The Jeremiah Fears Thread

[JMAC3]

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Stands out how many of these are off the bounce and a good amount of these are from NBA range.

[fatlever]

i asked earlier, but how similar or dissimilar to you view fears to mann?

[JMAC3]

i asked earlier, but how similar or dissimilar to you view fears to mann?

Fears: 6'-2.5 without shoes, 6-5.25 wingspan, 179 lbs-- 18.7 years old
Mann: 6-3.25 without shoes, 6-4 wingspan, 177 lbs-- 20.4 years old

Fears: 36.5 Max Vert
Mann: Unknown

Fears: 17.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.1 bpg, 3.4 tov
Mann (soph):16 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.1 bpg 2.8 tov
Mann(fresh): 5.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg 0.7 apg,0.6 spg, 0.1 bpg, 1.1 tov

Fears: 43.4 FG%, 28.4% three (3.9 att), 85.1% FT (6.3 att) and 56.2% TS
Mann (soph): 45.9 FG%, 40.2% three (4.7 att), 83% FT (3.7 att) and 57.9% TS
Mann(fresh): 35.6 FG%, 27.5% three (2.8 att), 66.5% FT (1 att) and 44.6% TS

Fears: 28.6% ast, 18.3% tov, 0.5 blk%, 3.1% steal%
Mann (soph): 21.9% ast, 17% tov, 0.4 blk%, 2.4 % steal%
Mann(fresh): 7.4% ast, 15.6% tov, 0.4 blk%, 2% steal%

Fears: 4.8 bpm, 3.6 off, 1.2 def. -- Oklahoma #37 offense adjusted efficiency, Oklahoma #69 defensive adjusted efficiency
Mann (soph): 6.3 bpm, 4.3 off, 1.7 def-- Florida #44 offense adjusted efficiency, Florida #39 defensive adjusted efficiency
Mann(fresh): -1.9 bpm, -2.8 off,1.0 def-- Florida #26 offense adjusted efficiency, Florida #60 defensive adjusted efficiency

Fears: 9/10 Dunks, 97/183 Rim, 45/98 mid, 38/134 three (60.5% assisted)
Mann (soph): 0/0 Dunks, 46/77 Rim, 47/111 mid, 47/118 three (31.9% assisted)
Mann(fresh): 0/1 Dunks, 18/30 Rim, 17/52 mid, 22/82 three (54.5% assisted)

The biggest differences to me as prospects
1. Fears is almost 2 years younger than Tre when drafted.
2. Fears slightly bigger, but pretty marginal
3. Both players shot free throw well, see the shot improved a ton for Mann from Fresh to Soph years.
4. Fears got to line a lot more, nearly 2x.
5. Fears more explosive 9 dunks, Mann 1 dunk in 2 years
6. Both players were high turnover, but Fears assist rate 7 pts higher.

[fatlever]

thanks. good breakdown.

[wilson115]

Sam Vecenie from his annual draft guide on Fears:

SUMMARY: I’m going to be lower on Fears than probably anybody in the public sphere, although his stock is much more split among NBA decision-makers than what the public would lead you to believe. At the end of the day, the reason for this is that with small, on-ball-only players — and I believe that’s what he is — you either buy into them as potential All-Star lead guards or you don’t. If you don’t, you probably see them as more likely to be bench scorers, which diminishes their value drastically. Think about how narrow that line is for Collin Sexton, who had a more impressive freshman season at Alabama than Fears did at Oklahoma. Sexton has developed into a lights-out shooter and works hard on defense. But because he’s so small, he isn’t quite good enough as a passer and struggles to defend. He’s never been part of a winning team as a starting guard.

With how I evaluate players and value the ability to dribble, pass, shoot and defend on top of having positional size, Fears ultimately doesn’t clear the line because of his shooting struggles, finishing problems and significant defensive deficiencies. I don’t deny that Fears is likely going to be a productive NBA player at some point. There’s a solid chance he averages more than 17 points and five assists per game eventually. He’s that crafty and skilled as a ballhandler. It’s exceptionally difficult to stay in front of him.

However, I think we’re probably quite a long way away from that occurring given how young he is. More importantly, there is such a narrow path toward winning in the NBA with this type of player in a prominent role. His development essentially has to go perfectly from this point for him to be an All-Star, or else he’s probably coming off the bench on a good team. Maybe he will continue to work his way into being that player, and I’ll look stupid for having him here. It’s entirely possible. Ultimately, though, he is the kind of player that I’m very comfortable missing out on.

This, this right here. Remember, this FO passed on both Clingan and Edey. Two solid traditional big men prospects, yet they went for the project in Salaun because his realistic outcome (big wing able to switch on D and stretch the floor) won't need jumping through hoops to find a role for, instead of tying up cap space on a dinosaur archetype. Like how undersized combo guards who can't shoot/defend went out with Mitch and MJ.

[fatlever]

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[MasterIchiro]

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The upside is undeniable.

I can't reconcile Jeff's hack on Salaün's upside coupled with a total disregard for Fears as the high upside play. Fears is super-skilled. Was not the case with Salaün. Hopefully the shot hits for both should Peterson follow his preference for upside and longterm projection.

Seems we are not pushing to be competitive anytime soon.

[JMAC3]

Fears took over 100 more shots at the rim than Tre Mann did as a sophomore. I think saying he is good at getting to the rim is an understatement.

