Shams: New York Knicks Fire Head Coach Tom Thibodeau

[Zenzibar]

Knicks getting these existing coaches paid! I bet all 5 have new extensions because of this. Any chance this is just Rose doing agent friends favours in the event they are likely declined.

Leon Rose, ex-super agent has many, many alliances throughout the NBA, from players, to coaches and even NBA executives.Billy Donovan? A much worse coach than Thibs. Really? Ime Odoka? Houston's savior, really? Chris Finch? Minny is thisclose to reaching another level. Really?

It's so ridiculous that everyone inclusing Charles Barkley just doesn't see the play here.

I'd be super surprise if Johnnie Bryant is not at the helm as he wasn't pick for the Suns job. Personally, I believe the Suns didn't hire Bryant because he is going to NY and they pivoted to Jordan Ott.

[Dominator83]

Oh I love how you waited to pull this out when you literally couldn’t point out any of the awful decisions Thibs made in that series to cost them the first 2 games of that series.

There’s literally no point trying to debate with fans like you.

Do you honestly think the next coach will get them further ? Because if that's the standard, then it's finals or bust. Thibs got as far as possible with that roster. Unless there's a major trade that shakes up the team dynamic, and it's more or less the same roster , i guarantee the new coach won't do better.

It's not just about the FInals my guy. Thibs stubborness with not playing players is cringe and even Mikal called him out about this. For example, Thibs, w not only wouldn't play Obi Toppin while he was here, but would regularly embarrass him in front of fans. Bring him in and take him out after a single bad rotation or if Obi was cooking would turn him off by benching him. Obi was Leon Rose's pick and that wasn't a good look.

Precious Achiuwa was available for a good minutes when KAT would be battling with injuries and fouls but would use Josh Hart until he was running on fumes. Thibs didn't use Shamet or Delon Wright at all, during the Celtics or Detroit series, when they both were playing super well going into the playoffs.

I loved the Thibs hiring, and super appreciative about the culture he helped build. But my man has a history of clashing with either ownership or management throughout his coaching career. It's not just on the sidelines, it's also the collaboration within the organization that ultimately determines the coaches fate.

Ehhh. I've been here 20 years, and I don't think I've ever seen a coach whose fanbase was happy with his rotations.

[Sign5]

Knicks in shambles merely weeks after making it the furthest they've ever been in 25 years. Some things never change

[Charlie Sollers]

Oh I love how you waited to pull this out when you literally couldn’t point out any of the awful decisions Thibs made in that series to cost them the first 2 games of that series.

There’s literally no point trying to debate with fans like you.

Do you honestly think the next coach will get them further ? Because if that's the standard, then it's finals or bust. Thibs got as far as possible with that roster. Unless there's a major trade that shakes up the team dynamic, and it's more or less the same roster , i guarantee the new coach won't do better.

It's not just about the FInals my guy. Thibs stubborness with not playing players is cringe and even Mikal called him out about this. For example, Thibs, w not only wouldn't play Obi Toppin while he was here, but would regularly embarrass him in front of fans. Bring him in and take him out after a single bad rotation or if Obi was cooking would turn him off by benching him. Obi was Leon Rose's pick and that wasn't a good look.

Precious Achiuwa was available for a good minutes when KAT would be battling with injuries and fouls but would use Josh Hart until he was running on fumes. Thibs didn't use Shamet or Delon Wright at all, during the Celtics or Detroit series, when they both were playing super well going into the playoffs.

I loved the Thibs hiring, and super appreciative about the culture he helped build. But my man has a history of clashing with either ownership or management throughout his coaching career. It's not just on the sidelines, it's also the collaboration within the organization that ultimately determines the coaches fate.

100% agree. If the new coach gets to the 2nd round and loses but uses the bench more that should be considered a more successful season than the one Thibs had.

[cgf]

Knicks in shambles merely weeks after making it the furthest they've ever been in 25 years. Some things never change

We've been hearing this for the past 5 years. But this FO continues to do a good job and make good moves. I'm a big Thibs supporter and some of the memes people cling to about him are very annoying, but this FO has earned the benefit of the doubt to see who they get to replace Thibs. Replacing a top 10 coach isn't easy, but it's not impossible.

