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Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 (update: poll added 6/18/25)

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Who will be the next coach of the New York Knicks?

Poll ended at Wed Jul 2, 2025 1:31 pm

Mike Brown
24
18%
Taylor Jenkins
42
32%
Johnnie Bryant
27
20%
Mike Malone
5
4%
James Borrego
7
5%
Mike Budenholzer
1
1%
Rick Brunson
4
3%
Jeff Van Gundy
6
5%
Jason Kidd
10
8%
Other
7
5%
 
Total votes: 133

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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#81 » by KnixinSix » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:01 pm

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This is what concerns me about Jenkins. How did he lose the team like that and how much was Memphis' offense his system or their new coach? I'd bring him in and see what his ideas would be to unlock this offense.

Mike Brown is a retread...Princeton offensive minded guy. Wouldn't mind him being on a Johnnie Bryant led staff to offer guidance.

From my understanding is that Jenkins was done dirty by Memphis and my theory is that his assistances running the offense is what led to him losing the locker room.
Offensively, the Grizzlies had become something of a science experiment this season, offering glimpses at how several radical offensive concepts from Europe, and spacing principles found in hockey and soccer, would work in the NBA, but also how difficult it is to get full buy-in from players to implement them


There were two architects and one supervisor -- Jenkins -- charged with blending the competing visions. One was Tuomas Iisalo, a Finnish coach who'd had a meteoric rise in Europe by implementing innovative offensive concepts around pick-and-roll schemes, pacing and offensive rebounding. Another was player development specialist Noah LaRoche, whom the Grizzlies had lured from a consulting role with the San Antonio Spurs and charged with teaching an offense that prioritized spacing and largely did away with pick-and-rolls and dribble handoffs.

Jenkins, the fifth-longest-tenured NBA coach, had never met either of the assistants before interviewing them, one source said.

Still, the Grizzlies paid a seven-figure buyout to Paris Basketball, which Iisalo (pronounced EE-za-lo) coached to a EuroCup championship last season. Memphis also gave Iisalo and LaRoche seven-figure salaries. That's especially lucrative for a second-row assistant such as LaRoche, but it's also extraordinarily unusual for a second-row assistant to have his fingerprints all over the revamping of a team's offensive system. In fact, Memphis hired LaRoche first (in May 2024) with the intention of building the staff of assistants around him, one source said. The club wouldn't bring in Iisalo until nearly two months later.

To make room for these new voices, Kleiman insisted Jenkins replace five of the assistant coaches who'd been with him throughout his time in Memphis: Brad Jones, Blake Ahearn, Scoonie Penn, Vitaly Potapenko and Sonia Raman.

Jenkins went along with the request, in an effort to be a good partner, said a league source, who added, "Taylor shouldn't have allowed that to happen."

The coach was so upset at the news he'd have to deliver to each of his longtime assistants, he invited each over to his house in Memphis for individual sessions.

The front office felt the new approach needed space to get off the ground, according to a source. So the club cut ties with virtually everyone associated with the team's ways of the past.

"It was a total shock because we'd already had our exit meetings and were preparing for the summer," one former assistant said. "We'd all gone away for a few weeks and came back to start work again. Taylor felt so bad about it. But apparently they decided to go in another direction."

"Going in another direction" has become cliché -- a nice way of glossing over a difficult situation and avoiding specific issues. But in this case that's exactly what it was.

"They were going all-in on these new concepts," another source close to the situation said.

The immediate, unintended effect was to signal to the rest of the league, and the Grizzlies' players, that Jenkins was on thin ice.

"Players aren't stupid," another source said. "They know where this is heading when you fire five assistants after the season."

And when the job is getting players to buy into new offensive concepts, already uncomfortable for most NBA players, being taught different schemes by two assistant coaches immediately undercut Jenkins' authority.


Ah man.

I'll be honest, if I was him and they made that request, I would have resigned. I'm not firing my staff :crazy:

Hm. I would interview the guy. The Grizzlies were a pretty dynamic team before Ja started to cosplay as a South Memphis goon.


Interesting background on Taylor. Very interesting. Lost a power struggle bc Memphis right or wrongly thought going super innovative on the system would be the way to go.
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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#82 » by GONYK » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:16 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:From my understanding is that Jenkins was done dirty by Memphis and my theory is that his assistances running the offense is what led to him losing the locker room.




Ah man.

I'll be honest, if I was him and they made that request, I would have resigned. I'm not firing my staff :crazy:

Hm. I would interview the guy. The Grizzlies were a pretty dynamic team before Ja started to cosplay as a South Memphis goon.


Interesting background on Taylor. Very interesting. Lost a power struggle bc Memphis right or wrongly thought going super innovative on the system would be the way to go.


I'm now more intrigued by what Memphis was trying to put together
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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#83 » by BigJimFinn » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:21 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:
I'm almost on the Jenkins bandwagon




This was one of my biggest issues with Thibs on offense. No one moved and just watched whoever had the ball.

Brunson and OG will feast with this kind of motion.

ok, so the video says it was introduced last october. was it Jenkins that broke it out?

