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Post#1721 » by spree8 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:10 pm

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Jenkins is a interesting case. It sounds like the Grizzlies did him dirty
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Offensively, the Grizzlies had become something of a science experiment this season, offering glimpses at how several radical offensive concepts from Europe, and spacing principles found in hockey and soccer, would work in the NBA, but also how difficult it is to get full buy-in from players to implement them

There were two architects and one supervisor -- Jenkins -- charged with blending the competing visions. One was Tuomas Iisalo, a Finnish coach who'd had a meteoric rise in Europe by implementing innovative offensive concepts around pick-and-roll schemes, pacing and offensive rebounding. Another was player development specialist Noah LaRoche, whom the Grizzlies had lured from a consulting role with the San Antonio Spurs and charged with teaching an offense that prioritized spacing and largely did away with pick-and-rolls and dribble handoffs.

Jenkins, the fifth-longest-tenured NBA coach, had never met either of the assistants before interviewing them, one source said.

Still, the Grizzlies paid a seven-figure buyout to Paris Basketball, which Iisalo (pronounced EE-za-lo) coached to a EuroCup championship last season. Memphis also gave Iisalo and LaRoche seven-figure salaries. That's especially lucrative for a second-row assistant such as LaRoche, but it's also extraordinarily unusual for a second-row assistant to have his fingerprints all over the revamping of a team's offensive system. In fact, Memphis hired LaRoche first (in May 2024) with the intention of building the staff of assistants around him, one source said. The club wouldn't bring in Iisalo until nearly two months later.

To make room for these new voices, Kleiman insisted Jenkins replace five of the assistant coaches who'd been with him throughout his time in Memphis: Brad Jones, Blake Ahearn, Scoonie Penn, Vitaly Potapenko and Sonia Raman.

Jenkins went along with the request, in an effort to be a good partner, said a league source, who added, "Taylor shouldn't have allowed that to happen."

The coach was so upset at the news he'd have to deliver to each of his longtime assistants, he invited each over to his house in Memphis for individual sessions.

The front office felt the new approach needed space to get off the ground, according to a source. So the club cut ties with virtually everyone associated with the team's ways of the past.

"It was a total shock because we'd already had our exit meetings and were preparing for the summer," one former assistant said. "We'd all gone away for a few weeks and came back to start work again. Taylor felt so bad about it. But apparently they decided to go in another direction."

"Going in another direction" has become cliché -- a nice way of glossing over a difficult situation and avoiding specific issues. But in this case that's exactly what it was.

"They were going all-in on these new concepts," another source close to the situation said.

The immediate, unintended effect was to signal to the rest of the league, and the Grizzlies' players, that Jenkins was on thin ice.

"Players aren't stupid," another source said. "They know where this is heading when you fire five assistants after the season."

And when the job is getting players to buy into new offensive concepts, already uncomfortable for most NBA players, being taught different schemes by two assistant coaches immediately undercut Jenkins' authority.



That’s crazy, all this time I thought it was Jenkins that brought in those guys and decided to go with LaRoche’s trash style. I’m good with giving him a shot now
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Post#1723 » by DaGawd » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:13 pm

when the grizzlies first fired jenkins he was the guy i wanted us to immediately can thibs for so i’m just fine with pursuing him
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BKlutch wrote:I wasn't very high on Mike Brown as our next coach, but reading this made me think he might be good. What do others think?

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This seems to say he has very good ideas about a motion offense, but his success was limited when he coached the Kings by the quality of their personnel. No matter who is chosen, I really think a motion offense would serve us far better than placing people in spots where they can stand around waiting for the defender to approach. The 3 point shooter who gets to his spot well before the defender is going to have a better shot. And those who can leave their defender to go inside will also shoot a higher percentage.


I still remember the gif of him pacing around nervously as his assistant coach drew up the last play for the Cavs. Still can’t shake it
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Post#1725 » by Wildcat » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:19 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
HEZI wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I can probably talk myself into Taylor Jenkins. But please no Mike brown.


Same. I think Jenkins would be a better risk to take than Brown

Jenkins is a interesting case. It sounds like the Grizzlies did him dirty.
Offensively, the Grizzlies had become something of a science experiment this season, offering glimpses at how several radical offensive concepts from Europe, and spacing principles found in hockey and soccer, would work in the NBA, but also how difficult it is to get full buy-in from players to implement them

There were two architects and one supervisor -- Jenkins -- charged with blending the competing visions. One was Tuomas Iisalo, a Finnish coach who'd had a meteoric rise in Europe by implementing innovative offensive concepts around pick-and-roll schemes, pacing and offensive rebounding. Another was player development specialist Noah LaRoche, whom the Grizzlies had lured from a consulting role with the San Antonio Spurs and charged with teaching an offense that prioritized spacing and largely did away with pick-and-rolls and dribble handoffs.

