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[BigO]

Not surprised at all that Kerr is interested in BP. There's a reason BP was selected for that National team a few years ago.

There's also a good reason why Kuminga is not high on Kerr's list of keepers and it just isn't money.

I'm worried that Horst's fascination with athletes will bring us Kuminga, at the expense of losing BP.

BP stays in his lane and does his thing. Guys like Kuminga and Kuzma have no lane. They think they are good at everything.

Kuzma has no skills, but Kuminga does. He just doesn'thave a BBIQ.

I'm just not seeing it with Horst having a fascination with athletes. He drafted Nwora and Mamu. He signed Prince.

He did trade for an athlete in Sims, but that was a steal.

Drafting Ajax, AJJohnson, trading for Kuzma and his clear statements that he wants to get more athletic after each of those moves is about as clear as any GM can be. None of them had clear basketball skills and two of them had low BBIQ.

Just horrible moves for a team that wanted to win now.

[ShootingtheJ]

Not surprised at all that Kerr is interested in BP. There's a reason BP was selected for that National team a few years ago.

There's also a good reason why Kuminga is not high on Kerr's list of keepers and it just isn't money.

I'm worried that Horst's fascination with athletes will bring us Kuminga, at the expense of losing BP.

BP stays in his lane and does his thing. Guys like Kuminga and Kuzma have no lane. They think they are good at everything.

Kuzma has no skills, but Kuminga does. He just doesn'thave a BBIQ.

I'm just not seeing it with Horst having a fascination with athletes. He drafted Nwora and Mamu. He signed Prince.

He did trade for an athlete in Sims, but that was a steal.

Drafting Ajax, AJJohnson, trading for Kuzma and his clear statements that he wants to get more athletic after each of those moves is about as clear as any GM can be. None of them had clear basketball skills and two of them had low BBIQ.

Just horrible moves for a team that wanted to win now.

The team does need to get more athletic. Kuzma is not some athletic specimen, he's a typical NBA athlete. Yes, he's a terrible player. This team gets more athletic by adding average athletes. We just need Horst to add good players that improve our athletism. The Bucks didn't pass on TSJ or Dunn in the draft because they were poor athletes, they passed on them because Horst is clueless.

[BigO]

I'm just not seeing it with Horst having a fascination with athletes. He drafted Nwora and Mamu. He signed Prince.

He did trade for an athlete in Sims, but that was a steal.

Drafting Ajax, AJJohnson, trading for Kuzma and his clear statements that he wants to get more athletic after each of those moves is about as clear as any GM can be. None of them had clear basketball skills and two of them had low BBIQ.

Just horrible moves for a team that wanted to win now.

The team does need to get more athletic. Kuzma is not some athletic specimen, he's a typical NBA athlete. Yes, he's a terrible player. This team gets more athletic by adding average athletes. We just need Horst to add good players that improve our athletism. The Bucks didn't pass on TSJ or Dunn in the draft because they were poor athletes, they passed on them because Horst is clueless.

Now you're changing the argument.

I merely stated a fact that you tried to refute; Horst, in his last two drafts and his last major move, has drafted and traded for athleticism, at the expense of bball skills. That is irrefutable.

Now you're stating that the Bucks should get more athletic, but not at the expense of skills. No one can disagree with that.

We can argue how athletic Kuzma is, but it is his one attribute and the one "skill" Horst pointed to when the move was made.

Getting athletic and skilled players is rarely found in the second round. Can you find a Giannis? Possible, but even Giannis never made it to the second round.

I'm with Vecenie from The Athletic. Draft for bball skills. Athleticism is nice, but secondary.

[ShootingtheJ]

Drafting Ajax, AJJohnson, trading for Kuzma and his clear statements that he wants to get more athletic after each of those moves is about as clear as any GM can be. None of them had clear basketball skills and two of them had low BBIQ.

Just horrible moves for a team that wanted to win now.

The team does need to get more athletic. Kuzma is not some athletic specimen, he's a typical NBA athlete. Yes, he's a terrible player. This team gets more athletic by adding average athletes. We just need Horst to add good players that improve our athletism. The Bucks didn't pass on TSJ or Dunn in the draft because they were poor athletes, they passed on them because Horst is clueless.

Now you're changing the argument.

I merely stated a fact that you tried to refute; Horst, in his last two drafts and his last major move, has drafted and traded for athleticism, at the expense of bball skills. That is irrefutable.

Now you're stating that the Bucks should get more athletic, but not at the expense of skills. No one can disagree with that.