[Optms]

Knicks in shambles merely weeks after making it the furthest they've ever been in 25 years. Some things never change

We've been hearing this for the past 5 years. But this FO continues to do a good job and make good moves. I'm a big Thibs supporter and some of the memes people cling to about him are very annoying, but this FO has earned the benefit of the doubt to see who they get to replace Thibs. Replacing a top 10 coach isn't easy, but it's not impossible.

Think the problem becomes all this stagnation along with teams declining the Knicks from speaking to their guys. Its starting to become apparent this wasn't thought out or is going how the FO thought it would.

[cgf]

Do you honestly think the next coach will get them further ? Because if that's the standard, then it's finals or bust. Thibs got as far as possible with that roster. Unless there's a major trade that shakes up the team dynamic, and it's more or less the same roster , i guarantee the new coach won't do better.

It's not just about the FInals my guy. Thibs stubborness with not playing players is cringe and even Mikal called him out about this. For example, Thibs, w not only wouldn't play Obi Toppin while he was here, but would regularly embarrass him in front of fans. Bring him in and take him out after a single bad rotation or if Obi was cooking would turn him off by benching him. Obi was Leon Rose's pick and that wasn't a good look.

Precious Achiuwa was available for a good minutes when KAT would be battling with injuries and fouls but would use Josh Hart until he was running on fumes. Thibs didn't use Shamet or Delon Wright at all, during the Celtics or Detroit series, when they both were playing super well going into the playoffs.

I loved the Thibs hiring, and super appreciative about the culture he helped build. But my man has a history of clashing with either ownership or management throughout his coaching career. It's not just on the sidelines, it's also the collaboration within the organization that ultimately determines the coaches fate.

100% agree. If the new coach gets to the 2nd round and loses but uses the bench more that should be considered a more successful season than the one Thibs had.

Thibs bench usage was only a problem for us this year. When we consolidated depth to bolster the starting 5 and our bench was hammered by injuries...Robinson missed ~60 games, Shamet missed ~30, Achiuwa ~20, with Payne & McBride each missing about a dozen. But when they were fit in the playoffs, he gave them enough burn to develop chemistry with the rotation guys...which is why the bench guys were able to step in in the playoffs when called into action.

And Thibs tried playing Toppin & Randle together every year, those lineups just got murdered defensively and Obi's shooting hadn't yet become reliable enough for him to play as a jumbo 3. And if you had to pick one or the other, Julius was clearly better. Indy is just a better fit for Obi and Obi's continued to improve since leaving the knicks...as he had been in NY.

[Longranger]

Knicks in shambles merely weeks after making it the furthest they've ever been in 25 years. Some things never change

Doesn’t bode well for the franchise when options A-G fell through.

[cgf]

Knicks in shambles merely weeks after making it the furthest they've ever been in 25 years. Some things never change

We've been hearing this for the past 5 years. But this FO continues to do a good job and make good moves. I'm a big Thibs supporter and some of the memes people cling to about him are very annoying, but this FO has earned the benefit of the doubt to see who they get to replace Thibs. Replacing a top 10 coach isn't easy, but it's not impossible.

Think the problem becomes all this stagnation along with teams declining the Knicks from speaking to their guys. Its starting to become apparent this wasn't thought out or is going how the FO thought it would.

If you say so. Sounds like our FO doing what they always do, taking their time to explore every option...while doing some favors...before looping back to their preferred option when nothing even better manifests.

[Quattro]

Knicks are just biding their time until the finals are over so they can get permission to hire Daigneault or Carlisle. As always, Dolan is playing chess while the rest of the nba plays checkers!

[cgf]

Knicks are just biding their time until the finals are over so they can get permission to hire Daigneault or Carlisle. As always, Dolan is playing chess while the rest of the nba plays checkers!

Is that really what you got from what I wrote?

[shrink]

On Facebook, I saw a mock news story about Thibs addressing the team after he was fired, and someone expertly faking Karl Anthony Towns voice, which joked he sounded like a 15 year old girl.

