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Post#261 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:26 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:I was talking to my dad yesterday. He’s the definition of a casual sports fan outside of the NFL. He usually will watch the playoffs for both MLB and NBA when they come on.

We were talking about the start of the US Open and I brought up the Finals. He had no clue they were even going on.

I just think the NBA and ESPN are just really bad at marketing the NBA. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the product on the court anymore. But I think that affects hardcore fans, far more than casuals. I think they’re inability to capture casual fans interest is a big issue.


Do you think it's harder or easier to market these kinds of things in todays world? Not many people that I know have cable anymore and just watch apps. I know for me, I only turn on the channels that have the NBA on when I know they are on, so it is rare that I'm watching regular TV to see ads

I remember as a kid and into my 20s always having ESPN on and random channels where you would see the finals ads. The black eyed peas "lets get it started" 2004 NBA finals commercials every second. I wouldn't even know where to see these nowadays and I think TV aps have had some negative effects on how sports market their games


I do think there is an aspect to this 100%. No doubt back in the day it was easier to market these things when the vast majority of eyes were all watching less things at once.

For instance I just looked up Friends average viewership. In the 2nd season, it averaged 31 million people watching per episode. Put an advertisement there and a few different channels and your advertisement reached 50+ million people.

Today everything is much more spread out. And for sure that has a huge impact on all of this.

But I do think they need to figure out something. I get not comparing it to football because that is just so ingrained into the US culture. But I saw someone else on here say this and I think it’s true.

The NBA is turning into a regional sport just like the MLB. These Finals are averaging roughly just under 9 million people per game. Thats on par for the 2023 World Series average (9.1 million per game). And that was a series between the Rangers and Diamondbacks. When MLB gets a big time matchup like last year (NY vs LA), it averaged over 15 million people per game. You have to go back to pre COVID to find a NBA finals game with that average.

So I will definitely concede that marketing to a wide consumer base nowadays is much more difficult than it was back in the 90s and stuff. But with that said, I also think the NBA (ESPN/TNT) does a horrible job of marketing their stars. Because the people you want to market to are the casual sports fans. I would be shocked if casual sports fans have ever heard the name Tyrese Haliburton. The NBA (ESPN/TNT) don’t seem to talk about players, until they have to. I used this example before. But it was an ESPN sideline reporter during the Nuggets championship run in the playoffs, who came out and said, this was her first time watching Jokic and was blown away with how he plays. He was a 2x MVP by that time. The NBA seems very slow to react to promoting new stars.
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Re: Game 1 of the Finals posts horrific TV ratings 

Post#262 » by Chuck Everett » Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:51 am

What is marketing other players going to do if all anyone wants to do is watch 7-8 minute highlights and then gossip about what they think has been happening over the course of a game? I enjoy the game of basketball, but talking NBA for the most part is like the Real Housewives for men.

We're seeing it in the WNBA. If Clark isn't playing, the rest of the league isn't even worth watching to most people. How is that sustainable?
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Post#263 » by doogie_hauser » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:45 am

I am optimistic NBC and their return of coverage will help with the promotion/boost ratings and interest of the NBA, especially with the coup of getting Michael Jordan on board.

Amazon as well could end up introducing the NBA to a new global audience.

The excitement of two new expansion teams (which could be done as soon as this off sesson) will also be a big boost to the NBA.

I am cautiously optimistic things will turn around next season and beyond
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Post#264 » by Deathray » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:17 am

I figured the ratings would get significantly better after the excitement of game 1 but I was wrong.

It's just that these two teams don't have the starpower. Shai may be the MVP but he's not exactly charismatic and I don't ever see him becoming a big draw.

If it was a Knicks/Lakers series viewership would be massive but as a basketball fan this has been a really interesting and entertaining series so far.
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Post#265 » by HumbleRen » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:21 am

NBA just got paid an historic amount of money for their new tv/streaming rights. I think they’ll be okay.

Yes their American ratings are lower now than what it was during the Jordan era but so is virtually every other program on tv as well outside of the NFL.

