The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[lilfishi22]

I don’t hate it

They get money quicker with Beal off in 2027

This was proposed on the trade board before, for those interested in looking at the responses:

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PG is the worst contract in the league. Not Beal.

I think it goes

1A: Embiid (Who know what he'll look like when he comes back, if he comes back. His 3 year $193m extension doesn't even begin until the following season)
1B: PG (He's 35, had by far his worst season since he early career and will be 37 before his final salary at $36.5m comes off the books)
1C: Beal (NTC, $57m next year but will be an expiring and dare I say, still an effective player, although not impactful on the Suns)

[SkyBill40]

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So Gambo is going to be wrong again!!! Dude just throws every possible thing out there and is like 8% in his career. I trust Angel Reese with a layup more than Gambo

The ol' Texas sharpshooter. Just blasting away at everything and hoping he doesn't run out of ammo.

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[lilfishi22]

Gobert/Dillingham/picks and potentially more from a third/fourth team.

Green is a non-starter IMO.

Gobert is a non-starter

You want Green over a DPOTY center?

Yes. Quite easily. Green at 23 and with a $33.3m salary will be easier to move onto a 3rd team. Gobert at 33 and $35m will be harder to move and will be harder to extract value from. I'm also not particularly high on Dillingham as an undersized scorer who can't defend - just doesn't have a ton of value in my books.

I'd much prefer taking a punt with Houston and the potential picks package and players like Jabari and/or Whitmore.

[lilfishi22]

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How did Flex finesse his way onto a news show lol

[lilfishi22]

I wonder what Kd could get us from the Celtics

For me, it'll start with Payton Pritchard. But Boston is tough, they will be further into the 2nd apron next season than we were this season. This is why they are looking to offload salary. I also don't think they want KD.

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That's a perfect deal for the Suns but the Spurs get fleeced and I don't see them doing that trade especially trading #2.

[garrick]

https://rg.org/news/basketball/sources-spurs-unlikely-to-land-kevin-durant-pick-harper-no-2

It's highly likely we may just need to treat KD as an expiring next season.

At the very least we won't take back longer worse deals and we can do a full rebuild once Beal's contract is off the books. Sad state of affairs but I think we should not get too hung up on possible KD deals as his age and injury history will make teams balk at giving up valuable assets for him.

If they really want him they can wait until his contract expires and sign him to a much cheaper deal without giving up anything in return.

[Saberestar]

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Gambo says here that the Suns and KD's people have been talking with these teams:

Spurs
Rockets
Heat
Wolves
Raptors
Clippers

He says that there are another team or two that are interested in KD and want to make an offer for him or to be part of the trade as a third or fourth team.

He remarks that KD hasn't said anything like "I want to play for only this team" or something like that and there are multiple teams that want to trade for him without his extension because they would get his Bird Rights and they would try to won him during the year.

[Saberestar]

I want to make a comparison about potential packages from the most possible destinations for KD.

Most possible outcome is to get TWO starters/ high rotation players and then draft capital/youngsters.

Who are potentially those two players?

Spurs: Vassell and Sochan. (Barnes filler)
Rockets: Jalen Green and Jabari Smith.
Wolves: Gobert and DiVincenzo.
Heat: Wiggins and Jovic. (Duncan filler)
Raptors: Barret and Poetl.
Clippers: Powell and Derrick Jones Jr

First...I don't believe the Clippers include Zubac in the trade, but I wouldn't be shocked if he is finally offered to the Suns.

Second... I like the Raptors players because of their combination of age/health, talent and two-way potential.

Gambo said that the Heat's offer is probably the worse offer from all the teams trying to get KD. I agree because I am not a fan of Wiggins.

Regarding the Wolves...IF the Wolves add Dillingham + #17 + multiple swaps and 2nds that offer gets significantly better for the Suns.

[Slim Charless]

Exactly!
My point being that KD as a 54 million expiring contract is an optimal trade off for their critical financial needs to ge able to keep their core together.

Not to mention that with all of their young players and picks, they'll need to let some go or consolidate either young players and / or picks in trades just to he able to open up more roster spots for all of their incoming prospects and players as roster limits are capped at 15.

KD is an ideal situation for them to boost their ceiling outcome in the short term while also being able to massively reduce their cap too. This being critical to try and afford keeping their core and key players together past next season.

And they gave so many picks they'll need to also consolidate that they wouldn't even flinch at the idea of surrendering two or three for KD.

What do you think is the 3 best of all of their future picks? I think its the Philly pick next season (top 4 protect) and that Clipper swap in 27. I would've had the 28 Dallas pick in there, but not any more obviously. Maybe that Utah top 8 protected as well next yr?

What do you think...

I think those that you mentioned are the most accurate premium value picks. I might ask for only 1-2 out of those though. A picks inclusion for me would likely be:

15th pick (MIA)/ 24th pick (LAC)/ Philly 26' 1st (Top 4 protected). OR else the Utah 26' 1st (Top 8 protected).

