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[emunney]

I don't think the '31 is valuable at all. There's no guarantee the Bucks will be bad, and they have five years to plan ahead.

It's more valuable than the Lakers' pick or some other magnet franchise, but ultimately what could make it valuable is league skepticism that we're able to keep Giannis until then and a lengthy track record of **** up too hard to be mediocre. For me, the fact that it's five years away alone means it sucks, but for franchises who have too much **** to fit on a roster next season, that could make for a good match.

My suspicion is that if we got into the details of what we each think we could reasonably get for the pick, we'd probably be really close, and the difference is more in whether we'd call that return valuable or not.

[soxperry]

overseas? first season back from being kicked out of the league more like it. he showed us he can be ramon sessions during the tank part of the year and remain on good behavior for a couple months. thats what he showed us

but you cant just ignore the first 50 games of the year and the clippers basically cutting him like it didnt happen. how could any gm not look at last year and put even more stock on what happened with the clippers. the guy got literally dumped like a 10 day contract. poor play with his rep in LA any GM that gives that guy alot of money because of a couple months with us after that should be fired on the spot. imo hes closer to what demarcus cousins was with us than what youre suggesting

Cousins was 31 and had already had a major injury that stole his athletic ceiling.

Kpj is 25 and still has everything he came in with

But outside of that, sure, its identical

im talking more like ppgz guys in general with toxic reps that give you decent play one month and play like **** the next.

focus on the fact that in LA for most of the year he was just a basic crappy player. putting up numbers post deadline maybe some gms start to scout him again but you dont go from getting basically waived or cut to these ridiculous salary expectations you have because of 30 games off the bench against a bunch of tankers. weve seen this before and the concept is ridiculous at least to me

if some desperate gm wants to spend that kind of dough than i hope its not us.

he does have some upside. if he agrees to let us handle him like we did bobby and give us a DECENT FULL YEAR than fine. if not than bye bye

Ppgz guys dont typically play defense and get lots of rebounds and assists. And why would i focus on the less relevant segment of his season? Segment two was with us, more relevant, and was more recent, also more relevant. It was also much more in line with his last two seasons in Houston (very relevant). If anything, the clippers stint was an abberation from his norm.

But sure, lets focus on that? Why? Outside of the fact that its the only thing that backs up your opinion, im not sure.

[soxperry]

I never watched Shallow Hal but i remember the trailer. I feel like Jack Black when i describe kpj.

"I dont care what anyone else sees. I see a bombshell!!"

[msiris]

2 years is a long time to wait for true contention. And by that time, Giannis will be a free agent. I assume he won't sign an extension blind, after being an upper mid team. It's a leap of faith to go into FA. If he leaves for nothing, the Bucks are cooked for a decade.

Clearing 85% of the cap space a year earlier to make space for a true #2, after only a yr of being upper mid, & when Giannis is extension eligible, sounds like a better plan. So does trading Dame's huge expiring for good players before the deadline season after next.

With our situation I feel the reaity is your not going to get good players for nothng. Have nothing for draft picks. Don't want to ues picks on marginal players. Crowder is the perfect example.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Cousins was 31 and had already had a major injury that stole his athletic ceiling.

Kpj is 25 and still has everything he came in with

But outside of that, sure, its identical

im talking more like ppgz guys in general with toxic reps that give you decent play one month and play like **** the next.

focus on the fact that in LA for most of the year he was just a basic crappy player. putting up numbers post deadline maybe some gms start to scout him again but you dont go from getting basically waived or cut to these ridiculous salary expectations you have because of 30 games off the bench against a bunch of tankers. weve seen this before and the concept is ridiculous at least to me

if some desperate gm wants to spend that kind of dough than i hope its not us.

he does have some upside. if he agrees to let us handle him like we did bobby and give us a DECENT FULL YEAR than fine. if not than bye bye

Ppgz guys dont typically play defense and get lots of rebounds and assists. And why would i focus on the less relevant segment of his season? Segment two was with us, more relevant, and was more recent, also more relevant. It was also much more in line with his last two seasons in Houston (very relevant). If anything, the clippers stint was an abberation from his norm.