We can argue how athletic Kuzma is, but it is his one attribute and the one "skill" Horst pointed to when the move was made.

Getting athletic and skilled players is rarely found in the second round. Can you find a Giannis? Possible, but even Giannis never made it to the second round.

I'm with Vecenie from The Athletic. Draft for bball skills. Athleticism is nice, but secondary.

I think the Kuzma trade was more about availability than athletism. AJ Johnson wasnt picked over TSJ or Dunn because of athletism, it was because Horsy thought he had more potential.

Don't assume Horst has any kind of organized plan, because he doesn't. You're using too small of sample to show a Horst has a direction.

What i want to see from Horst going forward is something he did for the 1st time last season. Trade for under underutilized talent. The KPJ and Sims deals were awesome. Stop chasing names and get players that can project into bigger roles.

[msiris]

Athletic doesn't make a good baketball player by itself. This team needed to get younger.

[msiris]

The team does need to get more athletic. Kuzma is not some athletic specimen, he's a typical NBA athlete. Yes, he's a terrible player. This team gets more athletic by adding average athletes. We just need Horst to add good players that improve our athletism. The Bucks didn't pass on TSJ or Dunn in the draft because they were poor athletes, they passed on them because Horst is clueless.

Now you're changing the argument.

I merely stated a fact that you tried to refute; Horst, in his last two drafts and his last major move, has drafted and traded for athleticism, at the expense of bball skills. That is irrefutable.

Now you're stating that the Bucks should get more athletic, but not at the expense of skills. No one can disagree with that.

We can argue how athletic Kuzma is, but it is his one attribute and the one "skill" Horst pointed to when the move was made.

Getting athletic and skilled players is rarely found in the second round. Can you find a Giannis? Possible, but even Giannis never made it to the second round.

I'm with Vecenie from The Athletic. Draft for bball skills. Athleticism is nice, but secondary.

I think the Kuzma trade was more about availability than athletism. AJ Johnson wasnt picked over TSJ or Dunn because of athletism, it was because Horsy thought he had more potential.

Don't assume Horst has any kind of organized plan, because he doesn't. You're using too small of sample to show a Horst has a direction.

What i want to see from Horst going forward is something he did for the 1st time last season. Trade for under underutilized talent. The KPJ and Sims deals were awesome. Stop chasing names and get players that can project into bigger roles.

Potential is so overrated. Stats prove that it lies mostly in the lotto. We have our superstar and got greedy.

[soxperry]

Honestly....if we can get Durant we should go for it. I dont think anyone is offering a pick as valuable as unprotected bucks 31 1st. I think its possible.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't think the '31 is valuable at all. There's no guarantee the Bucks will be bad, and they have five years to plan ahead.

[soxperry]

kpj...at the deadline.... was dumped for marjon you guys. marjon beauchamp

were homers so were the highest on him than anybody else. if im him im just glad i play for a team that the homers like me and want to resign me to see a little more

well, i guess you're right. values dont change because of results. i should have thought of that.

what results? with our rinkydink little stretch he played 20mpg as a backup???

youd have to be a fool to pay that man the money youre suggesting. he showed a pulse. he showed hes not dead and gone. thats all

if we pay like that were morons

He's 25, first season back from overseas, and he put up a per 36 of 21/7/6 on a near 50/40/90 with us while flashing high level athleticism and some serious defensive playmaking.

That is a lot more than a pulse. Thats indicative of a ceiling that you absolutely have to investigate if youre a team in our position. As someone said, it only takes one other team to drive the price up. Why wouldn't a team like Brooklyn just toss him a speculative contract on the chance he pops for real?

Look, is there a chance he flops? Yes. Is there a chance he has another off court thing? Yes. Thats why its a gamble. But paying him 10-14 for two years is not that big of a gamble. Not when this year is house money and hes an expiring the next.

We desperately need exactly what kpj brings to the table and there are zero alternative routes to that type of player. You want a 3 and D wing for 10m? oh, cool, that definitely extends the Giannis window well done!

[soxperry]

I don't think the '31 is valuable at all. There's no guarantee the Bucks will be bad, and they have five years to plan ahead.

Lol

[fansinceforever]

Yeah, when your best trade asset is a pick 6 years from now, you really need to focus on player retention and spotting diamonds with the meager rations you have to offer.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

well, i guess you're right. values dont change because of results. i should have thought of that.

what results? with our rinkydink little stretch he played 20mpg as a backup???

youd have to be a fool to pay that man the money youre suggesting. he showed a pulse. he showed hes not dead and gone. thats all

if we pay like that were morons

He's 25, first season back from overseas, and he put up a per 36 of 21/7/6 on a near 50/40/90 with us while flashing high level athleticism and some serious defensive playmaking.