Overall the value of the Philly, Utah, and Dallas 1sts should be sequenced as:

1- Philly 26' 1st (1-4 protected).
2- Utah 26' 1st ( 1- 8 protected).
3- Dallas 28' 1st ( unprotected).

So. A theoretical trade of KD for Hartenstein, Dieng, filler and maybe the Philly pick? I think thats a little light-if what we think the KD market "could" be so I would want Caruso too. I love the idea of him as PG next to Booker as he's a legit killer on D.

Caruso
Booker/Beal
Dunn
Dieing/Oso
Hartenstein/Richards

Is pretty good on D. Scoring outside of Booke would be a problem but I like Dieng's potential to at least be a good passer and facilitator. We take a PG to play behind Caruso maybe. Move Greyson for picks...?

Edit: We can also take their young guys that will be up for contracts soon. But there its different as I think we need real players as we won't get our picks back from Houston in this situation. Plus idk know how they value Wiggins, Joe, Warren and Topic.

[Slim Charless]

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Gambo says here that the Suns and KD's people have been talking with these teams:

Spurs
Rockets
Heat
Wolves
Raptors
Clippers

He says that there are another team or two that are interested in KD and want to make an offer for him or to be part of the trade as a third or fourth team.

He remarks that KD hasn't said anything like "I want to play for only this team" or something like that and there are multiple teams that want to trade for him without his extension because they would get his Bird Rights and they would try to won him during the year.

That's the best news we could hope for. The Giannis situation beats watching but that doesn't matter as much since the teams that can't afford the CRAZY price for him will come to us. That's even if he wants to leave and it doesn't sound like he does for the moment.

There's a legit chance we can get some serious stuff if Ish doesn't blow this.....

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Saberestar]

Darren Wolfson (Beat reporter from the Wolves):

"

I will read it verbatim, I'm hearing Minnesota is very much in play [for Kevin Durant]"

OK, it seems that the Wolves are getting serious about trading for KD.

They can offer this package and it's pretty solid:

Gobert ($35M)
DiVincenzo ($11M)
Dillingham ($6.5M)
#17
#31
2028 swap.
2029 2nd.

I would try to trade DiVincenzo to a third team for another young player or a PF. But that's another story.

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[Ryu]

Could Rob Dillingham be our new KJ? Half serious but similar built, a scoring PG, in his second season after underwhelming rookie one...

[Ghost of Kleine]

What do you think is the 3 best of all of their future picks? I think its the Philly pick next season (top 4 protect) and that Clipper swap in 27. I would've had the 28 Dallas pick in there, but not any more obviously. Maybe that Utah top 8 protected as well next yr?

What do you think...

I think those that you mentioned are the most accurate premium value picks. I might ask for only 1-2 out of those though. A picks inclusion for me would likely be:

15th pick (MIA)/ 24th pick (LAC)/ Philly 26' 1st (Top 4 protected). OR else the Utah 26' 1st (Top 8 protected).

Overall the value of the Philly, Utah, and Dallas 1sts should be sequenced as:

1- Philly 26' 1st (1-4 protected).
2- Utah 26' 1st ( 1- 8 protected).
3- Dallas 28' 1st ( unprotected).

So. A theoretical trade of KD for Hartenstein, Dieng, filler and maybe the Philly pick? I think thats a little light-if what we think the KD market "could" be so I would want Caruso too. I love the idea of him as PG next to Booker as he's a legit killer on D.

Caruso
Booker/Beal
Dunn
Dieing/Oso
Hartenstein/Richards

Is pretty good on D. Scoring outside of Booke would be a problem but I like Dieng's potential to at least be a good passer and facilitator. We take a PG to play behind Caruso maybe. Move Greyson for picks...?

Edit: We can also take their young guys that will be up for contracts soon. But there its different as I think we need real players as we won't get our picks back from Houston in this situation. Plus idk know how they value Wiggins, Joe, Warren and Topic.

Yes! Absolutely right man!
Hartenstein/ Caruso/ Dieng/ 15th pick/ 24th pick/ Philly 26' 1st (Top 4 protected) or else UTA 26' 1st (Top 8 protected).

And OKC would still be ok because they'd have Dort, Wallace, Joe who are all solid defenders too. And having those specific picks would set us up pretty good until around 27' when Booker likely asks out. Or we make other moves to acquire more picks as Beal's money comes off our books too.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[KdoubleDees23]

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That's a perfect deal for the Suns but the Spurs get fleeced and I don't see them doing that trade especially trading #2.

TBH this draft isn't that great. #2 can be a bust, #8 can be a bust or reach for next star.

I think this is a great trade for all parties.

[Bogyo]

I want to make a comparison about potential packages from the most possible destinations for KD.

Most possible outcome is to get TWO starters/ high rotation players and then draft capital/youngsters.

Who are potentially those two players?

Spurs: Vassell and Sochan. (Barnes filler)
Rockets: Jalen Green and Jabari Smith.
Wolves: Gobert and DiVincenzo.
Heat: Wiggins and Jovic. (Duncan filler)
Raptors: Barret and Poetl.
Clippers: Powell and Derrick Jones Jr

First...I don't believe the Clippers include Zubac in the trade, but I wouldn't be shocked if he is finally offered to the Suns.

