It is absoloutely Negligent of the Milwaukee Bucks to not field Giannis offers

[doogie_hauser]

I know I saw some fans offer Mitchell Robinson plus Josh Hart and a 1st for him!!

Same Knicks fans who think they have the most talented and stacked roster in the NBAb

#DelusionalPearlers

[Lalouie]

it would be negligent not to feed the monster

trading in one lexus for 17 yugo's and an endless supply of future yugo's don't make your life better

[Fairview4Life]

They should never trade him unless he wants to be traded. He scored 60 **** points in a title clinching game. What are we even talking about here. He has a title, is paid 10’s of millions of dollars a year to play a sport, and seems to want to be there.

[th87]

Look I agree they shouldn't move him if he wants to stay but he clearly doesn't want to stay and the Bucks after the Dame injury are not going to be very good next season.

Listen, guys, he clearly doesn't want to stay. He only met w/ the Bucks during the combine & reaffirmed he was happy w/ no trade request (per Jim O of the Milwaukee Journal), he's liking tweets saying he's staying, saying he wants to win a championship w/ the Bucks & mocked Shams.

But Shams produced vague language like "open-mindedness" from "league sources" (rival execs), on a network that's been wrong for 6 yrs on this, so that supersedes concrete reports & Giannis' own actions. How some are so easily manipulated by corporate media is scary.

Hey now, don't forget he had an AMA in which he admitted liking Florida!!

[Sixers in 4]

Look I agree they shouldn't move him if he wants to stay but he clearly doesn't want to stay and the Bucks after the Dame injury are not going to be very good next season.

Listen, guys, he clearly doesn't want to stay. He only met w/ the Bucks during the combine & reaffirmed he was happy w/ no trade request (per Jim O of the Milwaukee Journal), he's liking tweets saying he's staying, saying he wants to win a championship w/ the Bucks & mocked Shams.

But Shams produced vague language like "open-mindedness" from "league sources" (rival execs), on a network that's been wrong for 6 yrs on this, so that supersedes concrete reports & Giannis' own actions. How some are so easily manipulated by corporate media is scary.

Hey now, don't forget he had an AMA in which he admitted liking Florida!!

Portland said the same thing about Dame.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2302713&start=80

He's all in less than a year traded. How many times do you have to go through this before fans figure this out. Giannis wants to win it's almost impossible for the Bucks to build a contender with their asset pool. He is likely to leave next year prepare yourself for it. Or not.

Feel free to bump my take in a year if you want.

[JKiddy]

This is a very weird situation. But, you are correct as it has some similarities to Dame.

Dame had no chance to win a title in Portland and he wanted out, rightfully so. Dame waited too long.

Garnett waited too long and was lucky he got a title in BOS when he was older.

Giannis has a chance now to leave for greener pastures. He can likely compete if he is traded to another Eastern Conference team with more assets in younger more promising players, more draft capital, and a nicer, new city.

It is an internal conflict. He can stay where he is and try to find happiness and accept he cannot compete for a title if he stays in MIL probably ever again. They likely are a play-in team with the current roster options for next season without their own pick. This is why it is in the best interest for both he and the franchise to part ways.

Why?

He gets a chance at a title AND still has value as he is 31. He can likely help MIL restart the franchise.

Look at what Durant got BK. Look at what Bridges got BK. Look at the assets BK has now.

Look at what OKC got for Westbrook and PG! Look at that HOU got for Harden!

Dame is definitely a problem. But, if you trade Giannis first and get say 6 1sts and two expirings with one young solid stud to build around. Then you can use say 2 of the worst 1sts to give to another team to take Dame off your hands and get a nice role player or overlooked guy and then you are already light years ahead of PHX who will now be stuck in mediocrity unless they get a King's Ransom for a 37 year old KD.

Logically you move off Giannis now before the draft or midseason before he gets injured or starts to decline in say 1-3 seasons and is then 33/34 and not worth as much. Teams want to have a player for a 4-5 year run to grow together. That is why this choice is crucial.

[Lalouie]

They should never trade him unless he wants to be traded. He scored 60 **** points in a title clinching game. What are we even talking about here. He has a title, is paid 10’s of millions of dollars a year to play a sport, and seems to want to be there.

he changes the floor. teams have to account for him, plan for him. in other words the bucks have other teams by their balzac

[RRyder823]

Gotta love the comparisons to Dame and KG while leaving out a pretty distinct difference

Ya'll keep hope alive for next offseason because I fully believe hes gonna turn down that supermax extension to play for your team

That said I know im yelling in an empty room right now cause litterally no matter what people are gonna convince themselves "he doesn't want out today but tommorow.........."

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[Bernman]

Listen, guys, he clearly doesn't want to stay. He only met w/ the Bucks during the combine & reaffirmed he was happy w/ no trade request (per Jim O of the Milwaukee Journal), he's liking tweets saying he's staying, saying he wants to win a championship w/ the Bucks & mocked Shams.

But Shams produced vague language like "open-mindedness" from "league sources" (rival execs), on a network that's been wrong for 6 yrs on this, so that supersedes concrete reports & Giannis' own actions. How some are so easily manipulated by corporate media is scary.