But sure, lets focus on that? Why? Outside of the fact that its the only thing that backs up your opinion, im not sure.

the less relevent part of the season being the bulk of the season?
his norm being banned or a troublemaker in every lockerroom hes ever been in since high school until the last couple months in ours?

hes been an inefficient chucker or lockerroom cancer or both at every stop until a second at ours man. THAT IS THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE GUY. hes not a rookie anymore. hes had multiple stops and ours was the first one where he didnt play like ass or destroy the culture. 30 games off the bench with us doesnt erase all that. his time with us should carry little weight for decision makers of billion dollar organizations.

i do agree those decision makers might want to keep an eye on the guy for a minute. the 10 day contract version of him with the clippers got a boost in a couple months with us last year

but thats all that happened. thats it. nothing more. i love you love the guy..... and i do too.... but only on his current contract numbers with this honeymoon phase thing we got to see. i want to see alot more before id blow him up. the guy is a ruben patterson/monte ellis/dwade hybrid. we should still be in the who the **** knows phase of contract writing imo. if somebody wants to blow his ass up with cash it shouldnt be us. we need to take a swing but not on a guy who could destroy the entire culture of us. in some ways our culture is the only thing were starting over with

[RRyder823]

2 years is a long time to wait for true contention. And by that time, Giannis will be a free agent. I assume he won't sign an extension blind, after being an upper mid team. It's a leap of faith to go into FA. If he leaves for nothing, the Bucks are cooked for a decade.

Clearing 85% of the cap space a year earlier to make space for a true #2, after only a yr of being upper mid, & when Giannis is extension eligible, sounds like a better plan. So does trading Dame's huge expiring for good players before the deadline season after next.

I gotta be the only one that thinks there's a close to zero chance Giannis doesn't sign a supermax extension.

He might want a trade after but hes signing the extension first



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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

giannis will want to be with us. i get that sense now. each year that goes by then leaving becomes less likely

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I never watched Shallow Hal but i remember the trailer. I feel like Jack Black when i describe kpj.

"I dont care what anyone else sees. I see a bombshell!!"

great post man and on this i agree

but thats also why i started our discussion talking about being a homer. i think clippers fans would mock us guys here the way we talk about him

[soxperry]

I never watched Shallow Hal but i remember the trailer. I feel like Jack Black when i describe kpj.

"I dont care what anyone else sees. I see a bombshell!!"

great post man and on this i agree

but thats also why i started our discussion talking about being a homer. i think clippers fans would mock us guys here the way we talk about him

On the contrary, weren't we mocking clippers fans for only getting marjon for him?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I never watched Shallow Hal but i remember the trailer. I feel like Jack Black when i describe kpj.

"I dont care what anyone else sees. I see a bombshell!!"

great post man and on this i agree

but thats also why i started our discussion talking about being a homer. i think clippers fans would mock us guys here the way we talk about him

On the contrary, weren't we mocking clippers fans for only getting marjon for him?

like the masssive hammer wielding bucks homers we are! thats what we do!

[soxperry]

im talking more like ppgz guys in general with toxic reps that give you decent play one month and play like **** the next.

focus on the fact that in LA for most of the year he was just a basic crappy player. putting up numbers post deadline maybe some gms start to scout him again but you dont go from getting basically waived or cut to these ridiculous salary expectations you have because of 30 games off the bench against a bunch of tankers. weve seen this before and the concept is ridiculous at least to me

if some desperate gm wants to spend that kind of dough than i hope its not us.

he does have some upside. if he agrees to let us handle him like we did bobby and give us a DECENT FULL YEAR than fine. if not than bye bye

Ppgz guys dont typically play defense and get lots of rebounds and assists. And why would i focus on the less relevant segment of his season? Segment two was with us, more relevant, and was more recent, also more relevant. It was also much more in line with his last two seasons in Houston (very relevant). If anything, the clippers stint was an abberation from his norm.