That’s why the NBA is making more money than ever now, they’re getting viewed more in terms of % vs the other shows on air at the same time. It’s weighted completely differently now.
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Post#266 » by pepe1991 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:47 am

HumbleRen wrote:NBA just got paid an historic amount of money for their new tv/streaming rights. I think they’ll be okay.

Yes their American ratings are lower now than what it was during the Jordan era but so is virtually every other program on tv as well outside of the NFL.

That’s why the NBA is making more money than ever now, they’re getting viewed more in terms of % vs the other shows on air at the same time. It’s weighted completely differently now.


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Post#268 » by One Last Shot » Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:37 pm

Here's the average viewers of NBA Finals series in Y2K era


2000's
-14.39 million average viewers

2010's
-17.87 million average viewers
(+24% increase of viewers)

2020's
-10.27 million average viewers
(-42.5% loss of viewers)


For comparison, numbers on LeBron's 8 straight Finals
-18.18 million average viewers
(+77% increase of viewers in comparison to 2020's)
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Re: Game 1 of the Finals posts horrific TV ratings 

Post#269 » by MavsDirk41 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:46 pm

One Last Shot wrote:Here's the average viewers of NBA Finals series in Y2K era


2000's
-14.39 million average viewers

2010's
-17.87 million average viewers
(+24% increase of viewers)

2020's
-10.27 million average viewers
(-42.5% loss of viewers)


For comparison, numbers on LeBron's 8 straight Finals
-18.18 million average viewers
(+77% increase of viewers in comparison to 2020's)



10 most watched nba finals as of 2024

1 98
2 93
3 97
4 96
5 87
6 91
7 88
8 89
9 92
10 2017
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Re: Game 1 of the Finals posts horrific TV ratings 

Post#270 » by Tottery » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:25 pm

Lalouie wrote:UH-OH
https://frontofficesports.com/nba-finals-game-2-ratings-dip-even-after-record-low-opener/

Magic Johnson's definition of a superstar: "A person who can go on the road and sell the building out."

no superstar no ratings. it's a very concise definition that weeds out all the fakes/tweeners so i have to agree


so while i understand the hardcore and those who just want to see close games(which bottom line just means being entertained)
there is this overwhelming majority from BOTH groups that seek an entertaining close games finals. me, i'd rather see a beautiful blowout

but i think "entertainment comes in different forms. I am entertained by great artists(talents) creating great art

to address the above there's a better chance of seeing great things in sports if great stars are playing, and ergo great teams. cuz superstars and superteams do super things. and i don't mean haliburton's last minute heroics either. those are just great plays

i for one can wait for those singular moments and that's what ive been missing so far


I agree. SGA is great, but not a superstar. Not having 1 in the Finals would definitely affect ratings. Looking at the ratings for years featuring LBJ and Curry shows it.

Personally, I'm enjoying the series a lot and found myself rooting for the underdog.
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Post#271 » by One Last Shot » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:29 pm

MavsDirk41 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:Here's the average viewers of NBA Finals series in Y2K era


2000's
-14.39 million average viewers

2010's
-17.8e7 million average viewers
(+24% increase of viewers)

2020's
-10.27 million average viewers
(-42.5% loss of viewers)


For comparison, numbers on LeBron's 8 straight Finals
-18.18 million average viewers
(+77% increase of viewers in comparison to 2020's)



10 most watched nba finals as of 2024

1 98
2 93
3 97
4 96
5 87
6 91
7 88
8 89
9 92
10 2017


Internet doesn't exist before the decades I mentioned and television is the main source of entertainment n the past eras. I'm sure that's a huge factor from the massive drop especially in this Parity Era or post-LeBron Finals run. From 18.18 million average viewers in LeBron's Finals berth from 2011 to 2018 down to 10.27 million average viewers for this decade, that's 7.91 million average viewers drop. In 2025 Finals so far between Thunder and Pacers, there's 8.91 million average viewers in 3 games.
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Post#272 » by levon » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:50 pm

HumbleRen wrote:NBA just got paid an historic amount of money for their new tv/streaming rights. I think they’ll be okay.

