The official fire Chris Finch thread

[mondry]

Getting to the WCF is a nice, feel good story but we got extremely lucky to face LA and GSW without Steph. The series might have ended 4-1 but I never felt like we were playing high level ball.

Without Steph that warriors team wouldn't even have a wining record... saying they're more talented than us is some serious cope. We were lucky to play a Lakers team that traded for Luka mid season. Like if we want to defend Finch for having to deal with the Towns Trade then we also need to consider how a MID SEASON Luka trade impacted the lakers.

Fact of the matter is we had an extremely easy first 2 rounds to get to the WCF and lost the only game Steph played in, at home in the semi's. I'd put an asterisk next to this WCF appearance... especially since we got annihilated in the WCF when we actually faced a healthy / good team.

[Worm Guts]

Getting to the WCF is a nice, feel good story but we got extremely lucky to face LA and GSW without Steph.

Without Steph that warriors team wouldn't even have a wining record... saying they're more talented than us is some serious cope. We were lucky to play a Lakers team that traded for Luka mid season. Like if we want to defend Finch for having to deal with the Towns Trade then we also need to consider how a MID SEASON Luka trade impacted the lakers.

Fact of the matter is we had an extremely easy first 2 rounds to get to the WCF and lost the only game Steph played in, at home in the semi's. I'd put an asterisk next to this WCF appearance... especially since we got annihilated in the WCF when we actually faced a healthy / good team.

I'll just point out that the Lakers were pretty much universally picked to beat us, so the idea that they were an easy matchup seems mostly based on hind sight. Unlike the Wolves after the Towns trade, the Lakers played great almost immediately after the Luka trade.
Obviously we did get lucky with the Curry injury.

[mondry]

Getting to the WCF is a nice, feel good story but we got extremely lucky to face LA and GSW without Steph.

Without Steph that warriors team wouldn't even have a wining record... saying they're more talented than us is some serious cope. We were lucky to play a Lakers team that traded for Luka mid season. Like if we want to defend Finch for having to deal with the Towns Trade then we also need to consider how a MID SEASON Luka trade impacted the lakers.

Fact of the matter is we had an extremely easy first 2 rounds to get to the WCF and lost the only game Steph played in, at home in the semi's. I'd put an asterisk next to this WCF appearance... especially since we got annihilated in the WCF when we actually faced a healthy / good team.

I'll just point out that the Lakers were pretty much universally picked to beat us, so the idea that they were an easy matchup seems mostly based on hind sight. Unlike the Wolves after the Towns trade, the Lakers played great almost immediately after the Luka trade.
Obviously we did get lucky with the Curry injury.

I predicted wolves in 5 but regardless, we all know why the Lakers were favored. Talking heads and the uninformed public heavily value stars and big names and they completely ignored how incomplete that team was for a playoff run and that one of those stars is 40 and the other extremely out of shape while asking both to play 40+ minutes a night because the team lacked NBA caliber players.

[BlacJacMac]

Getting to the WCF is a nice, feel good story but we got extremely lucky to face LA and GSW without Steph. The series might have ended 4-1 but I never felt like we were playing high level ball.

Without Steph that warriors team wouldn't even have a wining record... saying they're more talented than us is some serious cope. We were lucky to play a Lakers team that traded for Luka mid season. Like if we want to defend Finch for having to deal with the Towns Trade then we also need to consider how a MID SEASON Luka trade impacted the lakers.

Fact of the matter is we had an extremely easy first 2 rounds to get to the WCF and lost the only game Steph played in, at home in the semi's. I'd put an asterisk next to this WCF appearance... especially since we got annihilated in the WCF when we actually faced a healthy / good team.

Warriors were 7-5 without Curry during the season. You can also subtract Kuminga's 24 PPG from our series if Steph was playing.

Lakers went 8-2 in Luka's first 10 games played. They hit the ground running after the trade.

[Klomp]

Well this has been a fun thread....

[Note30]

Your problem is you made a stupid statement. Rather than backtrack on that statement, you tripled down. I never said you called me trash. I said “ Being a big doesn’t make a player trash at offense.” Your earlier point implied that unless you can shot create you are trash. If Jaden is trash then I am many levels below that, because that dude can shoot and handle NBA level defenders, I got youth league and rec center defense.