Jenkins, the fifth-longest-tenured NBA coach, had never met either of the assistants before interviewing them, one source said.

Still, the Grizzlies paid a seven-figure buyout to Paris Basketball, which Iisalo (pronounced EE-za-lo) coached to a EuroCup championship last season. Memphis also gave Iisalo and LaRoche seven-figure salaries. That's especially lucrative for a second-row assistant such as LaRoche, but it's also extraordinarily unusual for a second-row assistant to have his fingerprints all over the revamping of a team's offensive system. In fact, Memphis hired LaRoche first (in May 2024) with the intention of building the staff of assistants around him, one source said. The club wouldn't bring in Iisalo until nearly two months later.

To make room for these new voices, Kleiman insisted Jenkins replace five of the assistant coaches who'd been with him throughout his time in Memphis: Brad Jones, Blake Ahearn, Scoonie Penn, Vitaly Potapenko and Sonia Raman.

Jenkins went along with the request, in an effort to be a good partner, said a league source, who added, "Taylor shouldn't have allowed that to happen."

The coach was so upset at the news he'd have to deliver to each of his longtime assistants, he invited each over to his house in Memphis for individual sessions.

The front office felt the new approach needed space to get off the ground, according to a source. So the club cut ties with virtually everyone associated with the team's ways of the past.

"It was a total shock because we'd already had our exit meetings and were preparing for the summer," one former assistant said. "We'd all gone away for a few weeks and came back to start work again. Taylor felt so bad about it. But apparently they decided to go in another direction."

"Going in another direction" has become cliché -- a nice way of glossing over a difficult situation and avoiding specific issues. But in this case that's exactly what it was.

"They were going all-in on these new concepts," another source close to the situation said.

The immediate, unintended effect was to signal to the rest of the league, and the Grizzlies' players, that Jenkins was on thin ice.

"Players aren't stupid," another source said. "They know where this is heading when you fire five assistants after the season."

And when the job is getting players to buy into new offensive concepts, already uncomfortable for most NBA players, being taught different schemes by two assistant coaches immediately undercut Jenkins' authority.


Ja wasn't a fan of the euro style. Taylor took the fall for it when it wasn't his call on the offense. He was going to get canned one way or the other, though. No way you bring in that many assistants with the idea of keeping the head coach.
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Post#1728 » by aq_ua » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:21 pm

Capn'O wrote:Jenkins intrigues me. They had a good record through all sorts of drama and injuries. They always have nobodies stepping up during those times. He might be a little reactionary after Thibs going away from heavy minutes to the starters but he clearly ran a good ship.

Also, somebody give Sam Cassell a chance. He's been a lead assistant on good squads for years.

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Post#1729 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:21 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
HEZI wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I can probably talk myself into Taylor Jenkins. But please no Mike brown.


Same. I think Jenkins would be a better risk to take than Brown

Jenkins is a interesting case. It sounds like the Grizzlies did him dirty.
Offensively, the Grizzlies had become something of a science experiment this season, offering glimpses at how several radical offensive concepts from Europe, and spacing principles found in hockey and soccer, would work in the NBA, but also how difficult it is to get full buy-in from players to implement them

There were two architects and one supervisor -- Jenkins -- charged with blending the competing visions. One was Tuomas Iisalo, a Finnish coach who'd had a meteoric rise in Europe by implementing innovative offensive concepts around pick-and-roll schemes, pacing and offensive rebounding. Another was player development specialist Noah LaRoche, whom the Grizzlies had lured from a consulting role with the San Antonio Spurs and charged with teaching an offense that prioritized spacing and largely did away with pick-and-rolls and dribble handoffs.

Jenkins, the fifth-longest-tenured NBA coach, had never met either of the assistants before interviewing them, one source said.

Still, the Grizzlies paid a seven-figure buyout to Paris Basketball, which Iisalo (pronounced EE-za-lo) coached to a EuroCup championship last season. Memphis also gave Iisalo and LaRoche seven-figure salaries. That's especially lucrative for a second-row assistant such as LaRoche, but it's also extraordinarily unusual for a second-row assistant to have his fingerprints all over the revamping of a team's offensive system. In fact, Memphis hired LaRoche first (in May 2024) with the intention of building the staff of assistants around him, one source said. The club wouldn't bring in Iisalo until nearly two months later.

To make room for these new voices, Kleiman insisted Jenkins replace five of the assistant coaches who'd been with him throughout his time in Memphis: Brad Jones, Blake Ahearn, Scoonie Penn, Vitaly Potapenko and Sonia Raman.

