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[Nvnervous45]

Obviously someone didn't watch the Houston series where dray shut down sengun. And yeah dray admits that randle got hot and beat them in the series, but who the heck else on this team is capable of guarding him?

[HiRez]

When talking about moving Dray, yes, I think everyone agrees it hurts you defensively, but the question is how much exactly? Because whoever you bring in is probably going to significantly increase your offensive production.

Let's just take a very modest example: Daniel Gafford. Dray averaged 9 points a game last year. Gafford averaged 12.3. Sounds like not a huge difference. But Gafford only played 21.5 minutes per game while Draymond sucked up 29.2. Draymond's defensive rating per 100 possessions is 109, Gafford's is 113. OK, 4 points difference in Draymond's favor. But offensive rating per 100, Draymond is 107 while Gafford is 137 (+30 Gafford). That's a net rating / 100 difference of -2 for Draymond and +24 for Gafford.

Per 100 possessions, Gafford scores at almost double the rate of Draymond, at much higher efficiency (eFG 70.9% vs. 50.3%), and with a ~50% higher rebounding rate.

Again...Daniel Gafford...hardly a high-priced superstar.

Now of course the numbers aren't the whole story, but I think some of you are underestimating just how much Draymond is hurting us on the offense end, not just with dumb turnovers and flagrant fouls and such, but just taking up so much time at a slot with so little offensive output to compensate. And Jimmy overlaps a lot with Draymond in terms of BBIQ and knowing how to deliver the ball to Steph in the optimal position.

I have a ton of respect for Draymond, I just don't think it's right to believe it's impossible for this team to function without him.

[Jester_]

Windy reporting KD will move in a few weeks. Any shot we're in the mix?

[vvoland]

When talking about moving Dray, yes, I think everyone agrees it hurts you defensively, but the question is how much exactly? Because whoever you bring in is probably going to significantly increase your offensive production.

Let's just take a very modest example: Daniel Gafford. Dray averaged 9 points a game last year. Gafford averaged 12.3. Sounds like not a huge difference. But Gafford only played 21.5 minutes per game while Draymond sucked up 29.2. Draymond's defensive rating per 100 possessions is 109, Gafford's is 113. OK, 4 points difference in Draymond's favor. But offensive rating per 100, Draymond is 107 while Gafford is 137 (+30 Gafford). That's a net rating / 100 difference of -2 for Draymond and +24 for Gafford.

Per 100 possessions, Gafford scores at almost double the rate of Draymond, at much higher efficiency (eFG 70.9% vs. 50.3%), and with a ~50% higher rebounding rate.

Again...Daniel Gafford...hardly a high-priced superstar.

Now of course the numbers aren't the whole story, but I think some of you are underestimating just how much Draymond is hurting us on the offense end, not just with dumb turnovers and flagrant fouls and such, but just taking up so much time at a slot with so little offensive output to compensate. And Jimmy overlaps a lot with Draymond in terms of BBIQ and knowing how to deliver the ball to Steph in the optimal position.

I have a ton of respect for Draymond, I just don't think it's right to believe it's impossible for this team to function without him.

Impossible to function? No. No one has intimated as much. What I (and a few others) have said is, this is a top defense in the league with dray being the only obvious defensive plus. If you do trade him, our defense will sink to the bottom of the league and there is no amount of offense that will allow us to compete, at the highest level, with a bottom 10 defense. I see no way to move dray without completely tanking the defense. If the answer to that problem is to juice the offense, I don't think it's the right answer.

Yes, dray's finishing and shooting are a headwind for the offense. He does, however, add some very important dimensions to the offense: mainly the point forward that allows steph to play off ball. Can Jimmy to that? Sure, but that will take away from some of the things jimmy does best. In addition to the passing, Dray is one of the best screen setters in the league, a communicator, and terrific at ripping the rebounding and pushing the pace (he's done that less and less with age). Yes, he is a big negative on offense when it comes to scoring the ball. That's not the only thing that matters to an offense despite being the easiest to notice/criticize.

[vvoland]

Windy reporting KD will move in a few weeks. Any shot we're in the mix?

bill simmons is pretty confident the deal with the spurs is done and we'll all find out around draft time. I don't have the sources but, from a logic perspective, it makes a lot of sense.

[Jester_]

Windy reporting KD will move in a few weeks. Any shot we're in the mix?

bill simmons is pretty confident the deal with the spurs is done and we'll all find out around draft time. I don't have the sources but, from a logic perspective, it makes a lot of sense.

yeah seems to be the case. that team with Fox, KD and 3rd year Wemby is going to be nasty.

bummer Pop went through this whole rebuild but will miss the big leap

[vvoland]

Windy reporting KD will move in a few weeks. Any shot we're in the mix?

bill simmons is pretty confident the deal with the spurs is done and we'll all find out around draft time. I don't have the sources but, from a logic perspective, it makes a lot of sense.

yeah seems to be the case. that team with Fox, KD and 3rd year Wemby is going to be nasty.

bummer Pop went through this whole rebuild but will miss the big leap

The west is going to be brutal next year and that's before Giannis gets here. The only hope for a team getting worse in the offseason might be Minny, if the ownership balks at paying a large tax bill. It's 13 teams for 8 spots; going to be a bloodbath.

[cpower]

Windy reporting KD will move in a few weeks. Any shot we're in the mix?

yeah Curry for KD works

[Zvaart]

We should blow it up, but we won't

[vvoland]

We should blow it up, but we won't

Meaning you'd like to trade steph and watch him play elsewhere in order to get a few years' head start on the rebuild? Hoping for a few extra picks, as well?

I'll pass but I understand the sentiment. For me, watching steph play in another jersey far outweighs the theoretical benefit of starting the suck now.