But sure, lets focus on that? Why? Outside of the fact that its the only thing that backs up your opinion, im not sure.

the less relevent part of the season being the bulk of the season?
his norm being banned or a troublemaker in every lockerroom hes ever been in since high school until the last couple months in ours?

hes been an inefficient chucker or lockerroom cancer or both at every stop until a second at ours man. THAT IS THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE GUY. hes not a rookie anymore. hes had multiple stops and ours was the first one where he didnt play like ass or destroy the culture. 30 games off the bench with us doesnt erase all that. his time with us should carry little weight for decision makers of billion dollar organizations.

i do agree those decision makers might want to keep an eye on the guy for a minute. the 10 day contract version of him with the clippers got a boost in a couple months with us last year

but thats all that happened. thats it. nothing more. i love you love the guy..... and i do too.... but only on his current contract numbers with this honeymoon phase thing we got to see. i want to see alot more before id blow him up. the guy is a ruben patterson/monte ellis/dwade hybrid. we should still be in the who the **** knows phase of contract writing imo. if somebody wants to blow his ass up with cash it shouldnt be us. we need to take a swing but not on a guy who could destroy the entire culture of us. in some ways our culture is the only thing were starting over with

Outside of the fact that we disagree on what an inefficient chucker actually looks like, i think the big difference in my thinking and yours is that you are valuing that extra 5-10m that i would give him a lot more than i am.

To me, what could we possibly spend that on that comes anywhere close to the upside of kpj? I am not saying we lead with 2 years at 14 each, but if our original offer gets outbid, i would just much rather spend the money and cross my finger vs losing him so that we can sign some high floor vet who does maybe 2 or 3 thongs at an nba level.

From a culture standpoint, i sincerely doubt he has the ability to sour a locker room with Giannis in it. You just cant sign another kpj is all. We have great attitudes across the boar, honestly.

But back to money, blowing him up to me means 20+ M per season. 10-14 is not nothing but im just not worried about it if the juice can be worth the squeeze. If Dame never gets hurt, maybe i see it differently. But without kpj our second scoring/playmaking option next year is Bobby.

We really kinda need the kpj thing to hit now. If someone makes that a more expensive proposition for us then i say so be it

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Ppgz guys dont typically play defense and get lots of rebounds and assists. And why would i focus on the less relevant segment of his season? Segment two was with us, more relevant, and was more recent, also more relevant. It was also much more in line with his last two seasons in Houston (very relevant). If anything, the clippers stint was an abberation from his norm.

But sure, lets focus on that? Why? Outside of the fact that its the only thing that backs up your opinion, im not sure.

the less relevent part of the season being the bulk of the season?
his norm being banned or a troublemaker in every lockerroom hes ever been in since high school until the last couple months in ours?

hes been an inefficient chucker or lockerroom cancer or both at every stop until a second at ours man. THAT IS THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE GUY. hes not a rookie anymore. hes had multiple stops and ours was the first one where he didnt play like ass or destroy the culture. 30 games off the bench with us doesnt erase all that. his time with us should carry little weight for decision makers of billion dollar organizations.

i do agree those decision makers might want to keep an eye on the guy for a minute. the 10 day contract version of him with the clippers got a boost in a couple months with us last year

but thats all that happened. thats it. nothing more. i love you love the guy..... and i do too.... but only on his current contract numbers with this honeymoon phase thing we got to see. i want to see alot more before id blow him up. the guy is a ruben patterson/monte ellis/dwade hybrid. we should still be in the who the **** knows phase of contract writing imo. if somebody wants to blow his ass up with cash it shouldnt be us. we need to take a swing but not on a guy who could destroy the entire culture of us. in some ways our culture is the only thing were starting over with

Outside of the fact that we disagree on what an inefficient chucker actually looks like, i think the big difference in my thinking and yours is that you are valuing that extra 5-10m that i would give him a lot more than i am.

To me, what could we possibly spend that on that comes anywhere close to the upside of kpj? I am not saying we lead with 2 years at 14 each, but if our original offer gets outbid, i would just much rather spend the money and cross my finger vs losing him so that we can sign some high floor vet who does maybe 2 or 3 thongs at an nba level.

From a culture standpoint, i sincerely doubt he has the ability to sour a locker room with Giannis in it. You just cant sign another kpj is all. We have great attitudes across the boar, honestly.

But back to money, blowing him up to me means 20+ M per season. 10-14 is not nothing but im just not worried about it if the juice can be worth the squeeze. If Dame never gets hurt, maybe i see it differently. But without kpj our second scoring/playmaking option next year is Bobby.