I thought those new euro assistants were hired this season, so it couldn't have been them.

someone's timeline is funky here.


It's the Finnish coaches system. Not Jenkins. Who was fired.

F*ck hiring White Fizdale.


Incorrect, this system Memphis used last season was brought in by LaRoche. It worked well at first, as Grizzlies led the league in scoring after 25 games, but the gimmick got found out, and LaRoche was fired along with Jenkins. The offense favoured by Iisalo is very different and focuses on P&R with a top-scoring ballhandler. After he was appointed interim HC they started running Morant-Edey pick'n'rolls and Ja in general was restored to a dominant role. Iisalo teams with TJ Shorts (who is now coming to Memphis) in that role had the highest offensive rating in Europe both in Bonn and Paris.
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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#84 » by KnixinSix » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:23 pm

BigJimFinn wrote:
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NYKinMIA wrote:ok, so the video says it was introduced last october. was it Jenkins that broke it out?

I thought those new euro assistants were hired this season, so it couldn't have been them.

someone's timeline is funky here.


It's the Finnish coaches system. Not Jenkins. Who was fired.

F*ck hiring White Fizdale.


Incorrect, this system Memphis used last season was brought in by LaRoche. It worked well at first, as Grizzlies led the league in scoring after 25 games, but the gimmick got found out, and LaRoche was fired along with Jenkins. The offense favoured by Iisalo is very different and focuses on P&R with a top-scoring ballhandler. After he was appointed interim HC they started running Morant-Edey pick'n'rolls and Ja in general was restored to a dominant role. Iisalo teams with TJ Shorts (who is now coming to Memphis) in that role had the highest offensive rating in Europe both in Bonn and Paris.


Jenkins if nothing else showed he is a team player. You team him up with AHC Johnnie Bryant and that might be an EXCELLENT combination
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Post#85 » by kNicksGmen » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:26 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
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thebuzzardman wrote:Jenkins would be a disaster

Why? I like him based on vibes and post game press conferences etc - seems like an incredibly smart basketball mind.

Coaching is a lot more than that obviously - managing the players egos, motivating them, the systems ran on offense/defense - rotations, in game adjustments, etc etc

But from what little I know about him - I don't see why he would be a disaster.


Yes. Let's hire the rah rah guy from the Grizzlies. That worked out well in the past.

I don't view him as a rah rah guy - I view him as a smart Xs and Os coach.
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Post#86 » by FrozenEnvelope » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:30 pm

I don't know **** about Jenkins but that Grizzlies team that almost won 60 and took the Warriors to 7 games was nice.
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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#87 » by KnixinSix » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:32 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:I don't know **** about Jenkins but that Grizzlies team that almost won 60 and took the Warriors to 7 games was nice.


Pair him with Bryant. This guy isnt a my way or highway guy and is willing to work with his staff. Thats a GOOD thing.

Not my first choice (Kidd) but it could absolutely work too.
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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#88 » by Jesus Juice » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:52 pm

I feel like the right choice was Bryant, just odd he was in the running for a job and the sequence of events after. Maybe we just don’t wanna look suspect after the stuff with the Mavs, and beef we had with Toronto even tho the TO stuff was on them.

I can also see them wanting to let the dust settle after the finals to see what else shakes loose before hiring Bryant.

Overall, guys like Mozzula, Udoka, Kerr years ago Spo were all great assistances that got a real shot to prove there worth as a head coach and now we out here trying to poach a guy, I would like to be the team that has the foresight to give another great coach the gig instead of bringing in experience and names that ultimately still trying to reach championship level while losing assets, or settling for what is left.

Before I do any of the “Experienced” HC the job I would be calling Jeff Van Gundy (I know there is some nonsense with how that would work with him being and Thibs being buddies but thats not my problem)
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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#89 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:00 pm

BigJimFinn wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
NYKinMIA wrote:ok, so the video says it was introduced last october. was it Jenkins that broke it out?

I thought those new euro assistants were hired this season, so it couldn't have been them.

someone's timeline is funky here.


It's the Finnish coaches system. Not Jenkins. Who was fired.

F*ck hiring White Fizdale.


Incorrect, this system Memphis used last season was brought in by LaRoche. It worked well at first, as Grizzlies led the league in scoring after 25 games, but the gimmick got found out, and LaRoche was fired along with Jenkins. The offense favoured by Iisalo is very different and focuses on P&R with a top-scoring ballhandler. After he was appointed interim HC they started running Morant-Edey pick'n'rolls and Ja in general was restored to a dominant role. Iisalo teams with TJ Shorts (who is now coming to Memphis) in that role had the highest offensive rating in Europe both in Bonn and Paris.


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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#90 » by KnixinSix » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:10 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
BigJimFinn wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
It's the Finnish coaches system. Not Jenkins. Who was fired.

F*ck hiring White Fizdale.


