Around the NBA - Conference Finals and Finals

[MrDollarBills]

A complete and utter joke, even if you don't like Obi you have to understand that getting back nothing isn't helpful. Those picks do nothing for us right now, while the Pacers got a role player out of it. It's absolutely hilarious how we'll have people complain about the bench while not making the connection to how dumb it was to give away a player for nothing.

Was that trade somehow necessary in terms of dumping salary?

This is the only reason that trade was "necessary".

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@KnickFilmSkool
"According to league sources who were present, once the final buzzer sounded Toppin aired his grievances to Thibodeau. The 24-year-old wants to play, and he wants to win. That evening, neither happened.

"An intense verbal altercation occurred between the player and coach as the group trekked to the Kaseya Center visiting locker room in Miami. It spilled into the postgame meeting once the doors closed."

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Obi was cooking exactly like he is now in the finals.... But Thibs inexplicably pulled him and wouldn't let him play.

Just my conjecture filled opinion, but I have to think how things deteriorated with Obi was a strike against Tom well before we started this season.

Having to give away an athletic rotation forward on a cheap deal that can space for nothing is sheer malpractice. The front office cannot have been happy about that.

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[Clyde_Style]

Was that trade somehow necessary in terms of dumping salary?

This is the only reason that trade was "necessary".

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"According to league sources who were present, once the final buzzer sounded Toppin aired his grievances to Thibodeau. The 24-year-old wants to play, and he wants to win. That evening, neither happened.

"An intense verbal altercation occurred between the player and coach as the group trekked to the Kaseya Center visiting locker room in Miami. It spilled into the postgame meeting once the doors closed."

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Obi was cooking exactly like he is now in the finals.... But Thibs inexplicably pulled him and wouldn't let him play.

Just my conjecture filled opinion, but I have to think how things deteriorated with Obi was a strike against Tom well before we started this season.

Having to give away an athletic rotation forward on a cheap deal that can space for nothing is sheer malpractice. The front office cannot have been happy about that.

Obi was banging threes during the few minutes he was on the court while Randle was racking up historically bad stats. It was malpractice

[ctorres]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales

Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

[Guano]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales

Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

The window is open for a min... until wemby takes over.

[3toheadmelo]

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[Capn'O]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales

Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

Kids will grow up doing Jim Carrey routines

[RHODEY]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales
Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

The window is open for a min... until wemby takes over.

Wemby is 7'4" and growing, its rare guys that tall have big windows of opportunity. Not wishing anything bad on him but for him sooner is way better than later.

[ctorres]

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[Besart19]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales

Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

this is because of the stars and agents asking for mad amount of salaries

Jordan had seasons with 3M of salary... how can you get a Rodman, Kukoc, Harper, Kerr and Longley when you have a Jordan and Pippen nowdays?... thats why the way Detroit, San Antonio, post Lebron Heat, Bucks and Indiana have been built in the last two decades make more sense

[Iron Mantis]

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nice find

[MrDollarBills]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales

Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

Talent still matters, but coaching, strategy and depth are now more critical than ever.

[MrDollarBills]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales

Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

this is because of the stars and agents asking for mad amount of salaries

Jordan had seasons with 3M of salary... how can you get a Rodman, Kukoc, Harper, Kerr and Longley when you have a Jordan and Pippen nowdays?... thats why the way Detroit, San Antonio, post Lebron Heat, Bucks and Indiana have been built in the last two decades make more sense

I was curious so I looked

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1996.html#all_salaries2

All those guys made salaries all nearly close to each other from 1 to 3 mil range. Steve Kerr was making 800k. Kukoc made more than Pippen.


But to your point:

It might make sense long term to trade one of the big contracts (Mikal) for depth.

[Adelheid]

i remember pippen salary being just 2m per

hard to maintain 3 allstar salaries in current cba landscape without them affecting roleplayer depth and luxury tax. Either trade towns or mikal for depth

[3toheadmelo]

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Wingo catching a stray

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[HEZI]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales

Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

Talent still matters, but coaching, strategy and depth are now more critical than ever.

Quality depth matters though. When we say talent we need to factor that into depth because teams aren’t just relying on a weak bench

This dude has been a huge reason for the Pacers success

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You can’t just rely on a weak bench to just hold it down while the starters rest but you need at least a really good 6th man who can carry an offense for stretches

We haven’t had that off the bench since JR Smith. Some will say we had IQ but he was so awful in the playoffs and just wasn’t that guy

[thebuzzardman]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales

Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

Talent still matters, but coaching, strategy and depth are now more critical than ever.

When Detroit won with Sheed, Wallace, Billups etc it was going to "change everything" but then it didn't.

Sometimes a team wins.

[HEZI]

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kind of a good point made

if the Pacers win, it will be interesting how it impacts the NBA as a whole

if you're a 50 win team, even if you don't have home court advantage from the Semis onward, you could win a championship with the right coaching staff and roster

more pressure on GM's and Team Presidents to make good decisions in team building.

you still need all-stars (and borderline all-stars or high level players), but superstars aren't tipping the scales

Owners are going to be less likely to buy excuses

Talent still matters, but coaching, strategy and depth are now more critical than ever.

When Detroit won with Sheed, Wallace, Billups etc it was going to "change everything" but then it didn't.

Sometimes a team wins.

It’s a copy cat league. They always copy what the last champ did until the next new champ then they become the blueprint until the next new champ

All it takes is one team to do it their way then they become the blueprint

[thebuzzardman]

Talent still matters, but coaching, strategy and depth are now more critical than ever.

When Detroit won with Sheed, Wallace, Billups etc it was going to "change everything" but then it didn't.

Sometimes a team wins.

It’s a copy cat league. They always copy what the last champ did until the next new champ then they become the blueprint until the next new champ

All it takes is one team to do it their way then they become the blueprint

No one "blueprinted" that Detroit team.

Sometimes a team wins because they have enough talent. It could be concentrated in more players or spread out.

A good bench doesn't matter if the starting 5 isn't good enough
A great starting 5 might not matter if the bench sucks.

People always trying to create some narrative or trend. Sometimes stuff just "is"



If the Pacers win, it isn't changing anything.

Oh, maybe it'll keep teams from hiring coaches like everyone's beloved Thibs, who'd only play 8 guys all year.

[thebuzzardman]

I remember how everyone copied those Spurs teams and every team looked for a generational talent at PF/C and there were 29 other Manu Ginobelli's running around.