We really kinda need the kpj thing to hit now. If someone makes that a more expensive proposition for us then i say so be it

i see him as the cheap, worse shooting, but longer more physical outlaw version of jordan poole.

whats the cash value of that exactly?

weve talked this to death. love him back on something under 5 mil where we can cut bait if he acts up. the paid version of this guy, knowing his history including his history with us......paid version..... on our roster..... that guy gives me the heeby geebies. in fact im saying now...if we paid more its like 90% gauranteed we'd regret it

[soxperry]

the less relevent part of the season being the bulk of the season?
his norm being banned or a troublemaker in every lockerroom hes ever been in since high school until the last couple months in ours?

hes been an inefficient chucker or lockerroom cancer or both at every stop until a second at ours man. THAT IS THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE GUY. hes not a rookie anymore. hes had multiple stops and ours was the first one where he didnt play like ass or destroy the culture. 30 games off the bench with us doesnt erase all that. his time with us should carry little weight for decision makers of billion dollar organizations.

i do agree those decision makers might want to keep an eye on the guy for a minute. the 10 day contract version of him with the clippers got a boost in a couple months with us last year

but thats all that happened. thats it. nothing more. i love you love the guy..... and i do too.... but only on his current contract numbers with this honeymoon phase thing we got to see. i want to see alot more before id blow him up. the guy is a ruben patterson/monte ellis/dwade hybrid. we should still be in the who the **** knows phase of contract writing imo. if somebody wants to blow his ass up with cash it shouldnt be us. we need to take a swing but not on a guy who could destroy the entire culture of us. in some ways our culture is the only thing were starting over with

Outside of the fact that we disagree on what an inefficient chucker actually looks like, i think the big difference in my thinking and yours is that you are valuing that extra 5-10m that i would give him a lot more than i am.

To me, what could we possibly spend that on that comes anywhere close to the upside of kpj? I am not saying we lead with 2 years at 14 each, but if our original offer gets outbid, i would just much rather spend the money and cross my finger vs losing him so that we can sign some high floor vet who does maybe 2 or 3 thongs at an nba level.

From a culture standpoint, i sincerely doubt he has the ability to sour a locker room with Giannis in it. You just cant sign another kpj is all. We have great attitudes across the boar, honestly.

But back to money, blowing him up to me means 20+ M per season. 10-14 is not nothing but im just not worried about it if the juice can be worth the squeeze. If Dame never gets hurt, maybe i see it differently. But without kpj our second scoring/playmaking option next year is Bobby.

We really kinda need the kpj thing to hit now. If someone makes that a more expensive proposition for us then i say so be it

i see him as the cheap, worse shooting, but longer more physical outlaw version of jordan poole.

whats the cash value of that exactly?

weve talked this to death. love him back on something under 5 mil where we can cut bait if he acts up. the paid version of this guy, knowing his history including his history with us......paid version..... on our roster..... that guy gives me the heeby geebies. in fact im saying now...if we paid more its like 90% gauranteed we'd regret it

Thats cool. I cant prove the future. I disagree with the odds and thats fine.

But the thing you remain wrong about is how you classify him. Regardless of how you feel about his shooting, he is a proven distributor and rebounder and although his on ball defense is bad at times, he at least flashes some elite abilities off ball. This is objectively not a Jordan Poole type player

[emunney]

I keep thinking of two moments with KPJ, both from the Wolves game.

The first is when he tossed that huge lob to Giannis that forced a timeout and chest-bumped Giannis with the most "they've got NOTHING for me" look on his face I've ever seen. And his face was RIGHT.

The second is when he was one neuron away from knocking out a kneeling Gobert.

I think the correct position on KPJ, as it has always been, is maximum ambivalence.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Outside of the fact that we disagree on what an inefficient chucker actually looks like, i think the big difference in my thinking and yours is that you are valuing that extra 5-10m that i would give him a lot more than i am.

To me, what could we possibly spend that on that comes anywhere close to the upside of kpj? I am not saying we lead with 2 years at 14 each, but if our original offer gets outbid, i would just much rather spend the money and cross my finger vs losing him so that we can sign some high floor vet who does maybe 2 or 3 thongs at an nba level.