Yes their American ratings are lower now than what it was during the Jordan era but so is virtually every other program on tv as well outside of the NFL.

That’s why the NBA is making more money than ever now, they’re getting viewed more in terms of % vs the other shows on air at the same time. It’s weighted completely differently now.

All this means is that people basically only watch live TV for sports. But that doesn't mean the plurality of America is watching the NBA Finals that night. They're instead streaming hundreds of other shows.

Ratings are supposed to convey how much of a cultural phenomenon a piece of entertainment is. I really don't hear anyone outside of NBA fans discussing this series.
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Post#273 » by DS17 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:08 pm

MavsDirk41 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:Here's the average viewers of NBA Finals series in Y2K era


2000's
-14.39 million average viewers

2010's
-17.87 million average viewers
(+24% increase of viewers)

2020's
-10.27 million average viewers
(-42.5% loss of viewers)


For comparison, numbers on LeBron's 8 straight Finals
-18.18 million average viewers
(+77% increase of viewers in comparison to 2020's)



10 most watched nba finals as of 2024

1 98
2 93
3 97
4 96
5 87
6 91
7 88
8 89
9 92
10 2017


I am very surprised that the 2010 championship was not more popular and not in the top 10... I mean lakers vs celtics? Prime Kobe vs bostons big 3? oof. Should be a top 3 for what im concerned.
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Post#274 » by Showtime 80 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:34 pm

DS17 wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:Here's the average viewers of NBA Finals series in Y2K era


2000's
-14.39 million average viewers

2010's
-17.87 million average viewers
(+24% increase of viewers)

2020's
-10.27 million average viewers
(-42.5% loss of viewers)


For comparison, numbers on LeBron's 8 straight Finals
-18.18 million average viewers
(+77% increase of viewers in comparison to 2020's)



10 most watched nba finals as of 2024

1 98
2 93
3 97
4 96
5 87
6 91
7 88
8 89
9 92
10 2017


I am very surprised that the 2010 championship was not more popular and not in the top 10... I mean lakers vs celtics? Prime Kobe vs bostons big 3? oof. Should be a top 3 for what im concerned.


It just shows the phenomenon that was MJ.

Not even the all time greats like Magic, Bird, Isiah, Kobe/Shaq, Duncan, LeBron, Curry or Durant can sniff his jock in terms of popularity. (I think the 88’ Finals is the best all time)

The NBA was never as popular before or since.
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Post#275 » by Optms » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:41 pm

One Last Shot wrote:Here's the average viewers of NBA Finals series in Y2K era


2000's
-14.39 million average viewers

2010's
-17.87 million average viewers
(+24% increase of viewers)

2020's
-10.27 million average viewers
(-42.5% loss of viewers)


For comparison, numbers on LeBron's 8 straight Finals
-18.18 million average viewers
(+77% increase of viewers in comparison to 2020's)


People wanted to watch the Heatles/Lebron lose so that drove up ratings through the roof. Then the rise of the Warriors took it to another level.

It would have been like Jordan rising to legendary status in the early 90s, then another all time great dynasty formed out of nowhere. Today's entertainment is lacking all of it, not just from a pure basketball perspective.
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Post#276 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:46 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:What is marketing other players going to do if all anyone wants to do is watch 7-8 minute highlights and then gossip about what they think has been happening over the course of a game? I enjoy the game of basketball, but talking NBA for the most part is like the Real Housewives for men.

We're seeing it in the WNBA. If Clark isn't playing, the rest of the league isn't even worth watching to most people. How is that sustainable?

Let’s start giving other players 7-8 minutes of highlights first, and we’ll see.

So many people have underrated the Pacers because no one on a major sports network has talked about them all year, outside of McAfee - but it’s not like they show a ton of highlights, if any at all?

Sportscenter will spend 30 minutes talking about if LeBron played good or bad, then go “The Pacers beat the Hornets, here’s two plays, and the box score….back to LeBron.”

If you are only spotlighting the same few teams/players, you can’t be shocked when no one is interested in anything else. How could anyone know the Pacers play a really fun brand of basketball when it’s never shown?