The point you were trying to make (albeit badly,) is that the Wolves put too much pressure on their guards to create for their front court, especially in 23/24. The problem with this argument is Ant is gonna face massive pressure no matter who is playing with him, because he is that top level talent. That is why prime KD thrived playing Robin to Curry’s Batman. That said, Kerr knew how to take advantage and Finch doesn’t. Jaden and Rudy don’t need to be able to create. They need to know how to screen and then get to their spots. They need to know how to bail out and offensive rebound for easy put backs. They need to know how to maximize their offensive opportunities (yes created by others,) and that is where Finch fails them. Rudy is an amazing screen assister, and Jaden is an excellent mid range and at the rim shooter. That they do not shoot enough is on their coach and their scheme.

You're kind of on your own planet.

The warriors talent level and ours is a million years apart. Every single rotation player on that warriors team save Looney (or w.e. center that played 15 minutes a game could handle the ball, create, their own shot at an almost elite level. Every single one of them could play ok to amazing defense. Our players do not have that. On our team we have maybe and I mean maybe 3 guys who I'd trust to even handle the ball in the majority of possessions.

You can't optimize the offense in our system where you're relying on so many deficits. People talk about Jaden like he's our way through this mess. He can not handle the ball. And that's fine. If he was the 4 on a team with a few more than capable guards, say like the Thunder I'm sure he'd put up like 15 or 16 a game. But it doesn't change the fact that he doesn't fit here and his offense is garbage (relatively) and definitely not what we need here. He's a 3-D player. He's a really really good 3-D at least when in his spots player.

But no matter what you do the offense has still got to be able to move the ball and get it to him in his corner spots. Because he's definitely not gonna get his current points without that.

He can take one dribble and pull up he's not gonna do that to every opponent and get to his spot, so how are you going to get it to him when you only have two guys who can.

You're expecting Finch to make magic happen but you can't address the fact that we have two guys who were facilitating the offense almost all season in Ant and Randle and neither of them are particularly good at it.

So how do you get them to their spots? Seriously I want you to actually articulate it instead of just throwing out BS stats that don't explain anything.

Because you keep saying Finch can't do it, so what's missing?

If this were even close to true then losing Steph shouldn’t have mattered that much. After all every player on the Warriors is better than most of our players right? Gonna quote you “ Every single rotation player on that warriors team save Looney (or w.e. center that played 15 minutes a game could handle the ball, create, their own shot at an almost elite level. Every single one of them could play ok to amazing defense. Our players do not have that. On our team we have maybe and I mean maybe 3 guys who I'd trust to even handle the ball in the majority of possessions.” You literally only assign offensive value to ball skills. This is legitimately one of the worst perspectives (not just takes, but fundamentally foundationally flawed understandings) of the game I have ever encountered. I don’t think I can have a rational conversation with someone who keeps getting less and less consistent with their own takes. First you tell me Rudy is trash, then you tell me the exception is when he is against smaller opponents. Then you tell me that all these smaller players who cannot defend him are significantly better than him despite the size disadvantage. You are not only not rationally responding to me, you are not able to consistent within your own understanding of the situation.

The existence of pick and roll proves that not every big man needs to have a handle or be a shot creator. Most teams play a non shooter non creator at any given time. Jaden as a mid range and at the basket shot maker, (who can at least hit the 3 some of the time,) is not an offensive liability. The defense either needs to account for Jaden or get burned by Jaden (something we saw time and again during the injuries and playoffs.) It is a failure of coaching that leads Jaden’s shot count and offensive opportunities in the single digits as often as they are. Randle, DDV, NAW, NAZ, Mike, and Ant all have the ball skills and abilities you are demanding. In an 8 man rotation that is 6 out of 8. There are lineups without Jaden or Rudy with 5 of them on the floor at the same time. What you are really upset about is the lack of offensive structure that allows defenses to load up on the ball while guys stand around and watch. That is poor coaching. You don’t even seem to understand enough to know the difference.

We were talking about the 2016-2019 Warriors. That team never lost Steph. Today's team is a shadow of what that team was. You keep shifting the goal posts.
As for your second point around height, you're being intentionally dense and I'm just not going to bother.

Have fun I hope you get what you want. Guarantee we perform worse. Keep defending this overachieving team. I'll be here when the dust settles and we're still far away from a chip.

[Slim Tubby]

Well this has been a fun thread....

Utterly ridiculous take, Klomp...this thread has accomplished more than all of our other threads combined.



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[TimberKat]

Well this has been a fun thread....

Utterly ridiculous take, Klomp...this thread has accomplished more than all of our other threads combined.



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I wish realGM could add the "Around the Horn" feature when we can vote up or down on posts. So I could do a andOne for like what I read but still vote down the idea

[shrink]

Getting to the WCF is a nice, feel good story but we got extremely lucky to face LA and GSW without Steph.

