2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Apparently Gambo is saying we’re offering nothing but junk for KD on his podcast

[EMC5466]

Suns want Ware. Miami hasn’t offered him…yet.

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Apparently Gambo is saying we’re offering nothing but junk for KD on his podcast

Not what he said. They were talking about how all the teams have good stuff to offer and then he backtracked his co-host and said the HEAT have junk.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Apparently Gambo is saying we’re offering nothing but junk for KD on his podcast

Not what he said. They were talking about how all the teams have good stuff to offer and then he backtracked his co-host and said the HEAT have junk.

Oh ok so just his opinion on our assets, which is completely wrong if we’re taking negotiations serious.

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[greg4012]

Apparently Gambo is saying we’re offering nothing but junk for KD on his podcast

Not what he said. They were talking about how all the teams have good stuff to offer and then he backtracked his co-host and said the HEAT have junk.

Oh ok so just his opinion on our assets, which is completely wrong if we’re taking negotiations serious.

But if he listens to Heat fans, the narrative we'll push is that our players all suck. So I can't blame him for having that perspective. That sh*t matters.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Yea I’m all in, this is happening. Unless Minny is able to move mountains financially or Houston finally caves in and decides they want him it’s really not too much competition.

[Voltron914]

Anyone have reservations of having KD playing the perimeter SF spot? I guess ideally he plays PF with a switchable defensive wing almost like Wiggins would be the perfect fit lol. I know the immense reservations about adding Ware to the deal but what if Ware is the main prize for the Suns and we get to keep the majority of our assets? Just contemplating different scenarios such as keeping Jovic and just drafting a Center with the 20th pick to replace Ware.

C Bam
PF Durant PF Jovic
SF Wiggins

vs

C Ware
PF Bam
SF Durant

Technically for Spo’s switch defense the above might be more enticing then the latter.

for the current timeline and future i would prefer the Ware lineup. he is a great value right now with solid star potential plus those 3 together gives us triplet towers! Bam can play the 3 on defense cause he is quick enough to defend wings and that would give us another advantage if the opposing 3 has to choose between guarding him or KD. kind of reminds me of the Turk rashard lewis big orlando line ups in the past. if we are able to keep Jovic too coming off the bench and this team can be a problem for most teams. im warming up to KD coming as long as we dont get robbed. Suns need cap relief so give them that and a first rd pick

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So what, over the course of 1-2 days the list went from 5 down to 3? 1 of the teams not in the running were apparently our biggest threat.

[MettaWorldPanda]

You're talking about what position a player defends. Miami would be slotting Durant next to the most versatile defender in the NBA.

This is a non-issue. Me thinks this is just an exercise to come to terms with the idea of giving up Ware. Can't say I'm a fan.

Heat’s best constructs with Bam had always involved switchable 4’s and wings. List to include Tucker, Crowder, Iguodala, Butler, DJJ, Strus, and maybe some others i might have missed but that’s not to say Ware can’t be the exception cause he can but still in question. The other construct has more data and two finals appearances behind it.

LOL at Strus mention.

Nothing about that is apples to apples. The "best constructs" all included Jimmy Butler--one of the best defensive playmakers in the modern NBA--on the court, as well. PLUS super high level defenders in Tucker and Crowder (both with strength to defend frontcourt) PLUS stints of size alongside Bam with Kelly O and Leonard. Wiggins is unequivocally NOT Jimmy Butler or PJ Tucker or Jae Crowder as a defender today. Maybe he has a lot more to offer than what we saw in his Miami stretch, but he didn't show it.

It's not about Ware being an exception. It's not like Miami had the option of pairing Bam with a fleet-footed 7-footer that can shoot 3s during that time. All you're doing is highlighting Bam's defensive versatility.

Miami's defense was improved THIS PAST SEASON with Ware paired with Bam compared to before Ware was in the mix. And that was as a rookie that didn't know what he was doing.