Second... I like the Raptors players because of their combination of age/health, talent and two-way potential.

Gambo said that the Heat's offer is probably the worse offer from all the teams trying to get KD. I agree because I am not a fan of Wiggins.

Regarding the Wolves...IF the Wolves add Dillingham + #17 + multiple swaps and 2nds that offer gets significantly better for the Suns.

Basically this is what I was referring to in one of my previous posts. Pretty much all of the trades are equal value, and from these on out the difference is the draft pick(s) or players added, if ther is a bit of a bidding war. After that, really only "in the eye of the beholder" stuff.
I like Barnes as filler, and he could be resigned for a good contract I believe. You have to trade Vassel. Is the 14th coming? Anything else? 2nds? Swaps?
I hate Green, and he has to be traded. What else is coming? I really like(d) Sheppard, Whitmore and Eason, so get one here. Are (our) picks coming back? If one more wing is coming you can trade one of Grayson/O'neale.
Wolves, you have to trade DiVicenzo (or Grayson). Is Dillingham coming? What picks and swaps are coming?
Heat - really meh for me with that. You can/have to trade Grayson/O'neale. What picks are coming back? Can you trade Duncan for anything or resign really cheap? If so maybe you can trade both Grayson and O'neale.
Raptors - OKish with value as its roughly same as others maybe better fit for "win now", but nothing spectacular... who is filler? are there pick(s)?
Clippers - not very good, there has to be some value fillers and picks, and you have to trade 2 of Powerll/DJJ/Greyson/O'neale. Not the end of the world, but not too easy either if you wanna get value. Everybody and their grandmother knows you cant have these 4 plus Book/Beal/Dunn, not enough time in a game for 7 (smaller) wings, even if Dunn and O'neale can masquarade as PFs for some time. But you are very likely not getting good value if you have 7 wings and you "have to" trade 2 of them...

If we manage the devil in these details we can be OK next year. Maybe even snif the play-in, depending on what we get initially and where do we take it from there.

[BobbieL]

I want to make a comparison about potential packages from the most possible destinations for KD.

Most possible outcome is to get TWO starters/ high rotation players and then draft capital/youngsters.

Who are potentially those two players?

Spurs: Vassell and Sochan. (Barnes filler)
Rockets: Jalen Green and Jabari Smith.
Wolves: Gobert and DiVincenzo.
Heat: Wiggins and Jovic. (Duncan filler)
Raptors: Barret and Poetl.
Clippers: Powell and Derrick Jones Jr

First...I don't believe the Clippers include Zubac in the trade, but I wouldn't be shocked if he is finally offered to the Suns.

Second... I like the Raptors players because of their combination of age/health, talent and two-way potential.

Gambo said that the Heat's offer is probably the worse offer from all the teams trying to get KD. I agree because I am not a fan of Wiggins.

Regarding the Wolves...IF the Wolves add Dillingham + #17 + multiple swaps and 2nds that offer gets significantly better for the Suns.

Basically this is what I was referring to in one of my previous posts. Pretty much all of the trades are equal value, and from these on out the difference is the draft pick(s) or players added, if ther is a bit of a bidding war. After that, really only "in the eye of the beholder" stuff.
I like Barnes as filler, and he could be resigned for a good contract I believe. You have to trade Vassel. Is the 14th coming? Anything else? 2nds? Swaps?
I hate Green, and he has to be traded. What else is coming? I really like(d) Sheppard, Whitmore and Eason, so get one here. Are (our) picks coming back? If one more wing is coming you can trade one of Grayson/O'neale.
Wolves, you have to trade DiVicenzo (or Grayson). Is Dillingham coming? What picks and swaps are coming?
Heat - really meh for me with that. You can/have to trade Grayson/O'neale. What picks are coming back? Can you trade Duncan for anything or resign really cheap? If so maybe you can trade both Grayson and O'neale.
Raptors - OKish with value as its roughly same as others maybe better fit for "win now", but nothing spectacular... who is filler? are there pick(s)?
Clippers - not very good, there has to be some value fillers and picks, and you have to trade 2 of Powerll/DJJ/Greyson/O'neale. Not the end of the world, but not too easy either if you wanna get value. Everybody and their grandmother knows you cant have these 4 plus Book/Beal/Dunn, not enough time in a game for 7 (smaller) wings, even if Dunn and O'neale can masquarade as PFs for some time. But you are very likely not getting good value if you have 7 wings and you "have to" trade 2 of them...

If we manage the devil in these details we can be OK next year. Maybe even snif the play-in, depending on what we get initially and where do we take it from there.

Heat -- has to include Ware - which it won't but it would have too
Clippers - Zubac- the rest is not good
Wolves: Gobert, Dillingham and Donte plus 17. Now do I want Gobert -- no. But he would help the defense more than Randle

Rockets and Spurs - we know those teams offers --- don't want Green but probably need him in the deal to flip to a third team

The trade above is actually very good if you can convince the Spurs to drop from 2 to 8 for KD