Jenkins went along with the request, in an effort to be a good partner, said a league source, who added, "Taylor shouldn't have allowed that to happen."

The coach was so upset at the news he'd have to deliver to each of his longtime assistants, he invited each over to his house in Memphis for individual sessions.

The front office felt the new approach needed space to get off the ground, according to a source. So the club cut ties with virtually everyone associated with the team's ways of the past.

"It was a total shock because we'd already had our exit meetings and were preparing for the summer," one former assistant said. "We'd all gone away for a few weeks and came back to start work again. Taylor felt so bad about it. But apparently they decided to go in another direction."

"Going in another direction" has become cliché -- a nice way of glossing over a difficult situation and avoiding specific issues. But in this case that's exactly what it was.

"They were going all-in on these new concepts," another source close to the situation said.

The immediate, unintended effect was to signal to the rest of the league, and the Grizzlies' players, that Jenkins was on thin ice.

"Players aren't stupid," another source said. "They know where this is heading when you fire five assistants after the season."

And when the job is getting players to buy into new offensive concepts, already uncomfortable for most NBA players, being taught different schemes by two assistant coaches immediately undercut Jenkins' authority.


Yeah it does seem like he was done dirty. I’d be on board with giving him a shot.
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Post#1731 » by KnicksGadfly » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:22 pm

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I’m usually in the minority and rarely react like the media, but my first response upon hearing they’d let Thibs go was they must’ve had someone on deck. Now that we know they didn’t, I find the media’s response to be both predictable and reasonable.


I think it could have been an element of surprise during the playoffs. I don't know if I've ever seen a Thibs team ever need to have multiple player meetings during the postseason to address things like effort and sacrifice. It's weird as eff...if you told me that Thibs would beat the Celtics before the season, I'd say, automatic extension. But the highs were high and rare, and the lows were more common and alarming. We can blame the players for that, but I'd say that the players were trying and weren't figuring out. At some point, the coach needs to figure it out...coaches are also culture setters and the ultimate team leaders with decision-making authority.

I think the other thing is that I think it's really unreasonable to think they will have someone on deck to replace Thibs, if he gets fired, unless that person is already in our org. Like if we had an assistant coach that we liked, then yea, that dude would be on deck. For example, when the Grizzlies fired Jenkins, they had their dude on the deck. The Knicks didn't; to me, if they didn't have anyone internal they liked, it's 100% fine that they want to take their time and interview. I don't think they should ever have anyone on deck that comes from a different org like that...if they don't know the guy, he should not be on deck. When it's an external hire, they should take their time and vet people.

But, during the season? I don't think it's reasonable to expect the Knicks to be prepared to fire Thibs by doing a bunch of research in the middle of it. There's no way to drop feelers about hiring other coaches and interviewing other coaches during the season, unless we want to have a media shyt storm. That stuff will 100% leak. It's not the right way to treat Thibs and also not good for the players and a huge distraction.

I guess my point...this whole thing about the Knicks needing to fire Thibs and then having an external coach in mind immediately is unreasonable. Internal? Yes, get the guy ready. External? Take your time.



I agree with all this but it still begs the question of why fire thibs in the first place? Maybe he isn't the guy to take you over the top but he's clearly a good coach. Is there a better replacement out there? There could be but we sure don't know yet. The game plan is to try to poach other teams' coaches? That sounds like a terrible game plan since it may involve us giving up picks to get it done, which we already don't have many of and we lack depth.

My confusion about the firing is more about the timing than anything. Feels like maybe Thibs lost the locker room and FO made a knee jerk reaction. I agree with Teague when he said that Thibs needed to hire an offensive coordinator that he trusts. I think that would have maybe been a better route. At least it'd give Thibs one more shot for redemption and given the Knicks someone who potentially could have taken over if they still wanted to get rid of him.


You've already answered your question.

1) "He isn't the guy to take you over the top" - Fire the guy. He's done a good job, but it's time to let go. No need to give him another shot. You acknowledge it, I acknowledge it, the FO acknowledges it. Thank you, Thibs. Appreciate you, but time to go to the next level.

2) "Is there a better replacement out there? There could be but we sure don't know yet." - This is why we need to give this FO time. This is part of their job description. Their job description is not to keep getting 50 win seasons. It's to win a ring. I don't know if they can get it done...maybe they hire the right guy or the wrong guy, but they need to take the shot. This is part of their job...it's also time to see if this is a championship-level FO.

There is risk in this, just like there was risk in trading for KAT, etc. But there is risk in keeping Thibs too, especially with short contract timelines and decisions to be made with players.
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Post#1732 » by spree8 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:26 pm

HEZI wrote:
spree8 wrote:
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Except this part



So what you say doesn’t make sense



I don’t see how what you quoted there makes it not make sense?