Without Steph that warriors team wouldn't even have a wining record... saying they're more talented than us is some serious cope. We were lucky to play a Lakers team that traded for Luka mid season. Like if we want to defend Finch for having to deal with the Towns Trade then we also need to consider how a MID SEASON Luka trade impacted the lakers.

Fact of the matter is we had an extremely easy first 2 rounds to get to the WCF and lost the only game Steph played in, at home in the semi's. I'd put an asterisk next to this WCF appearance... especially since we got annihilated in the WCF when we actually faced a healthy / good team.

I'll just point out that the Lakers were pretty much universally picked to beat us, so the idea that they were an easy matchup seems mostly based on hind sight. Unlike the Wolves after the Towns trade, the Lakers played great almost immediately after the Luka trade.
Obviously we did get lucky with the Curry injury.

I predicted wolves in 5 but regardless, we all know why the Lakers were favored. Talking heads and the uninformed public heavily value stars and big names and they completely ignored how incomplete that team was for a playoff run and that one of those stars is 40 and the other extremely out of shape while asking both to play 40+ minutes a night because the team lacked NBA caliber players.

This is the heart of the problem. We have several fans that over-rate our players, and dismiss objective opinions that disagree with them. When the team doesn’t perform up to their high expectations (even when they win, it’s not good enough), they can’t consider that they may be over-rating our players, so they look for ways to blame the coach.

Even in upset wins.

[KGdaBom]

I'll just point out that the Lakers were pretty much universally picked to beat us, so the idea that they were an easy matchup seems mostly based on hind sight. Unlike the Wolves after the Towns trade, the Lakers played great almost immediately after the Luka trade.
Obviously we did get lucky with the Curry injury.

I predicted wolves in 5 but regardless, we all know why the Lakers were favored. Talking heads and the uninformed public heavily value stars and big names and they completely ignored how incomplete that team was for a playoff run and that one of those stars is 40 and the other extremely out of shape while asking both to play 40+ minutes a night because the team lacked NBA caliber players.

This is the heart of the problem. We have several fans that over-rate our players, and dismiss objective opinions that disagree with them. When the team doesn’t perform up to their high expectations (even when they win, it’s not good enough), they can’t consider that they may be over-rating our players, so they look for ways to blame the coach.

Even in upset wins.

This is officially the last time I look at this waste of space.

[Loaf_of_bread]

I'll just point out that the Lakers were pretty much universally picked to beat us, so the idea that they were an easy matchup seems mostly based on hind sight. Unlike the Wolves after the Towns trade, the Lakers played great almost immediately after the Luka trade.
Obviously we did get lucky with the Curry injury.

I predicted wolves in 5 but regardless, we all know why the Lakers were favored. Talking heads and the uninformed public heavily value stars and big names and they completely ignored how incomplete that team was for a playoff run and that one of those stars is 40 and the other extremely out of shape while asking both to play 40+ minutes a night because the team lacked NBA caliber players.

This is the heart of the problem. We have several fans that over-rate our players, and dismiss objective opinions that disagree with them. When the team doesn’t perform up to their high expectations (even when they win, it’s not good enough), they can’t consider that they may be over-rating our players, so they look for ways to blame the coach.

Even in upset wins.

Finch "we have 8 starting caliber players"

Straight from the coach, not posters/fans.

Regardless, the regular season was horrific. Lost all sorts of games out of pure laziness, and poor in game decisions by Finch. Looking at the fact we snuck into the WCF was fun, but the BS of a poorly coached team reared it's head against okc.

We needed to put up a decent fight for Finch to keep his job. Team folded to a bunch of inexperienced kids. This is child's play for a good coach such as Carlisle.

We may have a slightly better roster than indy.. coaching matters in the playoffs, and our coach sucks.

[Klomp]

Finch "we have 8 starting caliber players"

Straight from the coach, not posters/fans.

Kevin Garnett was a starter. Ervin Johnson was a starter. Do you think Flip Saunders held them to the same standard? But yet, since you heard Finch say he had 8 starters, you hold all 8 of them to the same standard.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I'm happy FO denied Knicks to interview Finch. I'm still believe he is the coach we need. I will be annoyed sometimes during regular season with his rotations but overall, he is a great coach. And i'm also sure that this year, he will play more TSJ, Clark, Rob and hopefully, one or two of those guys become regular rotations guys.

[King Malta]

Well this has been a fun thread....

I see that not much has changed since I was last online here

[guest81]

Based on how much of a garbage fire the Knicks coaching search has been, just another reason why just dumping Finch is a dumb idea that is crazy to consider