That is a lot more than a pulse. Thats indicative of a ceiling that you absolutely have to investigate if youre a team in our position. As someone said, it only takes one other team to drive the price up. Why wouldn't a team like Brooklyn just toss him a speculative contract on the chance he pops for real?

Look, is there a chance he flops? Yes. Is there a chance he has another off court thing? Yes. Thats why its a gamble. But paying him 10-14 for two years is not that big of a gamble. Not when this year is house money and hes an expiring the next.

We desperately need exactly what kpj brings to the table and there are zero alternative routes to that type of player. You want a 3 and D wing for 10m? oh, cool, that definitely extends the Giannis window well done!

overseas? first season back from being kicked out of the league more like it. he showed us he can be ramon sessions during the tank part of the year and remain on good behavior for a couple months. thats what he showed us

but you cant just ignore the first 50 games of the year and the clippers basically cutting him like it didnt happen. how could any gm not look at last year and put even more stock on what happened with the clippers. the guy got literally dumped like a 10 day contract. poor play with his rep in LA any GM that gives that guy alot of money because of a couple months with us after that should be fired on the spot. imo hes closer to what demarcus cousins was with us than what youre suggesting

[soxperry]

what results? with our rinkydink little stretch he played 20mpg as a backup???

youd have to be a fool to pay that man the money youre suggesting. he showed a pulse. he showed hes not dead and gone. thats all

if we pay like that were morons

He's 25, first season back from overseas, and he put up a per 36 of 21/7/6 on a near 50/40/90 with us while flashing high level athleticism and some serious defensive playmaking.

That is a lot more than a pulse. Thats indicative of a ceiling that you absolutely have to investigate if youre a team in our position. As someone said, it only takes one other team to drive the price up. Why wouldn't a team like Brooklyn just toss him a speculative contract on the chance he pops for real?

Look, is there a chance he flops? Yes. Is there a chance he has another off court thing? Yes. Thats why its a gamble. But paying him 10-14 for two years is not that big of a gamble. Not when this year is house money and hes an expiring the next.

We desperately need exactly what kpj brings to the table and there are zero alternative routes to that type of player. You want a 3 and D wing for 10m? oh, cool, that definitely extends the Giannis window well done!

overseas? first season back from being kicked out of the league more like it. he showed us he can be ramon sessions during the tank part of the year and remain on good behavior for a couple months. thats what he showed us

but you cant just ignore the first 50 games of the year and the clippers basically cutting him like it didnt happen. how could any gm not look at last year and put even more stock on what happened with the clippers. the guy got literally dumped like a 10 day contract. poor play with his rep in LA any GM that gives that guy alot of money because of a couple months with us after that should be fired on the spot. imo hes closer to what demarcus cousins was with us than what youre suggesting

Cousins was 31 and had already had a major injury that stole his athletic ceiling.

Kpj is 25 and still has everything he came in with

But outside of that, sure, its identical

[Bernman]

If Dame looks somewhere between totally shot & the same guy post injury these playoffs, do you ask him not to pick up his player option, in exchange for a multi-yr contract, at like 3/70-75?

If Kuz bounces back to at or above career norms, he should be flippable at the deadline. Let's say Bobby picks up his PO, leaves, or we just don't make a long-term commitment there or just about anywhere else. We could have real cap space after next season already.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

He's 25, first season back from overseas, and he put up a per 36 of 21/7/6 on a near 50/40/90 with us while flashing high level athleticism and some serious defensive playmaking.

That is a lot more than a pulse. Thats indicative of a ceiling that you absolutely have to investigate if youre a team in our position. As someone said, it only takes one other team to drive the price up. Why wouldn't a team like Brooklyn just toss him a speculative contract on the chance he pops for real?

Look, is there a chance he flops? Yes. Is there a chance he has another off court thing? Yes. Thats why its a gamble. But paying him 10-14 for two years is not that big of a gamble. Not when this year is house money and hes an expiring the next.

We desperately need exactly what kpj brings to the table and there are zero alternative routes to that type of player. You want a 3 and D wing for 10m? oh, cool, that definitely extends the Giannis window well done!

overseas? first season back from being kicked out of the league more like it. he showed us he can be ramon sessions during the tank part of the year and remain on good behavior for a couple months. thats what he showed us

but you cant just ignore the first 50 games of the year and the clippers basically cutting him like it didnt happen. how could any gm not look at last year and put even more stock on what happened with the clippers. the guy got literally dumped like a 10 day contract. poor play with his rep in LA any GM that gives that guy alot of money because of a couple months with us after that should be fired on the spot. imo hes closer to what demarcus cousins was with us than what youre suggesting

Cousins was 31 and had already had a major injury that stole his athletic ceiling.