Hey now, don't forget he had an AMA in which he admitted liking Florida!!

Portland said the same thing about Dame.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2302713&start=80

He's all in less than a year traded. How many times do you have to go through this before fans figure this out. Giannis wants to win it's almost impossible for the Bucks to build a contender with their asset pool. He is likely to leave next year prepare yourself for it. Or not.

Feel free to bump my take in a year if you want.

Feel free to keep moving the goal posts for God knows how many yrs in a row at that point. The vast majority of players don't spend their entire career with a team. So you can be wrong in like 10 straight predictions, then say see I told you so, on the 10th time (if that even happens).

Your putting more stock in saying he likes Florida after his hometown (so excluding Milwaukee/Athens) & jokes in a Bucks' post-game presser that he wants foreign stars in big markets knowing that's what the media does was sure something.

[shmeakone]

Giannis needs to stop thinking he owes the Bucks anything else at this point. You’re not maximising your legacy there anymore.

[Packbuckman]

Dam all these doomsday comments are just too funny the bucks have a 1st rd pick next year even if it’s a swap dame will be back and with his work ethic I don’t doubt he will still be a good player. Giannis with shooters will make the playoffs next year and I am betting his best year to date pg Giannis for a season while Dame is out. How Bucks fans feel about Giannis is much more than just as a player others fans don’t realize that we want him to retire a buck. Who gives a **** if we suck for years after he retires.

[DusterBuster]

As a neutral party fan who has no real rooting interest one way or another for Giannis to stay or go and as a fan of a team that has no real shot or even interesting in trading for him, I have to agree with the title of this post.

The time to get absolute max value for him is now. Still can get good value in a year or two, but moving him now and starting a full rebuild this summer is what they should do. They just can’t really rebuild the roster around him realistically in the next 2 years.

[azcatz11]

Giannis needs to stop thinking he owes the Bucks anything else at this point. You’re not maximising your legacy there anymore.

Do you think he cares about maximizing his legacy or whatever that means? He already has a championship. If he didn't have one - sure I would agree but who cares. He has built a life in Milwaukee and I guarantee you the last thing he's thinking is what nerds like us or that fatty Windhorst create out of thin air.

[th87]

This is a very weird situation. But, you are correct as it has some similarities to Dame.

Dame had no chance to win a title in Portland and he wanted out, rightfully so. Dame waited too long.

Garnett waited too long and was lucky he got a title in BOS when he was older.

Giannis has a chance now to leave for greener pastures. He can likely compete if he is traded to another Eastern Conference team with more assets in younger more promising players, more draft capital, and a nicer, new city.

It is an internal conflict. He can stay where he is and try to find happiness and accept he cannot compete for a title if he stays in MIL probably ever again. They likely are a play-in team with the current roster options for next season without their own pick. This is why it is in the best interest for both he and the franchise to part ways.

Why?

He gets a chance at a title AND still has value as he is 31. He can likely help MIL restart the franchise.

Look at what Durant got BK. Look at what Bridges got BK. Look at the assets BK has now.

Look at what OKC got for Westbrook and PG! Look at that HOU got for Harden!

Dame is definitely a problem. But, if you trade Giannis first and get say 6 1sts and two expirings with one young solid stud to build around. Then you can use say 2 of the worst 1sts to give to another team to take Dame off your hands and get a nice role player or overlooked guy and then you are already light years ahead of PHX who will now be stuck in mediocrity unless they get a King's Ransom for a 37 year old KD.

Logically you move off Giannis now before the draft or midseason before he gets injured or starts to decline in say 1-3 seasons and is then 33/34 and not worth as much. Teams want to have a player for a 4-5 year run to grow together. That is why this choice is crucial.

The Bucks DGAF about fast-tracking themselves to become a treadmill team like Toronto or Orlando, and especially not at the expense of the best thing that has ever happened to them.

Sucking hopelessly isn't much worse than being a middling non-contender.

[th87]

Giannis needs to stop thinking he owes the Bucks anything else at this point. You’re not maximising your legacy there anymore.

He wanted Griffin hired over Atkinson and Jrue traded. So he owns this as much as anyone and lacks the American selfishness to walk away from messes of his creation.

[th87]

As a neutral party fan who has no real rooting interest one way or another for Giannis to stay or go and as a fan of a team that has no real shot or even interesting in trading for him, I have to agree with the title of this post.

The time to get absolute max value for him is now. Still can get good value in a year or two, but moving him now and starting a full rebuild this summer is what they should do. They just can’t really rebuild the roster around him realistically in the next 2 years.

What you fail to understand is that Giannis is an icon and means more to Milwaukee and Wisconsin than just a basketball asset. He's a once-in-a-lifetime lucky break in a league that wants to see the Bucks fail. You don't sell miracles like that early so you can have some 47 win seasons with a team full of Danny Grangers and Tobias Harrises. You ride that into the ground and whatever happens happens.

[Chuck Everett]

This seems like people (and the media) just really don't want to have a reason to watch the Milwaukee Bucks next season. Similar to how they treat Charlotte, Washington and Utah. Like if Giannis is gone, the Bucks can just fall to the dregs of the league and we don't have to pay any attention to them for the next 3-5 years.