Fears- 183 rim attempts
Harper - 170 rim attempts
VJ - 126 rim attempts
Kon- 122 rim attempts
Tre- 97 rim attempts
Jace - 87 rim attempts
Pettiford - 78 rim attempts

[MasterIchiro]

Fears took over 100 more shots at the rim than Tre Mann did as a sophomore. I think saying he is good at getting to the rim is an understatement.

Fears- 183 rim attempts
Harper - 170 rim attempts
VJ - 126 rim attempts
Kon- 122 rim attempts
Tre- 97 rim attempts
Jace - 87 rim attempts
Pettiford - 78 rim attempts

Special, unique ability ahead of his class. If he can hit 36% overall on threes as he did off the catch, the star potential is real.

Harper is spectacular with the ball in his hands.

[yosemiteben]

Fears took over 100 more shots at the rim than Tre Mann did as a sophomore. I think saying he is good at getting to the rim is an understatement.

Fears- 183 rim attempts
Harper - 170 rim attempts
VJ - 126 rim attempts
Kon- 122 rim attempts
Tre- 97 rim attempts
Jace - 87 rim attempts
Pettiford - 78 rim attempts

The problem is more finishing there, which is a big concern I have with him. He only shot 45% at the rim in the half court.

[JMAC3]

Fears took over 100 more shots at the rim than Tre Mann did as a sophomore. I think saying he is good at getting to the rim is an understatement.

Fears- 183 rim attempts
Harper - 170 rim attempts
VJ - 126 rim attempts
Kon- 122 rim attempts
Tre- 97 rim attempts
Jace - 87 rim attempts
Pettiford - 78 rim attempts

The problem is more finishing there, which is a big concern I have with him. He only shot 45% at the rim in the half court.

I just am not that worried about that, he is 18 yrs old so expect him to improve on that consistently over time. NBA will give him more spacing and he will have a lot more talent around him, something Oklahoma lacked compared to a lot of the other top prospects. Also, he has shown he is a plus athlete at the combine and it isn't like he is barely 6 foot, his size for a pg is at least average.

He also draws a lot of free throws at the rim, which doesn't reflect in this rim finishing number.

[yosemiteben]

Fears took over 100 more shots at the rim than Tre Mann did as a sophomore. I think saying he is good at getting to the rim is an understatement.

Fears- 183 rim attempts
Harper - 170 rim attempts
VJ - 126 rim attempts
Kon- 122 rim attempts
Tre- 97 rim attempts
Jace - 87 rim attempts
Pettiford - 78 rim attempts

The problem is more finishing there, which is a big concern I have with him. He only shot 45% at the rim in the half court.

I just am not that worried about that, he is 18 yrs old so expect him to improve on that consistently over time. NBA will give him more spacing and he will have a lot more talent around him, something Oklahoma lacked compared to a lot of the other top prospects. Also, he has shown he is a plus athlete at the combine and it isn't like he is barely 6 foot, his size for a pg is at least average.

He also draws a lot of free throws at the rim, which doesn't reflect in this rim finishing number.

All fair points. Still, small framed, lightweight guard that struggles to finish at the rim is concerning to me.

[JMAC3]

The problem is more finishing there, which is a big concern I have with him. He only shot 45% at the rim in the half court.

I just am not that worried about that, he is 18 yrs old so expect him to improve on that consistently over time. NBA will give him more spacing and he will have a lot more talent around him, something Oklahoma lacked compared to a lot of the other top prospects. Also, he has shown he is a plus athlete at the combine and it isn't like he is barely 6 foot, his size for a pg is at least average.

He also draws a lot of free throws at the rim, which doesn't reflect in this rim finishing number.

All fair points. Still, small framed, lightweight guard that struggles to finish at the rim is concerning to me.

I would be more worried if he was low volume at rim and struggled to finish, he probably overdrove and took some tough shots but he didn't really have a lot of other options on his team to let the game come to him. Carter Bryant could afford to shoot 4 times and win, Kon could shoot 7 times and win. It was basically a 1 man show in Oklahoma all year and he made it work and got them to the tournament.

That is why I value the eye test probably more than anything with prospects because if you have an elite handle and elite quickness you are going to succeed in a lot of situations, it is very easy for me to see him playing on a top 10 team in the country and being the #2 player in this draft.

[yosemiteben]

I'm not super impressed with his vision and I'm not a huge believer that his shot has a ton of upside. If the cure for him finishing poorly at the rim is taking it to the rim less, that is concerning to me because I don't see a ton else that he is doing on the floor at an elite level.

IMO, he's like a much smaller, worse shooting Dylan Harper that struggles to finish at the rim. That's not super exciting to me.

[fatlever]

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[wilson115]

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Good and the bad. Ben's almost like Dean was with his takes and eye for spotting overlooked gems.

[Diop]

im too much of a coward to take Fears, to risky for me. ive posted how i understand why he has fans, but its definitely not a given that he will end up good in the nba

[MasterIchiro]

Was Salaün too risky for you?

[MasterIchiro]

The last prospect we drafted like Fears was Kemba. Small, quick, strong, pointguards who can get to the cup, and struggled shooting from range. Tight handles. Fierce competitors. Want the ball in the big moment. Care about winning.

Comes down to what he's made out of.

Fears looks pretty tough. And Kemba would bring out that alpha dog in him.

[MasterIchiro]

With Kemba in the fold and with everything he did for this franchise to become the all-time leading scorer in Hornets history.

Would be incredible if he were working with a backcourt of LaMelo + Fears and could get that to even remotely resemble Donavan Mitchell + Darius Garland.