Kpj is 25 and still has everything he came in with

But outside of that, sure, its identical

im talking more like ppgz guys in general with toxic reps that give you decent play one month and play like **** the next.

focus on the fact that in LA for most of the year he was just a basic crappy player. putting up numbers post deadline maybe some gms start to scout him again but you dont go from getting basically waived or cut to these ridiculous salary expectations you have because of 30 games off the bench against a bunch of tankers. weve seen this before and the concept is ridiculous at least to me

if some desperate gm wants to spend that kind of dough than i hope its not us.

he does have some upside. if he agrees to let us handle him like we did bobby and give us a DECENT FULL YEAR than fine. if not than bye bye

[fansinceforever]

I'm pretty comfortable saying Dame will not be back by next playoffs.

[ReasonablySober]

If Dame looks somewhere between totally shot & the same guy post injury these playoffs, do you ask him not to pick up his player option, in exchange for a multi-yr contract, at like 3/70-75?

Why on Earth would you want to be saddled with a lesser Dame long term? Am I understanding the question wrong?

The Bucks entire plan going forward should be to have as much cap space as possible in the summer of '07. If Giannis is extended long term by then you can try and convince a couple stars to come play with him and ring chase. If Giannis told the Bucks in October of '26 he wouldn't extend or re-sign, then my hope is he will have been traded, and the Bucks can use cap space in '27 to take on bad contracts if they also receive some assets.

Regardless, they absolutely shouldn't be adding salary beyond the next two seasons.

[Bernman]

If Dame looks somewhere between totally shot & the same guy post injury these playoffs, do you ask him not to pick up his player option, in exchange for a multi-yr contract, at like 3/70-75?

Why on Earth would you want to be saddled with a lesser Dame long term? Am I understanding the question wrong?

The Bucks entire plan going forward should be to have as much cap space as possible in the summer of '07. If Giannis is extended long term by then you can try and convince a couple stars to come play with him and ring chase. If Giannis told the Bucks in October of '26 he wouldn't extend or re-sign, then my hope is he will have been traded, and the Bucks can use cap space in '27 to take on bad contracts if they also receive some assets.

Regardless, they absolutely shouldn't be adding salary beyond the next two seasons.

Maybe not, cuz we'd have cap space for a #2 option a yr earlier this way, to get into contendership already, & compel Giannis extending.

But you're speaking from a perspective where you're all in on wanting Giannis to leave. Bar a Flagg & friends return, I'm not in that boat. And even then, I'd ride it out w/ Giannis if he verbally agreed to the extension now.

[ReasonablySober]

If Dame looks somewhere between totally shot & the same guy post injury these playoffs, do you ask him not to pick up his player option, in exchange for a multi-yr contract, at like 3/70-75?

Why on Earth would you want to be saddled with a lesser Dame long term? Am I understanding the question wrong?

The Bucks entire plan going forward should be to have as much cap space as possible in the summer of '07. If Giannis is extended long term by then you can try and convince a couple stars to come play with him and ring chase. If Giannis told the Bucks in October of '26 he wouldn't extend or re-sign, then my hope is he will have been traded, and the Bucks can use cap space in '27 to take on bad contracts if they also receive some assets.

Regardless, they absolutely shouldn't be adding salary beyond the next two seasons.

Maybe not, cuz we'd have cap space for a #2 option a yr earlier this way, to get into contendership already, & compel Giannis extending.

But you're speaking from a perspective where you're all in on wanting Giannis to leave. Bar a Flagg & friends return, I'm not in that boat.

I'm 100% in the boat of hoping Giannis is here forever. I'm just realistic on our chances to compete without assets around him. The best the Bucks can hope for is making a splash in '27.

[Bernman]

2 years is a long time to wait for true contention. And by that time, Giannis will be a free agent. I assume he won't sign an extension blind, after being an upper mid team. It's a leap of faith to go into FA. If he leaves for nothing, the Bucks are cooked for a decade.

Clearing 85% of the cap space a year earlier to make space for a true #2, after only a yr of being upper mid, & when Giannis is extension eligible, sounds like a better plan. So does trading Dame's huge expiring for good players before the deadline season after next.