Incorrect, this system Memphis used last season was brought in by LaRoche. It worked well at first, as Grizzlies led the league in scoring after 25 games, but the gimmick got found out, and LaRoche was fired along with Jenkins. The offense favoured by Iisalo is very different and focuses on P&R with a top-scoring ballhandler. After he was appointed interim HC they started running Morant-Edey pick'n'rolls and Ja in general was restored to a dominant role. Iisalo teams with TJ Shorts (who is now coming to Memphis) in that role had the highest offensive rating in Europe both in Bonn and Paris.


Thank you for the context. This is very helpful


Ja apparently was complaining too about his usage so there's that as a potential other side of the coin deal as well at play here.
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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#91 » by Fury » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:14 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
BigJimFinn wrote:
Incorrect, this system Memphis used last season was brought in by LaRoche. It worked well at first, as Grizzlies led the league in scoring after 25 games, but the gimmick got found out, and LaRoche was fired along with Jenkins. The offense favoured by Iisalo is very different and focuses on P&R with a top-scoring ballhandler. After he was appointed interim HC they started running Morant-Edey pick'n'rolls and Ja in general was restored to a dominant role. Iisalo teams with TJ Shorts (who is now coming to Memphis) in that role had the highest offensive rating in Europe both in Bonn and Paris.


Thank you for the context. This is very helpful


Ja apparently was complaining too about his usage so there's that as a potential other side of the coin deal as well at play here.


Was he complaining that he was doing too much or too little?
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Post#92 » by KnixinSix » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:24 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
Thank you for the context. This is very helpful


Ja apparently was complaining too about his usage so there's that as a potential other side of the coin deal as well at play here.


Was he complaining that he was doing too much or too little?


I just remember some reports he was unhappy with his role.
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Re: Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 

Post#93 » by GONYK » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:26 pm

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KnixinSix wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Thank you for the context. This is very helpful


Ja apparently was complaining too about his usage so there's that as a potential other side of the coin deal as well at play here.


Was he complaining that he was doing too much or too little?


Too little. He was mad they took the ball out of his hands.
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Post#94 » by god shammgod » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:28 pm

GONYK wrote:
Fury wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
Ja apparently was complaining too about his usage so there's that as a potential other side of the coin deal as well at play here.


Was he complaining that he was doing too much or too little?


Too little. He was mad they took the ball out of his hands.


i doubt jalen would be happy about that either if that's the plan
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Post#95 » by GONYK » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:31 pm

god shammgod wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Fury wrote:
Was he complaining that he was doing too much or too little?


Too little. He was mad they took the ball out of his hands.


i doubt jalen would be happy about that either if that's the plan


I think he'd be fine with a more egalitarian offense with him off ball a bit more
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Post#96 » by god shammgod » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:36 pm

GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Too little. He was mad they took the ball out of his hands.


i doubt jalen would be happy about that either if that's the plan


I think he'd be fine with a more egalitarian offense with him off ball a bit more


if i remember the story jenknis didn't really want to run any pnr hardly and that pissed off ja.

i don't think he gets the job. it's too extreme a change in the opposite direction. they need someone who will be a happy medium.
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Post#97 » by Gravy » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:36 pm

It sounds like this season's Memphis offense had nothing to do with Jenkins then?

We would have to go back to the 2022-23 season when they were last healthy under him and the Grizzlies were 15th in offensive rating. The Kings were actually 1st under Mike Brown that year...interesting
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Post#98 » by kNicksGmen » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:37 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
Fury wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
Ja apparently was complaining too about his usage so there's that as a potential other side of the coin deal as well at play here.


Was he complaining that he was doing too much or too little?


I just remember some reports he was unhappy with his role.

He wasn't happy with the offense as it moved away from PnR which is what Morant wants to run to have higher usage and stats. That wasn't on Jenkins as much as the new system that was forced on him. It undermined him as he probably was being asked by Ja to run more PnR but it was somewhat out of his control due to the pressure to run this new creative system.

Ja is also overrated - which to me is another reason it's not fair to pin the grizzlies failures on Jenkins. He got a lot out of that roster.
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Post#99 » by HEZI » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:37 pm

BigJimFinn wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
NYKinMIA wrote:ok, so the video says it was introduced last october. was it Jenkins that broke it out?

I thought those new euro assistants were hired this season, so it couldn't have been them.

someone's timeline is funky here.


It's the Finnish coaches system. Not Jenkins. Who was fired.

F*ck hiring White Fizdale.


Incorrect, this system Memphis used last season was brought in by LaRoche. It worked well at first, as Grizzlies led the league in scoring after 25 games, but the gimmick got found out, and LaRoche was fired along with Jenkins. The offense favoured by Iisalo is very different and focuses on P&R with a top-scoring ballhandler. After he was appointed interim HC they started running Morant-Edey pick'n'rolls and Ja in general was restored to a dominant role. Iisalo teams with TJ Shorts (who is now coming to Memphis) in that role had the highest offensive rating in Europe both in Bonn and Paris.


A gimmick that got exposed? Well damn
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Post#100 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:38 pm

I just want a coach who can make in game and game to game adjustments when necessary. One who doesn't ignore his bench or run his starters into the ground. One who understands the game as it's played today.
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