what specific port wants for simons? The fact that he has not been traded might be sign they are asking too much. Simons is now an expiring so their asking price will only decrease with time. GM is not going to risk losing him for nothing. Give them JI, Cole and the 25th.

If we want to trade #16 or #25, it must be done before or at the draft night. However, Isaac's contract will be 25m before 7/1 (after 7/1, it will become 15m). If we want to trade someone with 2025 FRPs, we should consider JI's 25m, not 15m.

So it is impossible that we trade Isaac (25m), Cole (13m) and #25 for Simons (25.8m)

[OrlandoDream]

I m very surprised, many Chicago fans say that they ll do the Cole+JI+#16+#25 for Coby white

First of all , it doesn't work financially as we d be sending too much

But it shows that they r so worried about Coby s next contract and so do we.

But, if you are shortsighted, a Cole+ our 2 2025 for Coby, would made us sooo much better next season without taking us over the 1st apron BUT would take us well above the 2nd apron when we re-sign him.

As much as I would be ecstatic to have Coby White, giving up 2 FRP for him is a ridiculous overpay.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Portland wants the whole farm for Simons. We could get Poole for contracts and 2 2nds.

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Any reports on what specific port wants for simons? The fact that he has not been traded might be sign they are asking too much. Simons is now an expiring so their asking price will only decrease with time. GM is not going to risk losing him for nothing. Give them JI, Cole and the 25th.

If we want to trade #16 or #25, it must be done before or at the draft night. However, Isaac's contract will be 25m before 7/1 (after 7/1, it will become 15m). If we want to trade someone with 2025 FRPs, we should consider JI's 25m, not 15m.

So it is impossible that we trade Isaac (25m), Cole (13m) and #25 for Simons (25.8m)

The Isaac contract thing has been debunked.

His contract only counts for $15M

And Simon’s is owed $27.6M this coming season.

Regardless, Isaac/Anthony/#25 still works