“Long before” is a relative term, we don’t know when exactly Leon became done with him, but considering he gave him the extension last summer, and then fired him this summer, it had to be during the season. Also, according to reports, they haven’t spoken for almost a year, and it got to the point that if Thibs didn’t win the title, he was gone.

That being said we know Wes and Dolan wanted Thibs gone years back, but Dolan told Leon it was his call… since Leon gave Thibs that massive extension, Dolan likely wanted to know ok, why are you pissing away 30 million of my dollars so quickly? Because that doesn’t make Leon look like he’s got good judgement. So he wanted to hear first hand what was up with the players.


Dolan was well informed about the complaints. Even if you listen to the podcast with Jalen and Hart he knew what was going on. This wasn’t something he had to be there for to hear the players out, he was already fielding those complaints. He used that interview to pressure Rose but I guarantee you it wasn’t the first time he was hearing those complaints. So again he didn’t need to be there but he made sure he was



We had a few new players this year one of which had a bad history with Thibs and the other felt the need to air out his issues with him publicly. I think Dolan wanted to hear them out.

Also can’t forget it’s reported that Leon would walk if Dolan made him do something he didn’t want to do. So I don’t think this theory of putting it all on Dolan carries much weight.
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Post#1733 » by DOT » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:50 pm

Capn'O wrote:Jenkins intrigues me. They had a good record through all sorts of drama and injuries. They always have nobodies stepping up during those times. He might be a little reactionary after Thibs going away from heavy minutes to the starters but he clearly ran a good ship.

Also, somebody give Sam Cassell a chance. He's been a lead assistant on good squads for years.

Jenkins is like, the true anti-Thibs

I think he'd be the most interesting hire, but I don't think anyone really stands out as a clear tier above others.
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Post#1734 » by Bob Ross » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:51 pm

I don't know enough about Brown or Jenkins, but both were NBA darlings not long ago
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Post#1735 » by Fury » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:56 pm

Didn't know that Taylor Jenkins's agency is CAA
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Post#1736 » by offense » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:57 pm

Im getting concerned considering the coaches they are looking into, they arent good coaches. should have kept thibs.
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Post#1738 » by GONYK » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:57 pm

I'm not quite sure what to make of the Jenkins situation, but I do have a lot of respect for how he kept that team playing hard when they were absolutely ravaged by injury.

He was driven out by Ja, but Ja isn't someone I'd say prioritizes winning.

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Post#1739 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:59 pm

spree8 wrote:
HEZI wrote:
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I don’t see how what you quoted there makes it not make sense?

“Long before” is a relative term, we don’t know when exactly Leon became done with him, but considering he gave him the extension last summer, and then fired him this summer, it had to be during the season. Also, according to reports, they haven’t spoken for almost a year, and it got to the point that if Thibs didn’t win the title, he was gone.

That being said we know Wes and Dolan wanted Thibs gone years back, but Dolan told Leon it was his call… since Leon gave Thibs that massive extension, Dolan likely wanted to know ok, why are you pissing away 30 million of my dollars so quickly? Because that doesn’t make Leon look like he’s got good judgement. So he wanted to hear first hand what was up with the players.


Dolan was well informed about the complaints. Even if you listen to the podcast with Jalen and Hart he knew what was going on. This wasn’t something he had to be there for to hear the players out, he was already fielding those complaints. He used that interview to pressure Rose but I guarantee you it wasn’t the first time he was hearing those complaints. So again he didn’t need to be there but he made sure he was



We had a few new players this year one of which had a bad history with Thibs and the other felt the need to air out his issues with him publicly. I think Dolan wanted to hear them out.

Also can’t forget it’s reported that Leon would walk if Dolan made him do something he didn’t want to do. So I don’t think this theory of putting it all on Dolan carries much weight.


Leon was not going to walk, he can put that story out there all he wants he wasn’t going to leave a dream job like president of the Knicks. Dolan didn’t need to hear the players complain to be ok with firing Thibs when he wanted him fired this whole time. None of that makes any sense
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Post#1740 » by Jeff Van Gully » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:01 pm

GONYK wrote:I'm not quite sure what to make of the Jenkins situation, but I do have a lot of respect for how he kept that team playing hard when they were absolutely ravaged by injury.

He was driven out by Ja, but Ja isn't someone I'd say prioritizes winning.

I'm not unintrigued.


even looking back before the assistants inflow, jenkins teams struggled in the halfcourt IIRC. when they couldn't run, they didn't look so good.

i would hope he could address those issues while getting the team to run more and getting youth involved.
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