Anyone see it, and have a link? I lost it, and can’t seem to find it any more. Thanks in advance for the assist.

[Quattro]

Knicks are just biding their time until the finals are over so they can get permission to hire Daigneault or Carlisle. As always, Dolan is playing chess while the rest of the nba plays checkers!

Is that really what you got from what I wrote?

Didnt realize i quoted you. Apologies.

[BlacJacMac]

Knicks are just biding their time until the finals are over so they can get permission to hire Daigneault or Carlisle. As always, Dolan is playing chess while the rest of the nba plays checkers!

If everyone else is playing checkers and you're playing chess...you're going to lose every time.

[jkvonny]

Knicks are just biding their time until the finals are over so they can get permission to hire Daigneault or Carlisle. As always, Dolan is playing chess while the rest of the nba plays checkers!

[Zenzibar]

It's not just about the FInals my guy. Thibs stubborness with not playing players is cringe and even Mikal called him out about this. For example, Thibs, w not only wouldn't play Obi Toppin while he was here, but would regularly embarrass him in front of fans. Bring him in and take him out after a single bad rotation or if Obi was cooking would turn him off by benching him. Obi was Leon Rose's pick and that wasn't a good look.

Precious Achiuwa was available for a good minutes when KAT would be battling with injuries and fouls but would use Josh Hart until he was running on fumes. Thibs didn't use Shamet or Delon Wright at all, during the Celtics or Detroit series, when they both were playing super well going into the playoffs.

I loved the Thibs hiring, and super appreciative about the culture he helped build. But my man has a history of clashing with either ownership or management throughout his coaching career. It's not just on the sidelines, it's also the collaboration within the organization that ultimately determines the coaches fate.

100% agree. If the new coach gets to the 2nd round and loses but uses the bench more that should be considered a more successful season than the one Thibs had.

Thibs bench usage was only a problem for us this year. When we consolidated depth to bolster the starting 5 and our bench was hammered by injuries...Robinson missed ~60 games, Shamet missed ~30, Achiuwa ~20, with Payne & McBride each missing about a dozen. But when they were fit in the playoffs, he gave them enough burn to develop chemistry with the rotation guys...which is why the bench guys were able to step in in the playoffs when called into action.

And Thibs tried playing Toppin & Randle together every year, those lineups just got murdered defensively and Obi's shooting hadn't yet become reliable enough for him to play as a jumbo 3. And if you had to pick one or the other, Julius was clearly better. Indy is just a better fit for Obi and Obi's continued to improve since leaving the knicks...as he had been in NY.

But do you remember the love affair Thibs had with Burkes, while Quick was never given an early chance to develop?

[Zenzibar]

Noone wonders that it's quite funny that that Knicks are asking about coaches who they absolutely KNOW are not available. like Oduka and Kidd. You know Knicks have a thing about Dallas, i.e. the summer league visit by the team's brass to watch Brunson play.

So they very much publically asking permission to talk to Kidd and others. Thos is just ball-busting, specfic team owners and execs, and I bet you Dolan is having fun with it too.

[___Rand___]

This doesn't really make sense. There are a few available coaches that would be seen as good enough hires.

Unless they go totally off the map, they are going to get someone they can easily spin as quality.

That's what I'm saying - it doesn't make sense that they are publicly going after coaches with current jobs and getting rejected. They are setting the fans up for a less than ideal hire.

You would think they would have a coached lined up already after firing Thibs...the whole thing is a bit bizarre to me. Maybe some handshake negotiations behind the scenes before they canned thibs.

Exactly. I don't think Rose is as stupid as these public rejections are making him look. The man's a successful agent. That takes being a snake to be successful. He's got someone lined up. That person's less than ideal. But when he brings that guy out, he can say Knicks have undertaken an exhaustive search for the best candidate, and this is the best available coach. Don't be surprised at some out of whack hire here.

[Wizop]

They should interview Pacer and Thunder assistants.

[wade44]

Mr potato head and Jenkins? Jenkins is a good coach but perhaps too chill for the demanding New York media and fanbase. Mr potato head not leading the Knicks anywhere lol