I mean, before the Cavs series, a Cavs fan claimed the Pacers don’t have anyone who can effectively close a game. It’s not his fault he didn’t know, but he didn’t know because fans don’t get a chance to learn about other teams that aren’t actively pushed by the media. Claiming the Pacers didn’t have a closer was wilddddd even before all crazy comebacks in the playoffs…they’ve been doing this all season.

NFL culture really gives everyone a chance to be in the spotlight. You can learn about other teams styles and players because they typically get more air time. Part of me thinks NBA culture is too far gone to fix things at this point, but…worth a try?
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Post#277 » by TheGeneral99 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:49 pm

Deathray wrote:I figured the ratings would get significantly better after the excitement of game 1 but I was wrong.

It's just that these two teams don't have the starpower. Shai may be the MVP but he's not exactly charismatic and I don't ever see him becoming a big draw.

If it was a Knicks/Lakers series viewership would be massive but as a basketball fan this has been a really interesting and entertaining series so far.


Two small markets without any huge household names.

Reminds of the Pistons-Spurs finals from 2005...amazing series but didn't get the eyeballs.

2006 - we had Dirk, Wade, Shaq, two big markets
2007 - Spurs and Cleveland, we had Lebron making the finals
2008 - Lakers and Boston, big markets, classic rivalry, big 3, Kobe.
2009 - Lakers and Orlando, still had Kobe, big market, Dwight
2010 - Lakers and Boston again
2011 - Heat and Dallas, Big 3 Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, big market
2012 - Heat and OKC, Lebron vs. KD, many huge names.
2013 - Heat and Spurs - Lebron big 3
2014 - Rematch
2015 - Golden State with its golden boy Curry vs. Lebron
2016 - Rematch
2017 - Rematch
2018 - Rematch
2019 - Golden State Curry, KD, Klay and Toronto with Kawhi, two big markets
2020 - Lakers and Heat, big markets, Lebron, AD, Butler
2021 - Bucks and Suns, big names in Giannis, Paul, Booker
2022 - Golden State, Boston, big markets, Curry, Klay, Tatum, Brown
2023 - Denver and Miami, had big names in Jokic, Butler
2024 - Boston and Dallas, big markets, big names Luka, Kyrie, Tatum, Brown
2025 - OKC and Indiana, now Shai is a big name but he's a big household name yet outside of hardcore basketball circles and nobody expected Indy to do they are doing...it's the weakest in terms of markets and big names in a long time...
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Post#278 » by Rainwater » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:18 pm

HumbleRen wrote:NBA just got paid an historic amount of money for their new tv/streaming rights. I think they’ll be okay.

Yes their American ratings are lower now than what it was during the Jordan era but so is virtually every other program on tv as well outside of the NFL.

That’s why the NBA is making more money than ever now, they’re getting viewed more in terms of % vs the other shows on air at the same time. It’s weighted completely differently now.



You can’t compare how people view sports from the 80’s and 90’s to today. It is completely different with the internet, social media, and streaming. Doesn’t mean the sport is any less popular.
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Post#279 » by Rainwater » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:20 pm

Just being honest the only reason the ratings are low is because it’s OKC and Pacers
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Post#280 » by The Servant » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:52 pm

Deathray wrote:I figured the ratings would get significantly better after the excitement of game 1 but I was wrong.

It's just that these two teams don't have the starpower. Shai may be the MVP but he's not exactly charismatic and I don't ever see him becoming a big draw.

If it was a Knicks/Lakers series viewership would be massive but as a basketball fan this has been a really interesting and entertaining series so far.


The LEAGUE doesnt have any star power. When we were in its "prime" during the 2010s the star players were recent draftees that received promotion. In 2025 almost 20 years after all the current "superstar faces of the league" had been drafted we have the next generation of players yet no "superstars".

Bron: age 40
KD: 37
Steph: 37
Embusted: 31 and washed

These guys were the face over 10 years ago and they are still the face thanks to NBA just being the real house wives and ESPN being TMZ.

We have a 68 win team with no buzz. When has that ever happened?

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