From a culture standpoint, i sincerely doubt he has the ability to sour a locker room with Giannis in it. You just cant sign another kpj is all. We have great attitudes across the boar, honestly.

But back to money, blowing him up to me means 20+ M per season. 10-14 is not nothing but im just not worried about it if the juice can be worth the squeeze. If Dame never gets hurt, maybe i see it differently. But without kpj our second scoring/playmaking option next year is Bobby.

We really kinda need the kpj thing to hit now. If someone makes that a more expensive proposition for us then i say so be it

i see him as the cheap, worse shooting, but longer more physical outlaw version of jordan poole.

whats the cash value of that exactly?

weve talked this to death. love him back on something under 5 mil where we can cut bait if he acts up. the paid version of this guy, knowing his history including his history with us......paid version..... on our roster..... that guy gives me the heeby geebies. in fact im saying now...if we paid more its like 90% gauranteed we'd regret it

Thats cool. I cant prove the future. I disagree with the odds and thats fine.

But the thing you remain wrong about is how you classify him. Regardless of how you feel about his shooting, he is a proven distributor and rebounder and although his on ball defense is bad at times, he at least flashes some elite abilities off ball. This is objectively not a Jordan Poole type player

we can agree to disagree. just make sure you look at his numbers with LA before he got here before you start any discussion. he was HIDEOUS on a larger sample.....

hes not the guy he was with us. hes not the guy he was with them. hes a meh version in the middle that had a baby with a guy who likes grenade launching bare dicks into the church picnic.....

bottom line hes hard to quantify. but typically this guy is the dude making 5 mil and bouncing around the league a few years if you look at history. and thats only IF he settles down on a personal level

[tedbrogen]

I love how most everyone just ignores KPJ’s value on defense. They were legit good defensively with him out there. He changed the zone from not good to a very useable based on him jumping passing lanes in it.

If they are keeping Bobby, being able to use that zone if other teams start to hunt Bobby in the PnR or if other teams pull Giannis out of the paint to take advantage of Bobby at the rim, then having a good version of that zone as a counter is huge.

KPJ is more valuable to the Bucks than most other teams, the Bucks are also probably more valuable to him, at least for next season, because of the minutes and shots available with Dame out.

[Baddy Chuck]

Tend to believe KPJ will get between 5-10 next year on his deal and a player option on his second season no matter what. I also think more so than money on the second year he'll be looking for playing time/opportunity next season and I don't see a whole lot more places better suited for that than us. Like choose the wrong team, even one with good coaching and a good roster, and he could find himself back in an LA situation where's he's a legit terrible player getting traded for Marjon Beauchamp. I don't even think a bad team where he gets to "shine" would help him on that next contract a ton.

But as I've said from the beginning, I dunno, all our free agents could so many different directions but when it comes to Bobby, KPJ and GTJ starting next to Giannis has to look like dollar signs.

[soxperry]

I keep thinking of two moments with KPJ, both from the Wolves game.

The first is when he tossed that huge lob to Giannis that forced a timeout and chest-bumped Giannis with the most "they've got NOTHING for me" look on his face I've ever seen. And his face was RIGHT.

The second is when he was one neuron away from knocking out a kneeling Gobert.

I think the correct position on KPJ, as it has always been, is maximum ambivalence.

These are both good things.

Everyone wants to put hands on Gobert. He didnt though. Thats more than some long time established vets can say.

[soxperry]

i think some of you need a refresher.

Watch on YouTube

[Ron Swanson]

I keep thinking of two moments with KPJ, both from the Wolves game.

The first is when he tossed that huge lob to Giannis that forced a timeout and chest-bumped Giannis with the most "they've got NOTHING for me" look on his face I've ever seen. And his face was RIGHT.

The second is when he was one neuron away from knocking out a kneeling Gobert.

I think the correct position on KPJ, as it has always been, is maximum ambivalence.

These are both good things.

Everyone wants to put hands on Gobert. He didnt though. Thats more than some long time established vets can say.

Until they’re not. I’d prioritize bringing him back as long as it’s reasonable, but it feels naive and irresponsible for us to just hand-wave how volatile this dude has been for the vast majority of his 6-year NBA career. So far so good since he’s been here, but I need to see it at least for a full season.