I've been one of the main advocates on this board at highlighting the importance of keeping Bam in rotation between PF and C minutes bc he provides so much advantage and versatility to Miami's defensive approach. That doesn't mean that the unicorn fit with Ware isnt very valuable in itself.

Acting like trading Ware to keep Wiggins is a benefit to Miami's defense and Durant's experience defending in Miami is wholly unfounded. It's an exercise in coming to terms with something that would make the whole Durant experience less worthwhile. Still worthwhile? TBD.

I agree. I don’t want Ware gone. It was just to discuss the possibility of it happening.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

I want Bam to lose 10-15 pounds to get some of that quickness downhill and laterally back if he’s going to be defending on the perimeter much more now. Wares the big now, treat him as such. Free Bam from those duties and let him thrive

[greg4012]

I want Bam to lose 10-15 pounds to get some of that quickness downhill and laterally back if he’s going to be defending on the perimeter much more now. Wares the big now, treat him as such. Free Bam from those duties and let him thrive

Having a real offseason should prove helpful

[MettaWorldPanda]

Draw line in the sand with no Ware. Tell Suns Jovic, JJJ, and draft Sorber or Beringer with the 20th pick. Still think those 3 young pieces for Durant is way more then enough unless Houston counters with 10th pick, Whitmore, and Eason with FVV’s expiring. That might be too rich for them. Spurs have Vassell, Barnes, and 14th pick.

[greg4012]

Heat’s best constructs with Bam had always involved switchable 4’s and wings. List to include Tucker, Crowder, Iguodala, Butler, DJJ, Strus, and maybe some others i might have missed but that’s not to say Ware can’t be the exception cause he can but still in question. The other construct has more data and two finals appearances behind it.

LOL at Strus mention.

Nothing about that is apples to apples. The "best constructs" all included Jimmy Butler--one of the best defensive playmakers in the modern NBA--on the court, as well. PLUS super high level defenders in Tucker and Crowder (both with strength to defend frontcourt) PLUS stints of size alongside Bam with Kelly O and Leonard. Wiggins is unequivocally NOT Jimmy Butler or PJ Tucker or Jae Crowder as a defender today. Maybe he has a lot more to offer than what we saw in his Miami stretch, but he didn't show it.

It's not about Ware being an exception. It's not like Miami had the option of pairing Bam with a fleet-footed 7-footer that can shoot 3s during that time. All you're doing is highlighting Bam's defensive versatility.

Miami's defense was improved THIS PAST SEASON with Ware paired with Bam compared to before Ware was in the mix. And that was as a rookie that didn't know what he was doing.

I've been one of the main advocates on this board at highlighting the importance of keeping Bam in rotation between PF and C minutes bc he provides so much advantage and versatility to Miami's defensive approach. That doesn't mean that the unicorn fit with Ware isnt very valuable in itself.

Acting like trading Ware to keep Wiggins is a benefit to Miami's defense and Durant's experience defending in Miami is wholly unfounded. It's an exercise in coming to terms with something that would make the whole Durant experience less worthwhile. Still worthwhile? TBD.

I agree. I don’t want Ware gone. It was just to discuss the possibility of it happening.

If Miami gives in on Ware, I'll definitely have more mixed feelings about it. But, of course that's a sliding scale bc if it means no draft capital sent and keeping Jovic at least there's some solace. It would lead me to thinking that at the end of the KD experiment it will have to be a full blown reset of the entire roster--trading away everyone and starting from nothing.

[greg4012]

Draw line in the sand with no Ware. Tell Suns Jovic, JJJ, and draft Sorber or Beringer with the 20th pick. Still think those 3 young pieces for Durant is way more then enough unless Houston counters with 10th pick, Whitmore, and Eason with FVV’s expiring. That might be too rich for them. Spurs have Vassell, Barnes, and 14th pick.

Basically where I am with it. If that's not enough, I'm OK with it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[batterybro42]

Tyler Herro is…….based??