I can understand why Bucks' fans don't want to sign up for that. Brooklyn having assets is also news to me. I'd say their best asset right now is Jordi Fernandez (coach).

[DusterBuster]

As a neutral party fan who has no real rooting interest one way or another for Giannis to stay or go and as a fan of a team that has no real shot or even interesting in trading for him, I have to agree with the title of this post.

The time to get absolute max value for him is now. Still can get good value in a year or two, but moving him now and starting a full rebuild this summer is what they should do. They just can’t really rebuild the roster around him realistically in the next 2 years.

What you fail to understand is that Giannis is an icon and means more to Milwaukee and Wisconsin than just a basketball asset. He's a once-in-a-lifetime lucky break in a league that wants to see the Bucks fail. You don't sell miracles like that early so you can have some 47 win seasons with a team full of Danny Grangers and Tobias Harrises. You ride that into the ground and whatever happens happens.

No, I absolutely FULLY FULLY FULLY understand it. Seeing as I'm Blazers fan and Milwaukee currently has the last player to represent Portland and the state of Oregon in the same way, I understand it absolutely completely.

I also look back on when I had that same stance with Dame and regret the Blazers not being more proactive to trade Dame before he asked out in 2020/2021 season when the roster was clearly getting to a point of no return for being able to be rebuilt around him.

So appreciate you trying to tell me what I do and don't understand, but you're **** wrong.

Additionally, if the Bucks were to move Giannis now, and given the state of the Eastern conference, there's a real chance they could be back in the thick of the EC Playoffs immediately after the deal post-Giannis given with what they would get back (plus replenish their depleted draft capital).

[pepe1991]

All these people just want Giannis on their team for pennies on the dollar.

This guy went on a diatribe about how stupid everyone else is, including the Bucks if they don't trade him. And this was his genius trade proposal to save the Bucks franchise.

Just trade Giannis to Houston and get some Brooks, Jabari, Sheppard,picks back, at least you will have some future. Something. Right now it's less than nothing. It's empty space and 5-7 years until you can even start rebuild. Basically looking toward decade of existence in vacuum.

Yea, because you have so much young talent and will get so much in upcoming drafts due all the draft stock you have like... oh wait...

2026 pick swap to Pelicans
2027 pick swap to Pelicans
2028 pick swap with Blazers
2029 unprotected pick gone
2030 pick swap with Blazers


Sheppard and Jabari are young former 3# picks + Rockets have 2026 pick swap with Nets, unprotected Suns pick in 2027.

That is type of trade that would give Bucks some hope of any future.

What is your alternative? Giannis, Kuzma and 3 vet minimum guys in fight for 32 wins and looming rebuild that can't start until 2031?

Look, Bucks are irrelevant despite fact they have top 4 player. That's how terrible situation around Giannis is. There is no quick fixes that can save roster because you can't escape Lillard's contract, you can get disabled player provision but what are you doing with it? Getting Trent back? Still will probably lose Brook and need to overpay Portis just to keep him.
There is no wiggle room left to do anything but tear down.

You don't like my trade? Fine. Don't need to take it personal. Feel free to propose your trade ideas. Either way there are only 2 scenarios:
1) Giannis stays and Bucks are fringe play in team for years to come as he declines and team is irrelevant
2) Giannis is gone, team is irrelevant but at least you can build something and maybe some of assets turns into great player

[th87]

As a neutral party fan who has no real rooting interest one way or another for Giannis to stay or go and as a fan of a team that has no real shot or even interesting in trading for him, I have to agree with the title of this post.

The time to get absolute max value for him is now. Still can get good value in a year or two, but moving him now and starting a full rebuild this summer is what they should do. They just can’t really rebuild the roster around him realistically in the next 2 years.

What you fail to understand is that Giannis is an icon and means more to Milwaukee and Wisconsin than just a basketball asset. He's a once-in-a-lifetime lucky break in a league that wants to see the Bucks fail. You don't sell miracles like that early so you can have some 47 win seasons with a team full of Danny Grangers and Tobias Harrises. You ride that into the ground and whatever happens happens.

No, I absolutely FULLY FULLY FULLY understand it. Seeing as I'm Blazers fan and Milwaukee currently has the last player to represent Portland and the state of Oregon in the same way, I understand it absolutely completely.

I also look back on when I had that same stance with Dame and regret the Blazers not being more proactive to trade Dame before he asked out in 2020/2021 season when the roster was clearly getting to a point of no return for being able to be rebuilt around him.

So appreciate you trying to tell me what I do and don't understand, but you're **** wrong.

Additionally, if the Bucks were to move Giannis now, and given the state of the Eastern conference, there's a real chance they could be back in the thick of the EC Playoffs immediately after the deal post-Giannis given with what they would get back (plus replenish their depleted draft capital).

Then that means they can do it with Giannis and role players too.

The 2019 60-win team featured Giannis and Middleton, plus afterthoughts like Bledsoe, Lopez (who no one wanted), Brogdon (a second rounder), and Connaughton (also who no one wanted).

Going back to this rather than overpaying for names might work.