[Zvaart]

We should blow it up, but we won't

Meaning you'd like to trade steph and watch him play elsewhere in order to get a few years' head start on the rebuild? Hoping for a few extra picks, as well?

I'll pass but I understand the sentiment. For me, watching steph play in another jersey far outweighs the theoretical benefit of starting the suck now.

i see it as offering him a chance to win one more, by also helping the rebuild

but it's up to him.

[EvanZ]

We're going after Bobby Portis apparently.

[Onus]

We're going after Bobby Portis apparently.

We'd have to convince him to opt out and then sign him for the full tpmle? or do you think we do a S&T? Would love to trade TJD for him. Guess we can tell him that he would be the starting center.

Curry/JK/JB/Dray/Portis?

I read somewhere Kerr really liked Portis on team USA.

[EvanZ]

We're going after Bobby Portis apparently.

We'd have to convince him to opt out and then sign him for the full tpmle? or do you think we do a S&T? Would love to trade TJD for him. Guess we can tell him that he would be the starting center.

Curry/JK/JB/Dray/Portis?

I read somewhere Kerr really liked Portis on team USA.

Hard to see how he could be a center with so little rim protection. I think Draymond would still be the de facto center in any lineup with those two on the court. I'm not opposed to Portis in general, but I don't think it saves Draymond much grind.

[Onus]

We're going after Bobby Portis apparently.

We'd have to convince him to opt out and then sign him for the full tpmle? or do you think we do a S&T? Would love to trade TJD for him. Guess we can tell him that he would be the starting center.

Curry/JK/JB/Dray/Portis?

I read somewhere Kerr really liked Portis on team USA.

Hard to see how he could be a center with so little rim protection. I think Draymond would still be the de facto center in any lineup with those two on the court. I'm not opposed to Portis in general, but I don't think it saves Draymond much grind.

Let Portis bang with centers while letting Dray guard the weaker offensive player so he can roam and be the rim protector?

So like against minnesota, let Portis guard Randle and then Dray guards Rudy and Ant at the rim. Against OKC if they play their double big we can let Portis guard iHart and Dray guard Chet or probably the other way around since ihart is closer to the rim. Against Hou let Portis guard Adams and then Dray guards Sengun. I think it just gives us some better matchups against double big lineups.

[vvoland]

We'd have to convince him to opt out and then sign him for the full tpmle? or do you think we do a S&T? Would love to trade TJD for him. Guess we can tell him that he would be the starting center.

Curry/JK/JB/Dray/Portis?

I read somewhere Kerr really liked Portis on team USA.

Hard to see how he could be a center with so little rim protection. I think Draymond would still be the de facto center in any lineup with those two on the court. I'm not opposed to Portis in general, but I don't think it saves Draymond much grind.

Let Portis bang with centers while letting Dray guard the weaker offensive player so he can roam and be the rim protector?

So like against minnesota, let Portis guard Randle and then Dray guards Rudy and Ant at the rim. Against OKC if they play their double big we can let Portis guard iHart and Dray guard Chet or probably the other way around since ihart is closer to the rim. Against Hou let Portis guard Adams and then Dray guards Sengun. I think it just gives us some better matchups against double big lineups.

Portis makes 13.4M next year. Moody and TJD would match salary, i believe. If bobby doesn't opt out, sure. If he does, why would he take 5M to play here?

[whatisacenter]

Hard to see how he could be a center with so little rim protection. I think Draymond would still be the de facto center in any lineup with those two on the court. I'm not opposed to Portis in general, but I don't think it saves Draymond much grind.

Let Portis bang with centers while letting Dray guard the weaker offensive player so he can roam and be the rim protector?

So like against minnesota, let Portis guard Randle and then Dray guards Rudy and Ant at the rim. Against OKC if they play their double big we can let Portis guard iHart and Dray guard Chet or probably the other way around since ihart is closer to the rim. Against Hou let Portis guard Adams and then Dray guards Sengun. I think it just gives us some better matchups against double big lineups.

Portis makes 13.4M next year. Moody and TJD would match salary, i believe. If bobby doesn't opt out, sure. If he does, why would he take 5M to play here?

Is there anything more than the wire tap article from Jake Fisher on Portis to the Warriors?

Doesn’t seem like a likely move to me, considering our salary cap and players on our roster

[EvanZ]

Let Portis bang with centers while letting Dray guard the weaker offensive player so he can roam and be the rim protector?

So like against minnesota, let Portis guard Randle and then Dray guards Rudy and Ant at the rim. Against OKC if they play their double big we can let Portis guard iHart and Dray guard Chet or probably the other way around since ihart is closer to the rim. Against Hou let Portis guard Adams and then Dray guards Sengun. I think it just gives us some better matchups against double big lineups.

Portis makes 13.4M next year. Moody and TJD would match salary, i believe. If bobby doesn't opt out, sure. If he does, why would he take 5M to play here?

Is there anything more than the wire tap article from Jake Fisher on Portis to the Warriors?

Doesn’t seem like a likely move to me, considering our salary cap and players on our roster

I've seen 100-page megathreads built off less solid intel It's the offseason bro!

[azwfan]

Maybe Milwaukee wants JK

[xdrta+]

Is there anything more than the wire tap article from Jake Fisher on Portis to the Warriors?

Doesn’t seem like a likely move to me, considering our salary cap and players on our roster

I've seen 100-page megathreads built off less solid intel It's the offseason bro!

Exactly right. Fischer's comment "Golden State has always been a team to monitor for Portis..." because Kerr was a fan, turn into headlines like, "Warriors Are Reportedly Interested In Bucks' Power Forward"